Because they own it. And won't have to pay for other engines.
I would hope EA has a team at DICE looking at how they can get it to play nice with other genres.
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Kotaku: The Collapse Of Visceral's Ambitious Star Wars Game
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Because they own it. And won't have to pay for other engines.
I would hope EA has a team at DICE looking at how they can get it to play nice with other genres.
The unfortunate thing is a lot of AAA games now are kind of low effort or really safe.
I dont mean that there wasnt a lot of work put into them, there absolutely is, but they play it so close to the best that the end product isnt very interesting or good. Bethesda, IMO is one of the few big Western ConsolePublishers that makes interesting games anymore.
Shadow of War, for instance, is amazingly derivative of its sequel, which was derivative of Batman, and produced the highly derivative Mad Max. Its like these games are almost built out of building blocks or something, where you take the combat from A, the exploration from B, and the tower collectathon components from c, and then reskin to a new property. And a lot of of the budget goes to voice acting and motion capture.
IMO, a lot of games would be better off with less production values, and a lower cost but with more creativity.
WaterAstro
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They need a single player game as good as FIFA story mode. Lol
Papacheeks
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Well, I hate to be that guy but I kind of figured this was more of a internal issue on top EA changing the way they approach games.
It was set to fail, especially with 80 people, and a director that has a history of clashing.
It was set to fail, especially with 80 people, and a director that has a history of clashing.
The_White_Rose
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Very well written article. Hope they can salvage some of Hennig's work and script for the new game.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
And Cliff is insanely wrong! He's a dev and I'm not. But you can trust me because just look at the actual facts of so many single player games.
Croatoan
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Given how marvel is doing things I think this is a given.
Pie and Beans
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Hennigs done as a AAA director. Same exact problems that killed her version of Uncharted 4.
deadscreensky
Member
Great article.
There's so many enormous mistakes given that I'm unsure if you can really point to a single major factor, though it's tempting to try. Like the lack of manpower is an obvious massive issue, but at the same time the basic game fundamentals sound so absent that even tripling the staff might not have led to anything except more pretty doorway touching.
What I don't understand is how the psychological sabotage stuff and Shenmue AI schedules fits within an Uncharted-styled on-rails experience. Why bother messing around with the lights to piss an enemy off when you're inevitably going to shoot him in another minute anyway?
(Also those character names are terrible.)
I know everybody asked raves about the concept behind Ragtag, but honestly their initial pirate-themed idea sounds more interesting to me. Oh well.
There's so many enormous mistakes given that I'm unsure if you can really point to a single major factor, though it's tempting to try. Like the lack of manpower is an obvious massive issue, but at the same time the basic game fundamentals sound so absent that even tripling the staff might not have led to anything except more pretty doorway touching.
What I don't understand is how the psychological sabotage stuff and Shenmue AI schedules fits within an Uncharted-styled on-rails experience. Why bother messing around with the lights to piss an enemy off when you're inevitably going to shoot him in another minute anyway?
(Also those character names are terrible.)
I know everybody asked raves about the concept behind Ragtag, but honestly their initial pirate-themed idea sounds more interesting to me. Oh well.
Hmm, i guess you are right. Hahaha
I guess i had a different opinion since at the end even the workers there said it that EA wasn't to blame and gave them lots of freedom til the end, but EA surely is to blame for most of the situarion visceral was in at the end.
Freshmaker
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They would've liked that. Open world, opportunities for loot boxes...
Evil John Locke
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Yeah great read, much appreciated.
That's good, I wonder who we can expect to be making games for it then!
Ivory Samoan
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This move has really put me off EA.
....even more-so than the utter bungling of my favorite franchise, Mass Effect.
....even more-so than the utter bungling of my favorite franchise, Mass Effect.
Humdinger
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Sounds like a mess on both sides. Amy Hennig's direction was awful, just a copy & paste of Uncharted. EA's management was incompetent. The Frostbite engine sucked. Their business was located in San Francisco, one of the most expensive places to live in the US. It was dooomed.
Spacejaws
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Hiring Hennig to sell loot boxes or some other fast revenue scheme sounds like they hired her for her pedigree name alone but didnt actually consider the content shes like to create.
Like Konami putting Kojima on Pro Evolution Soccer and WTF! at all the mechs and female half naked teens with supernatural powers because burning desires of patriotism and memories of the club boss except shes still alive in the goalies left foot which is able to score goals from another dimension with a secret agenda against the president but also for the president.
Like Konami putting Kojima on Pro Evolution Soccer and WTF! at all the mechs and female half naked teens with supernatural powers because burning desires of patriotism and memories of the club boss except shes still alive in the goalies left foot which is able to score goals from another dimension with a secret agenda against the president but also for the president.
michaelius
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Sounds like typical EA scenario - they force team to do something that isn't their area of expertise. Then they get average product which makes EA hesistant to give them resources for their next project. When that next project get's in problem studio is closed.
Alter_Fridge
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OG Jedi Knight was the best of all of them
Chaos2Frozen
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I don't know why but it just occurred to me right now that EA is going to load up Anthem with micro-transactions and loot boxes up to their eyeballs.
...FUCK.
...FUCK.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Yeah. Shadow of War in Star Wars would also be awsome.
Doc Holliday
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Funny enough Unreal was created by a studio that only made FPS games
Ea Im sure was thinking, why pay Epic millions in royalties when they could theoretically use a an engine that has been used on bf3-4 and a great looking Star Wars game already in battlefront.
Its not like visceral wasnt used to working with internal engines, dead space was its own thing. AFAIK
Honome
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Totally agree. Also i think no one would care if the game was too much like Uncharted, like you're saying, if it had a good story in Star War world with Uncharted quality would be already amazing.
Again, fuck EA and their endless greed.
Adam Prime
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This is the best post I've read on NeoGAF in a long time, right here.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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It was a licensed game with Star Wars on the box. It would have sold well based on that alone. Throw in EAs marketing muscle and it would have been a top 10 seller for at least awhile. This is just EA chasing the online mega dollars.
lukeskymac
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"It's really not our fault" -EA Executive early in the article.
*One article read through later*
Yup, it's mostly EA's fault.
*One article read through later*
Yup, it's mostly EA's fault.
Humdinger
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But there also seemed to be a problem with the basic game design, based on the comment about how everything was like a copy & paste of Uncharted levels. I don't think we can blame EA for that one. That is the developer's responsibility. I don't know how much Hennig was involved in actual level design, but it's very strange that it resembled Uncharted levels so closely.
Alebrije
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Action Star Wars games are risky, more if you want to copy gameplay mechanics from Uncharted. Star Wars is more about the lore than action, In know somehow Battlefront is a successful franchise and is pure action but is a FPS. Think the approach to a third person SW games is like KOTOR. The lore is importan in SW universe, this combined with good action gameplay like Mass Effect should have beeb a better concept to Visersal.
EA do not hesitates once they money is gone , they just do not care about your past.
EA do not hesitates once they money is gone , they just do not care about your past.
johannesbergcrantz
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When I hear the game was too similar to uncharted I actually don't think I would've enjoyed it anyway, but who knows.
DangerMouse
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@Neil_Druckmann: False.
Nice. Playstation's been doing a great job on providing big (and also mid-budget) single-player games and their userbase is still big fans of them so they've been quite successful.
This. It sounds like she was basically making what I'd wanted her to make for their first cinematic single-player Star Wars game when hearing they'd hired her.
Something like KOTOR would have been great, but Uncharted was pretty good with weaving narrative and action together so I think Hennig could have injected plenty of lore into the more linear game and then if successful they could have widened the scope for a sequel.
Trogdor1123
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Well I can guarantee that star wars license isn't cheap... Got capitalize where they can
anothertech
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An uncharted style Star Wars game, and they fcking cancelled it cause it was too Uncharted?
Fuck them
Fuck them
10/10 post
ape2man
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its a free engine, and all advances made by a studio on that engine benefits the rest of the studios. Like ubisoft is doing
ape2man
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Thats a first, lol
Vigilant Walrus
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Dead Space was such a stellar breakout for them. It's a damn shame that both Dantes Inferno and Dead Space 3 fell so short.
Dantes Inferno is one of the biggest missed opportunities in recent memory. You had a terrific game concept; built on one of the best books ever made. The game had a fantastic art direction.
And yet, the game amounted to little more than an extremely tired and uninspired God of War Clone, all the way to fucking orbs-for-health-collection.
Nothing is original, but Dantes Inferno just didn't have a lot of good ideas on the gameplay side. Competently made. Strategically sound. Wonderful idea. There is no reason why that game should have failed other than the gameplay falling short. That game was fixeable. That game could have become a classic.
A total new breed of horror action adventure. A space that Dark Souls later took and ran with.
Dantes Inferno is one of the biggest missed opportunities in recent memory. You had a terrific game concept; built on one of the best books ever made. The game had a fantastic art direction.
And yet, the game amounted to little more than an extremely tired and uninspired God of War Clone, all the way to fucking orbs-for-health-collection.
Nothing is original, but Dantes Inferno just didn't have a lot of good ideas on the gameplay side. Competently made. Strategically sound. Wonderful idea. There is no reason why that game should have failed other than the gameplay falling short. That game was fixeable. That game could have become a classic.
A total new breed of horror action adventure. A space that Dark Souls later took and ran with.
Sosokrates
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I hope we get to see these demos and see if EA were right to shut them down.
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