TIGERCOOL
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If you have an HDR monitor I recommend using Special K's HDR settings. You can fix just about everything wrong with the game's gamma and saturation without altering the developers intent too drastically.
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Starfield PC Performance Thread
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winjer
Member
Good CPU scaling. Time to upgrade CPUs.
It's clear that Bethesda is relying on gamers to upgrade their machines, instead of Bethesda doing some proper optimization. So they are shifting the cost into gamers.
There are several games on the market that look better, have much better AI and physics, than Scamfield but aren't as heavy as this.
peish
Member
Good CPU scaling. Time to upgrade CPUs.
disgusted my 7950x3d cannot do 60fps minimal, the constant loadings, bad hdr and poor fov.
what's it doing more than BG3 in engine level?
Xcell Miguel
Gold Member
The guy who made the DLSS Bridge mod (that gives better performance than the PureDark one according to some), has published his free version of the the DLSS 3 version, I can't try it right now :
www.nexusmods.com
Also, there is a new LUTs mod, with reduced color and better contrasts :
www.nexusmods.com
I'm using the 25% one for now, waiting for the 25% or 50% with better contrasts (for now only the 75% has better contrasts).
EDIT : and another LUT mod, 14% this time, I'll try it as the 25% do not have pure blacks for now :
Starfield Frame Generation - Replacing FSR2 with DLSS-G
Replaces the built-in version of FSR2 with DLSS3 + DLSS-G to enable Frame Generation.
www.nexusmods.com
Also, there is a new LUTs mod, with reduced color and better contrasts :
Reduced LUTs - Cleaner Colors and Enhanced Contrast
This mod reduces the strength of the game's built-in color filters and enhances contrast by modifying the various LUT textures. The goal is to provide clean and clear visuals that are true to va
www.nexusmods.com
I'm using the 25% one for now, waiting for the 25% or 50% with better contrasts (for now only the 75% has better contrasts).
EDIT : and another LUT mod, 14% this time, I'll try it as the 25% do not have pure blacks for now :
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Virex
Banned
If you can get a reservation at Dorsia I might tell you exactly how to do it.
P.S. Do you like Phil Collins?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Eh. This game is probably the only game that taxes my CPU beyond 50%. It is properly multithreaded. Each core and each thread is up there around 70-80% in stress test areas. My CPU was actually hitting 70 degrees at one point with over 120 watts of power usage. Not even cybperunk which is another good multithreaded game hits that high.
I see people rocking 9900ks with their $2000 4090s. Come on. you dont need to go get a $400 cpu like the 7800x3d. There are plenty of $200-300 CPUs on that list. i bought my CPU for just $250 down from $299 after packaging it up with a mobo. it is not a bottleneck in starfield.
IIRC, 9900k doesnt even have 2 threads per cores. its just 8 cores. AMD's zen 2 lineup just stinks. You can see why the xsx cant do 60 fps by looking at the 3600. we've seen similar things with Sony exclusives like spiderman where going from a 3600 to 13900k doubles the framerate on a 4090.
Xcell Miguel
Gold Member
Use the other mod, easier to install, better performance, and not made by a modder putting stuff behind a paywall and DRM.
Starfield FSR2 Bridge - Replacing FSR2 with DLSS or XeSS
Allows you to use DLSS or XeSS in place of the built-in FSR2 without ReShade.No Frame Generation support!
www.nexusmods.com
And if you have a 4000 series and want Frame Generation :
Starfield Frame Generation - Replacing FSR2 with DLSS-G
Replaces the built-in version of FSR2 with DLSS3 + DLSS-G to enable Frame Generation.
www.nexusmods.com
Buggy Loop
Member
Starfield Reportedly Had A Budget Of $200 Million And A 500-Member Dev Team
As per a credible industry person, Starfield had a budget of over $200 million, and a development team spanning 500 members.
exputer.com
I'm not posting nonsense, I'm saying that it performs worse than the fucking HOG that is the Star Citizen engine and that IS saying something.
There's nothing in what the Creation engine 2 is presenting that requires the hardware it does, outside of bad optimization if you want to go there, RPG nature with a dialogue tree like has been done since the dawn of cRPGs has nothing to do with that, especially since the NPCs outside of select fews are now dumb as fuck with script pool of replies compared to the NPCs with routines found in Skyrim.
Like i said, super instanced worlds, jpeg planets in space, dumb AI, somehow performs worse than a raw space physic simulator with solar systems modeled running on single threaded engine. Bravo Bethesda, bravo.
But apparently i can't describe the bit of shaming, as if i give a shit how you gatekeep critique to an engine that's clearly outdated/lacking for the task.
I have the game pre-ordered and with the xbox starfield theme controller ready to go tomorrow btw, i simply do not believe in tech excuses for such a slog of performance crawl on $3000 rigs in 2023 with APIs such as DX12 for multi-threading and the backing of a trillion dollar company that controls the fucking API. If the game is actually multi-threaded then it’s even a bigger of a mystery why it performs like it does. If this is excusable, then Microsoft has a fucking problem on the horizon for all their studios, too many engines, too many R&D costs to keep these shitcan running for little to no visual return.
JPEG images for planets in 2023 for that kind of budget, just stop a minute and let that sink in.
Even Lego Star Wars tried to do better than that
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winjer
Member
Optimization is not just about having several threads.
This game probably is trashing caches while un-deduplicated code.
Or it doesn't have proper culling systems, so it's rendering hidden geometry and pixels at a huge rate.
Buggy Loop
Member
Intel 11700K beating the AMD 5800X3D at 1080p on some AMD sponsored title
An 11700k beating the 5800X3D
Wait
Triple check, yup
11700k beating the 5800X3D
GG Bethesda
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Blame it on AMD. I have been saying this for a while, but the AMD Zen 2 and Zen 3 CPUs were only beating out these intel CPUs in last gen games. As soon as we started seeing current gen games come out favoring higher clocked CPUs, these AMD CPUs with their low wattage some with 65 watt caps struggled to keep up.Intel 11700K beating the AMD 5800X3D at 1080p on some AMD sponsored title
An 11700k beating the 5800X3D
Wait
Triple check, yup
11700k beating the 5800X3D
GG Bethesda
That 11700k gave me a lot of headache early on. It was too hot. It was consuming something crazy like 128 watts in cyberpunk on lower resolutions. All youtubers were like its trash. Microcenter was selling it for a $50-100 discount compared to the AMD equivalent. I think it was their 3700x iirc. But time has proven everyone wrong. it doesnt matter how hot something is or how much wattage it takes, the performance is king.
well, we dont know whats under the hood so i can only look at what i see, and what i see is better multithreading than just about any other game on the market.
the game is only cpu bound in big cities with lots of NPCs. only comparable game is mass effect andromeda and it doesnt have cities nearly as big or as many NPCs. something like gta, spiderman and cyberpunk dont count because those are basically open world games. this is a different kind of city.
winjer
Member
What we know is that there is nothing special about what this game is rendering. Neither detail, geometry, complex AI, physics, etc.
This is purely badly optimization, as usual from Bethesda and their shit engine.
Bojji
Member
Intel 11700K beating the AMD 5800X3D at 1080p on some AMD sponsored title
An 11700k beating the 5800X3D
Wait
Triple check, yup
11700k beating the 5800X3D
GG Bethesda
In theory newer engines should favor higher core counts, not just higher clocks.
Problem is, this engine is old as fuck and favors Intel architecture heavily.
6 core CPUs are the same as 8, 12, 16 core CPUs here so multithreading is quite fucking poor. 13900k is much faster than lower models thanks to higher clock and more cache, not more cores.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I dont know if I agree. There are some stunning looking interiors. There is a great lighting system here. At least indoors. I concede it looks like shit in the open world planets. Every single object in the indoor areas is emaculately modeled. While the open world might not have lots of geometry, i can see why the GPU hit indoors is so massive. This game's interiors remind me of the order where everything feels like its own object and not just a painted on texture.
The NPC count is massive compared to other similar RPGs. And a huge upgrade over Fallout 4 and skyrim. Looking at last gen RPGs like outer worlds and andromeda and its clear that there is a massive leap in NPC count. I was in that neon city yesterday and there were so many NPCs there that I couldnt get around them in alleys and stairs. I can definitely see why they have such high CPU requirements.
Where I will agree is that they need to ditch this engine but not because of the visuals or cpu issues, but the loading and lack of proper streaming. The game has way too many loading screens that break immersion. I dont want to land on a planet from the orbit but i should be able to go inside a ship or a building or in between city zones without fucking loading in 2023. my fucking ssd is so fast it loads most of these levels in a second. so why am i seeing this? just implement a better fucking streaming system.
Buggy Loop
Member
Are those "current gen" games in the room with us? Which ones? Especially which ones are even that much of an outlier as Starfield. I'm not talking about a 13900k just having an hair above AMD in performances for 100W more, i'm talking about multiple gens behind beating AMD's bests.
Again, time has proven everyone wrong, based on what titles.
How would the open world games not compare? They're even more complex systems with massive cities.
Denton
Member
Three things about that video are masterpieces:
- the soundtrack
- the art
- the tech
Now, I just hope I will get to play a singleplayer storydriven game that actually utilizes these, preferably before I die of old age.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Of course, the 9900K has 2 threads per core. It's an i9. You're thinking of the 9600 and 9700K which is when intel dropped hyperthreading from even their i7 models like a bad habit. Hell, i9 didn't even exist until the 9900K if I remember. It was i7, i5, and i3 and i5 and above had hyperthreading before intel unceremoniously removed it.
winjer
Member
Indoor are GPU bound zones.
Outdoor areas are where the CPu bound scenarios are more evident and they look rather average, compared to other open world games.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Are those "current gen" games in the room with us? Which ones? Especially which ones are even that much of an outlier as Starfield. I'm not talking about a 13900k just having an hair above AMD in performances for 100W more, i'm talking about multiple gens behind beating AMD's bests.
Again, time has proven everyone wrong, based on what titles.
Matrix, Star Wars, Spiderman, Gotham Knights, Witcher 3 RT edition, UE5 titles, most games with ray tracing that hit the CPU just as hard as GPUs, all favor intel CPUs. And not just because their engines favor intel CPUs, its because they have higher clocks and more wattage to push the CPUs. AMD was winning on low tdp and lower cooling requirements but now not so much.
Because something like Spiderman does not have any of the underlying CPU heavy systems a massive RPG like Starfield, Skyrim or Fallout 4 is running constantly behind the scenes. Everyone brings up sandwiches but Bethesda RPGs are doing more than just tracking your inventory. Insmoniac doesnt have to worry about anyone of that when rendering all those NPCs. Thus lower the CPU requirements. Same goes for virtually every open world game last gen including RDR2, Watch Dogs, and Mafia.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I stand corrected.
There are two types of outdoor areas though. Atlantis, Neon City and Akala City are all outdoors but they are CPU bound because of all the NPCs. Indoor areas where most of the combat takes place are indeed GPU bound because of the lack of NPCs.
Once you step out into the real open world, the CPU usage drops significantly.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
similar to skyrim special edition , starfield will get a an enhanced release in a few years
R6Rider
Gold Member
Todd can just release a new version every year and name it by picking a planet name in the game.
twilo99
Member
That design choice is really hurting the consoles but I don’t think they could’ve done any better at that price point..
Bethesda have done a good job getting the game to run on xss considering how heavy it seems to be on PC hardware.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yeah, it is what it is. $500 can only buy you so much.
I just hope for mid gen refreshes they dont skimp out on the CPU like they last gen. target $600 if you have to.
T4keD0wN
Member
After playing for a few hours the game has suddenly started to stutter.
I have found out that the game apparently stutters when switching between epic/legendary weapons for some reason. I now have to only use common weapons if i want the game to remain playable. Great optimization.
I have found out that the game apparently stutters when switching between epic/legendary weapons for some reason. I now have to only use common weapons if i want the game to remain playable. Great optimization.
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Kakax11
Banned
winjer
Member
No. It's just Bethesda, sheer incompetence and their decade old engine, screwing up. Again.
Even Astyanax says this one is on Bethesda. Not on AMD. And you know how much of an nvidia fanboy he is.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Found a very interesting discovery --
For PC players w/ AMD hardware, in graphics settings, turn on FSR 2 but keep the render resolution scale to 100%. When FSR 2.2 is enabled at 100% render scale, the game is running at native resolution without an upscaling component similarly to NVIDIA's Deep Learning Anti-Aliasing and produces a significantly sharper picture than native 4k w/ TAA applied.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/starfield-fsr-2-2/
Works for nVidia GPUs as well of course, but I thought AMD players would find this the most interesting.
For PC players w/ AMD hardware, in graphics settings, turn on FSR 2 but keep the render resolution scale to 100%. When FSR 2.2 is enabled at 100% render scale, the game is running at native resolution without an upscaling component similarly to NVIDIA's Deep Learning Anti-Aliasing and produces a significantly sharper picture than native 4k w/ TAA applied.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/starfield-fsr-2-2/
Works for nVidia GPUs as well of course, but I thought AMD players would find this the most interesting.
Xcell Miguel
Gold Member
From the Windows Store ?Ladies and gentlemen:
Clicked on the game- 116GB update. Lol come on…
It's not an update, it's just decrypting files, just like Steam does, it's just badly worded.
twilo99
Member
Same with the gamepass version which uses the Xbox app on PC, it looks like an update, but it’s just unpacking.
MikeM
Member
Thats the version i’m playing (GP). Starting area in in the 80-95fps mark on a 5600. Not bad so far… awaiting the upcoming CPU beatings.
Ovech-King
Gold Member
About cpu , good thing i just grabbed a steal on i9 12th gen laptop 
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
If it's a concern, try DLSS or FSR 2.2
not really a concern, just leaving the info here in case someone with a similar setup is looking into the thread. According to Gamers Nexus AMD drivers are more mature for this game so there is still performance to be gained in future drivers. Overall i am pleased. Not a stellar game from the optimization side. But definetly not broken like most of the ports we have been getting lately.
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twilo99
Member
I got fooled with the opening level/area as well.. you will be brought down to reality soon enough lol
Ovech-King
Gold Member
Here’s my recommandations for 4k if you have a similar laptop than mine;
I9 12900hx 16C / 24T
4080 mobile
Running on my living room 4k tv
- I use the hardware unboxed (youtube) performance settings recommandation
- I use the medium resolution scale so 62%
- I’ve put sharpness to max
I have 60 fps or + everywhere except of course in new atlantis where it dips below but its not where youll be most of the time . Solution to stay mostly over 60 fps over there too would be resolution scale 50% instead but the clarity of the image is not as clean as 62% IMO so i stick with 62.
Otherwise very nice clean graphics; some people may complain that dlss might be better but i think it does a wonderful job on this particular game . One thing though; OMG the french lip sync is so off sync on some parts of sentences haha
I9 12900hx 16C / 24T
4080 mobile
Running on my living room 4k tv
- I use the hardware unboxed (youtube) performance settings recommandation
- I use the medium resolution scale so 62%
- I’ve put sharpness to max
I have 60 fps or + everywhere except of course in new atlantis where it dips below but its not where youll be most of the time . Solution to stay mostly over 60 fps over there too would be resolution scale 50% instead but the clarity of the image is not as clean as 62% IMO so i stick with 62.
Otherwise very nice clean graphics; some people may complain that dlss might be better but i think it does a wonderful job on this particular game . One thing though; OMG the french lip sync is so off sync on some parts of sentences haha
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Alright, whats the best DLSS mod to use? i downloaded the Pure Dark mod hack that was posted here earlier today but i dont have a 40 series card so I am good with any DLSS 2 mods.
Also, i dont want to use the Neutral lighting mod, but whats the best HDR mod?
Also, i dont want to use the Neutral lighting mod, but whats the best HDR mod?
DLSS mod (both) gave me some weird glitch(when switch from menu to game) so I switch back to FSR , I had to say this game has to be the best Fsr implement I saw.
Outsite of some shimmering ,the game have minimal ghosting ,minimal broken grainy moving object that we usually see in FSR 2 (fuck you jedi survivor) .
DLSS mod complete remove the shimmering though (even the shimmering native resolution have ) .
Outsite of some shimmering ,the game have minimal ghosting ,minimal broken grainy moving object that we usually see in FSR 2 (fuck you jedi survivor) .
DLSS mod complete remove the shimmering though (even the shimmering native resolution have ) .
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Rendered Tangent
Banned
Dorsia?
Nobody, goes there anymore.
By the way, next time you are at Tex-Aracana try the pork loin with lime jello... it's to die for.
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