DemonCleaner
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So we have a 30TF GPU now. Do you still think it's a good idea to launch a 4TF "NG"-console alongside in 2020?
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LisaMariaMartin
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that 30tf gpu costs 1500$. if you think its in any way comparable to a budget console for casuals there is no helping you.
loktaiextatus
Member
"Do you still".... Well I guess this is a question for a specific group but... I always thought that sounded like a pretty piss poor idea myself.
Just a budget grab that will either lead to people who buy it being confused why the Series X has exclusives- or the Series X never having
exclusives whos core game cant be done on a comparatively budget machine.
It all depends on execution... I just think it might lead to much bigger issues than simple resolution caps. But I can see how someone could
challenge that idea given the similar CPUs and assumption that the biggest RAM difference is going to be overcome by resolution / texture requirements only.
Just a budget grab that will either lead to people who buy it being confused why the Series X has exclusives- or the Series X never having
exclusives whos core game cant be done on a comparatively budget machine.
It all depends on execution... I just think it might lead to much bigger issues than simple resolution caps. But I can see how someone could
challenge that idea given the similar CPUs and assumption that the biggest RAM difference is going to be overcome by resolution / texture requirements only.
Ulysses 31
Member
I'd be surprised if no one makes a "With 30 TF GPUs, are PS5 and XSX already outdated?"...
DemonCleaner
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Bladed Thesis
Member
Wait, do TF matter now?
VincentMatts
Member
Its a card that costs about 1800$ tax in where i live. Thats like 3 XSX.
I think its fair to say that they arent after the same market of people. Console gaming is after the "mass market" and a lot of those people dont care about specs. Hence the switch.
I think its fair to say that they arent after the same market of people. Console gaming is after the "mass market" and a lot of those people dont care about specs. Hence the switch.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
Wouldn't matter. Just means that while Lockhart is doing 1440P 30, the 3080 will be doing 4K 60 comfortably with better effects.
Here's what to expect for Ampere vs Consoles.
The 3080 is 80% more performant than the 2080. The Series X has what is effectively a 2080 class GPU. This means that 4K 30 Series X and PS5 games will be 4K 60 on a 3080. Maybe with some room to spare for high settings. This is without DLSS.
I wouldn't be so down on console specs. You're getting a lesser gap compared to current gen. It'll be the same games, just 4K 60 on PC. If you want 4K 60 on consoles, you're better off checkerboarding.
Here's what to expect for Ampere vs Consoles.
The 3080 is 80% more performant than the 2080. The Series X has what is effectively a 2080 class GPU. This means that 4K 30 Series X and PS5 games will be 4K 60 on a 3080. Maybe with some room to spare for high settings. This is without DLSS.
I wouldn't be so down on console specs. You're getting a lesser gap compared to current gen. It'll be the same games, just 4K 60 on PC. If you want 4K 60 on consoles, you're better off checkerboarding.
loktaiextatus
Member
Maybe 15% dont but ... 250% might
Dr Bass
Member
Isn't the 3080 30TF and 699?
RockstarBeaver
Neo Member
Actually the 30tf GPU costs $699 and the 20tf GPU costs $499. Save your pennies console gamers and come aboard the PC train.
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existensmaximum
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Yeah, most games will be designed to take advantage of that whopping 30 terraflops, surely. And most people will think that the power advantage justifies the price.
Surely
Surely
gamerguywashere
Neophyte
jesus, at what point do flops just become pure consciousness
hold me
hold me
DemonCleaner
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
You need to factor in more variables like cost and feature sets and market research in order to make your analysis cogent.
By itself, "Do you still think it's a good idea to launch a 4TF console in 2020" is meaningless.
JordanN
Banned
If games run at 4K 60fps, then yes?Yeah, most games will be designed to take advantage of that whopping 30 terraflops, surely. And most people will think that the power advantage justifies the price.
Surely
Did people forget multiplats still exist?
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Thirty7ven
Banned
YES
These Nvidia GPUs will do wonders for visual fidelity/framerate, but they Will have 0 impact on which games are made or not.
These Nvidia GPUs will do wonders for visual fidelity/framerate, but they Will have 0 impact on which games are made or not.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Should they stop making Hyundai because there is Mercedes-Benz?
RockstarBeaver
Neo Member
If you can play a game at 4k/60FPS without compromise vs 4K checkerboard/30fps with compromise. Which would you pick to play?
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LittleBigGamer
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Either 30 or 100tf, the games will be designed for that 10TF beast
But again, yes. 4TF is a bad decision. Because there is a possibility to be successful(like every new product it has its chance) and devs begin to design for this thing. Burn it before it lays eggs.
But again, yes. 4TF is a bad decision. Because there is a possibility to be successful(like every new product it has its chance) and devs begin to design for this thing. Burn it before it lays eggs.
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LazyParrot
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I mean, if you're gonna see things like that, why buy consoles at all? Sure, a PS5 or XSX might have more than 4TF, but they're still a joke compared to these new cards, and they're not even out yet. Once next gen actually hits its stride 2-3 years from now there will be yet another new generation of Nvidia cards and AMD CPUs out, and the difference will be even greater.
DemonCleaner
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it's not just Nvidias GPUs. AMD will launch a 3080 competitor this year. with this rate of technological advancement, a 1/3rd of the power budget console will be a milestone around the neck very soon. and all of that for being dort cheap now instead of 1.5 years down the road.
it's a typical example of listening to marketing before engineering.
it's a mindboggling stupid idea.
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ZywyPL
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Yes, because 4TF @FHD is still about 60% more processing power per pixel than 10TF @4K, which many people don't care about and aren't planning to upgrade their current TV sets, not to mention if the console will cost half of the price of its bigger brother.
Sadly the upcoming consoles are yet again aiming mostly for 30FPS, while the rest of the world, be it smartphones, tablets, TVs, PCs etc. is slowly but surely advancing into 120Hz already, and that's where most of the power of Ampere GPUs will actually go.
Sadly the upcoming consoles are yet again aiming mostly for 30FPS, while the rest of the world, be it smartphones, tablets, TVs, PCs etc. is slowly but surely advancing into 120Hz already, and that's where most of the power of Ampere GPUs will actually go.
Radical Dreamer
Member
Actually nice comparison.
RockstarBeaver
Neo Member
That's a very valid point. When comparing straight gaming performance, these new Nvidia cards are already have a 2-3x better performance than the next gen-consoles (which aren't available yet). Sony and Microsoft better prices these consoles at $350-$400,to justify the performance. I wouldn't think about wasting my money if these consoles where $599, like the rumors suggest!
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DemonCleaner
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should they tether a Hyundai to every Ferrari?
Jtibh
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Todays games are designed with the lowest common denominator in mind.
You will never see games designed around a 30tf gpu as lets face it maybe 1 percent will have it for the next few years to come.
But you will see all games designed around consoles and then take advantage of the 30tf with 8k 120fps full on rt.
Pretty much continue what we see the last 8 years.
But then again with stadia .....who knows....everything is possible
You will never see games designed around a 30tf gpu as lets face it maybe 1 percent will have it for the next few years to come.
But you will see all games designed around consoles and then take advantage of the 30tf with 8k 120fps full on rt.
Pretty much continue what we see the last 8 years.
But then again with stadia .....who knows....everything is possible
I've already posted this on the RTX30xx thread, but I think it's also important here:
Ampere has essentially doubled the number of Cuda cores per SM, dramatically increasing the TeraFlops number.
But in the process, also dramatically decrease the "FPS per TeraFlop" or "TeraFlop efficiency".
While the RTX3080 has almost triple the Teraflops of the RTX2080, it is only about 80% faster.
This means Ampere Tflop <<< RDNA or Turing Tflop
Ampere has essentially doubled the number of Cuda cores per SM, dramatically increasing the TeraFlops number.
But in the process, also dramatically decrease the "FPS per TeraFlop" or "TeraFlop efficiency".
While the RTX3080 has almost triple the Teraflops of the RTX2080, it is only about 80% faster.
This means Ampere Tflop <<< RDNA or Turing Tflop
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
That sounds fun.
LittleBigGamer
Banned
No, we welcome you to the console race instead.
Dave_at_Home
Member
Using a 3090 as a comparison is pure overkill. That thing is meant to target PC gamers with nothing but cash to burn. The 1% of the 1%. 3080 on the other hand is a better comparison. Granted, there is this other company called Nintendo that would like a word with you.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I was at Target the other day and saw a bunch of people buying consoles. One was a guy buying up all the Switches to scalp them (nice work with that Target). The other was a woman buying a One S.
Honestly people don't care about power. We do, which is great, but the Series S is not designed to sell to this crowd.
Honestly people don't care about power. We do, which is great, but the Series S is not designed to sell to this crowd.
GymWolf
Member
Let's talk again when stuff like gta6 or witcher 4 is gonna come out in 3-5 years...it's gonna be a bloodbath on pc even with these gpus, now imagine the consolles who are 3x times worse in power...
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Jtibh
Banned
Price is alluring . Yet my brain is broken and just doesnt care for pc gaming.
Oh i have the money.
So thats not it.
I think very hard every day why i cant ger myself to be a better gamer with a better hardware.
Please help me understand
RockstarBeaver
Neo Member
Are you telling me that GTA6 and Witcher 4 won't run 4k/60fps on my PS5?
GHG
Gold Member
This is the unfortunate truth.
We are probably a decade at least away from games being designed around this kind of power.
I'd rather the current baseline was much higher than 4tf though.
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BattleScar
Member
Oh for the love of Christ.
I'm gonna go ahead and quote myself here.
Most of these vector units are going to be sitting idle, because its difficult to utilise all of them. Fucking hell.
I'm gonna go ahead and quote myself here.
Is this enough evidence to demonstrate that floating point performance does not directly translate to better gaming performance?
3080 has 3x the TF of the 2080, but is around 70% faster.
3080 has 2x the TF of the 2080 Ti, but is around 30% faster.
More FLOPS is not more betterer.
Ampere's poor scheduler must be crying trying to handle all of those Vector Units. No wonder they had to make up a brand new memory standard to feed this beast.
Most of these vector units are going to be sitting idle, because its difficult to utilise all of them. Fucking hell.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
Wider doesn't mean better. This is the proof.
