Bernd Lauert
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Spiderman 2? Coming 2024 or so.What's the next game that's going to push the SSD (other than shaving a second or two off loading times) now that the next year's worth of big hitters are multiplatform or cross gen?
Spiderman 2? Coming 2024 or so.What's the next game that's going to push the SSD (other than shaving a second or two off loading times) now that the next year's worth of big hitters are multiplatform or cross gen?
I'm pretty sure the majority of PlayStation users will be like this guy.
Most people will have access to YouTube. You don't need twitter or the forums to learn how to install one.
Anyways there are plenty of good guides out there even for those that don't really understand tech.
It's not like Sony is asking you to solder a new drive to the motherboard.
So you are expecting people to do their research, watch the video how to do it, buy the exact ssd with a heat sink, and plug in to their system.
If it was that easy, we would have flying cars by now.
Think of the steps I showed you, and tell me, how many people will follow that step. How many people will buy the correct ssd. And how many people, will buy the ssd with a heat sink.
You should know the answer to what we are talking.
If these guys passed these test, then there is no idiot in this world. And everyone is very smart.
So you are expecting people to do their research, watch the video how to do it, buy the exact ssd with a heat sink, and plug in to their system.
If it was that easy, we would have flying cars by now.
Think of the steps I showed you, and tell me, how many people will follow that step. How many people will buy the correct ssd. And how many people, will buy the ssd with a heat sink.
You should know the answer to what we are talking.
If these guys passed these test, then there is no idiot in this world. And everyone is very smart.
As a person with 500gb ps4, I will agree with you. I won't be doing too much games. Even my x1 is 1 tb and I dont have extra storage for it.Most people won't be installing a SSD. Neogaf is an outlier.
What's the average attach rate for a console during its life? Something like 10-15 games iirc.
Those people are just fine with the internal 1TB.
I guess In the end all this proves is that R&C needs less total stream speed than whatever the PS5 I/O can make from the 3.9GB/s drive when combined with oodle + kraken?
Its you who is overestimating these guys.Look now you're getting desperate comparing the installation of an NVME to developing flying cars.
What next you're going to say you need a PHD in Electrical Engineering to install an NVME?
You're clearing underestimating the capabilities of the majority of console owners. You seem to think almost everyone will have difficulty installing the NVME or choosing one from an approved list of drives. Heck pretty sure some drives are going to be sold in places where the PS5 is being sold and they will have some sort of indication of comparability.
Do you really find it that difficult?
Great, watch one quick tutorial on YouTube and there you go… c’mon.Its you who is overestimating these guys.
Not everyone is smart like you.
I am computer science guy, and I dont even know what pc gamers do. Nvme what ever is name is, was a nonexistent to me. Only when I watched usa tech, that this name got stuck to my brain.
How do you expect regular folks, who never saw these things, to know them?
You are expecting too much from them.
100% this.Most people won't be installing a SSD. Neogaf is an outlier.
What's the average attach rate for a console during its life? Something like 10-15 games iirc.
Those people are just fine with the internal 1TB.
Seriously?So you are expecting people to do their research, watch the video how to do it, buy the exact ssd with a heat sink, and plug in to their system.
If it was that easy, we would have flying cars by now.
Plugs into the back actually in its own port.Consoles are supposed to be easy, uniform, plug and play machines. It's crazy how they are expecting people to research read/write speeds for compatibility, and then take a screwdriver to their hardware, attach a heatsink etc. The convergence of PCs and consoles really is progressing fast. This seems like it was a bad design feature on Sony's part. Doesn't the XSX simply have a regular looking memory card that you just insert in the front of the console?
Its you who is overestimating these guys.
Not everyone is smart like you.
I am computer science guy, and I dont even know what pc gamers do. Nvme what ever is name is, was a nonexistent to me. Only when I watched usa tech, that this name got stuck to my brain.
How do you expect regular folks, who never saw these things, to know them?
You are expecting too much from them.
Great, watch one quick tutorial on YouTube and there you go… c’mon.
Sony copying the IKEA strategy was a mistake, it's been proven time and time again that people are scared of screwdrivers.Consoles are supposed to be easy, uniform, plug and play machines. It's crazy how they are expecting people to research read/write speeds for compatibility, and then take a screwdriver to their hardware, attach a heatsink etc. The convergence of PCs and consoles really is progressing fast. This seems like it was a bad design feature on Sony's part. Doesn't the XSX simply have a regular looking memory card that you just insert in the front of the console?
Lets agree to disagree.Nah you're just assuming that most people are so lazy that they won't look it up if they want to replace the drive.
At this point you're not even arguing about their intelligence.
The ones that don't look it up are simply not interested in upgrading the storage.
This ignore guy doesnt have a weak feelings to block people, unlike you. Compared to me, people mock you so badly here.When out of the entire forum you have a single guy on ignore but everyone responds to his utter nonsense in every thread.
There is difference between watching video and getting the correct product.Great, watch one quick tutorial on YouTube and there you go… c’mon.
Plugs into the back actually in its own port.
It wasnt all that long ago people were laughing at the idea these consoles would even have SSDs not arguing over speeds that quite honestly I am super grateful to even have on both PS5 and XSX
Sony copying the IKEA strategy was a mistake, it's been proven time and time again that people are scared of screwdrivers.
You.who made fake info?
ultra m.2 pcie gen3 x4SSDs have been so commonplace and inexpensive in PCs for so many years, that I think it would have been a surprise if the new consoles didn't have them.
Well, at least this sudden comfort with picking up a screwdriver, opening up your hardware, installing chips/drives means one less argument against building/upgrading your own PC among the usual console warriors. It's ok now that Sony does it...
Building a PC isn't all that hard, hardest part is putting the power button/LED/reset switch and shit in.SSDs have been so commonplace and inexpensive in PCs for so many years, that I think it would have been a surprise if the new consoles didn't have them.
Well, at least this sudden comfort with picking up a screwdriver, opening up your hardware, installing chips/drives means one less argument against building/upgrading your own PC among the usual console warriors. It's ok now that Sony does it...
What ASRock board do you have?ultra m.2 pcie gen3 x4
That is my expansion card. Currently there is this ssd
Western Digital 240GB WD Green Internal PC SSD Solid State Drive - SATA III 6 Gb/s, 2.5"/7mm, Up to 550 MB/s - WDS240G2G0A
Western Digital Blue WD10EZEX 1TB SATA Hard Disk
Those are my 2 pc storage. I am afraid of damaging them.
What SSD fits them?
Is Samsung one safe for it?
msi a320 m/ac motherboardBuilding a PC isn't all that hard, hardest part is putting the power button/LED/reset switch and shit in.
On the PS5 for the SSD you just pop the side off, unscrew 2 things, put the drive in, screw 2 things, pop the side back on.
What ASRock board do you have?
No fake info, again I quoted the article. You said the article was wrong so where is the proof it’s wrongYou.
Nope you claimed as fact something is not even in the article.No fake info, again I quoted the article. You said the article was wrong so where is the proof it’s wrong
- 1 x Ultra M.2 Socket, supports M Key type 2242/2260/2280 M.2 SATA3 6.0 Gb/s module and M.2 PCI Express module up to Gen3 x4 (32 Gb/s) (with Matisse, Picasso, Summit Ridge, Raven Ridge and Pinnacle Ridge) or Gen3 x2 (16 Gb/s) (with A-Series APU and Athlon series APU)*msi a320 m/ac motherboard
No fake info, again I quoted the article. You said the article was wrong so where is the proof it’s wrong
That’s why we tracked down an ADATA XPG Gammix S50 Lite, one of the slowest compatible PCIe Gen4 drives we could find at 3,900MB/s reads and 3,200MB/s writes, and stuck it into a PS5, along with another drive.
We are comparing a drive thats 3 -3.5 GB/s to the Sony 5.5gbs drive and we not seeing much difference
Don't forget that the PS5 will be on the market a long time. Within a year or two, most M2's (if not all) on the market will be PS5 compatible anyways.So you are expecting people to do their research, watch the video how to do it, buy the exact ssd with a heat sink, and plug in to their system.
If it was that easy, we would have flying cars by now.
Think of the steps I showed you, and tell me, how many people will follow that step. How many people will buy the correct ssd. And how many people, will buy the ssd with a heat sink.
You should know the answer to what we are talking.
If these guys passed these test, then there is no idiot in this world. And everyone is very smart.
Don't forget that the PS5 will be on the market a long time. Within a year or two, most M2's (if not all) on the market will be PS5 compatible anyways.
Correct. Even PCIe Gen5 drives are going to be compatible with PS5.Don't forget that the PS5 will be on the market a long time. Within a year or two, most M2's (if not all) on the market will be PS5 compatible anyways.
Correct. Even PCIe Gen5 drives are going to be compatible with PS5.
When you install an incompatible (Gen3) drive, you get this message:I never heard of this before.
Was this confirmed at some point?
If that is the case, then my worrisome was for nothing.Don't forget that the PS5 will be on the market a long time. Within a year or two, most M2's (if not all) on the market will be PS5 compatible anyways.
When you install an incompatible (Gen3) drive, you get this message:
...which seems to me like it'll be Gen5 compatible as well.
When you install an incompatible (Gen3) drive, you get this message:
...which seems to me like it'll be Gen5 compatible as well.
Yeah Gen 5 doesn't have a new interface or anything like that.
People will have to realize they'll get roughly half the advertised bandwidth though.. so a card advertising 11GB/second for PCIE 5 will just barely be minimum recommended spec for PS5.
I would say most people who own a PC or ps5 will find the idea of installing an nvme intimating and just not care enough to do it. I don't think it's too difficult for anyone. I just find people under estimate themselves or overestimate the ease of breaking something.Look now you're getting desperate comparing the installation of an NVME to developing flying cars.
What next you're going to say you need a PHD in Electrical Engineering to install an NVME?
You're clearing underestimating the capabilities of the majority of console owners. You seem to think almost everyone will have difficulty installing the NVME or choosing one from an approved list of drives. Heck pretty sure some drives are going to be sold in places where the PS5 is being sold and they will have some sort of indication of comparability.
Do you really find it that difficult?
See aboveGreat, watch one quick tutorial on YouTube and there you go… c’mon.
100% half the time I don't bother with anything beyond power switch. When I test builds I always just use a paper clip. It's easy but that doesn't mean most people are confident they could do it.Building a PC isn't all that hard, hardest part is putting the power button/LED/reset switch and shit in.
Yeah it''s not gonna make much sense I don't think.. Gen 5 should just drive down Gen 4 prices for a while.I don't see any point in getting s Gen5 card.
I would say most people who own a PC or ps5 will find the idea of installing an nvme intimating and just not care enough to do it. I don't think it's too difficult for anyone. I just find people under estimate themselves or overestimate the ease of breaking something.
Is that how it works on PCs? Never tried a Gen4 drive on a Gen3 motherboard.Yeah Gen 5 doesn't have a new interface or anything like that.
People will have to realize they'll get roughly half the advertised bandwidth though.. so a card advertising 11GB/second for PCIE 5 will just barely be minimum recommended spec for PS5.
Yeah it's how PCIe was designed from the start to generally be always both backwards and forwards compatabile.Is that how it works on PCs? Never tried a Gen4 drive on a Gen3 motherboard.
That is correct. It's not scary or complicated. Neither is building a PC, riding a motorcycle, mountain biking down a big rooty Hill, fixing a car, making delicious meals, baking, building a new kitchen, plumbing, Small engine repair, and many many many other things. These are all easy things that aren't scary or complicated, but most people think they lack the ability to do them.It doesn't look that scary from the videos that I've seen. I've seen people do a lot more complicated things when repairing these systems. Installing an NVME is nowhere near as scary as that.
That is correct. It's not scary or complicated. Neither is building a PC, riding a motorcycle, mountain biking down a big rooty Hill, fixing a car, making delicious meals, baking, building a new kitchen, plumbing, Small engine repair, and many many many other things. These are all easy things that aren't scary or complicated, but most people think they lack the ability to do them.
And before anyone says different, lots of the things I listed are no more complicated than installing an nvme in a ps5.
You're confusing the interface with the disk. Plugging a 4.0 disk into a 3.0 slot doesn't make the disk itself run at half speed. It simply becomes limited by the older slot's throughput which is ~3.5GB/s on 3.0 and ~7GB/s on 4.0.Yeah it's how PCIe was designed from the start to generally be always both backwards and forwards compatabile.
You can have 1-32 lanes, and the lanes differ in speed for the different versions.
Devices and slots then communicate how many lanes are available and operate w/ that number, limited by the speed of either the device or the interface/slot, whichever is lowest.
Things are always supposed to "work", but you will obviously not get the perf you'd expect whether talking an nVME drive or a GPU if you put a higher spec'd device in a lower spec'd slot.
That's your issue. I'm not trying to make it negative. I don't care about it in the slightest. I just know people well enough to know most will not install an nvme.A lot of those seem more complicated than just plugging in an NVME. I mean fixing a car can be as simple as inflating the tires or as complicated as building an engine.
I think your vastly overestimating the difficulty of replacing the drive just to make a negative point about it.
That's your issue. I'm not trying to make it negative. I don't care about it in the slightest. I just know people well enough to know most will not install an nvme.
You keep going to extremes as well. Most people don't change their own oil. In 99% of cars it's literally less steps then the nvme.