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Forza Motorsport (XSX) vs Gran Turismo 7 (PS5) Graphics Comparison (Up: Video in OP replaced as IGN one was not fit for purpose)
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Mr Moose
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Colt Eastwood, the Snoy bot.
demigod
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I see
adamsapple
working overtime.
adamsapple
working overtime.
Bumblebeetuna
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Ok so there is RT during gameplay AND it’s 60fps AND it has amazing rain effects without looking like someone smeared grease all over the screen like #Driveclub? Turn10 are apparently wizards. Just gotta hope now that the AI is any good.
Flutta
Banned
If you read what i wrote i was speaking about the pictures you posted. You are all over the place ma man.
I'm not sure what Forza is representing here as it looks like it's about to rain and GT looks like it's halfway through the storm. It's like the headlights are not necessary to use yet in Forza and it's not being used in GT.
Bumblebeetuna
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What time do the planes for NZ depart? Noon?
Insane Metal
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I mean, it's not native 4K with RT. But whatever. It looks great
alphachino
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and one of these is also a Series S game, and we all know the effect that has on games on the green side.
Gamer_By_Proxy
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Looks like Forza has more off track details like the buildings, people, cars in the background, etc. But it looks washed out and has no VR mode.
I'm all in on GT7 in VR with a wheel/pedal setup so Forza doesn't really come into the equation to begin with imo.
I'm all in on GT7 in VR with a wheel/pedal setup so Forza doesn't really come into the equation to begin with imo.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Really disappointed by some of my PS bros in this thread. Especially demigod and flutta. LOL reactions. Memes. i thought the median age on this forum was 33??
Forza's lighting is a clear leap over the harsh bright gamish lighting on the GT7 track. Other comparisons might tell a different story but i watched the first half of the video and its insane that this is even being debated. The light bounce on the track and trees alone is leagues ahead of the flat and dull light bounce in GT7. The washed out look is a personal preference but the technical leap is clearly there for everyone to see. And this is with ray tracing on track which you dont even get on GT7. Honestly what are we doing here?
At least insane metal is engaging in actual discussion. really disappointed right now because im being forced to agree with adamsapple of all people lmao. You go adam, your comparisons are on point and forza clearly looks better. you have my axe.
Forza's lighting is a clear leap over the harsh bright gamish lighting on the GT7 track. Other comparisons might tell a different story but i watched the first half of the video and its insane that this is even being debated. The light bounce on the track and trees alone is leagues ahead of the flat and dull light bounce in GT7. The washed out look is a personal preference but the technical leap is clearly there for everyone to see. And this is with ray tracing on track which you dont even get on GT7. Honestly what are we doing here?
At least insane metal is engaging in actual discussion. really disappointed right now because im being forced to agree with adamsapple of all people lmao. You go adam, your comparisons are on point and forza clearly looks better. you have my axe.
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MonkeyClaw36
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Truth hurts, eh Sony shill?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
GHG
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We PC now!
Wecome to the promised land lads.
Does this mean we can start comparing it to ACC and modded Assetto Corsa then? Because I'm not sure people are ready for that discussion.
midnightAI
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Can we add an extra option in the Poll of 'Dont Care'?
Two different games running on two different consoles made by two different developers using two different engines, comparison is dumb, enjoy respective games on respective consoles, its the only way to stop sites like IGN stoking some imaginary war (and DF will then pour fuel on it also of course).
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Connxtion
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Contrast is way to high, but colours pop and that’s normally what people like as it give the illusion of it being better. When in fact in reality sunlight mutes colours depending on direction & how bright it is. (Overcast etc…)
We had this back and forth when driveclub came out & now we repeat ourselves
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The haziness could be an artistic decision like starfield's hazy areas. People disabled it on pc immediately but since then have come to realize that disabling it changes the overall look for the game, and not always for the better. We have now had 6 different lighting preset mods in starfield because people cant make up their minds. i stuck with the original and dont regret it.
I cant say for sure if thats the creative intent, but i see that haze in night time races too. It adds volumetrics or simulates volumetrics. Gives it a thick atmospheric feel. I bet in a month or two, they remove this haze and people complain that it looks worse.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
To be fair, that weird grey haze really fucks up the presentation of Forza.
graywolf323
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exactly as
HeisenbergFX4
told us it would happen, PC is Xbox’s pro console & the usual suspects are starting to push it as suchI mean Destin is basically exactly the narrative I bet we’re going to start seeing more & more - “sure the PS5 (Pro) might look better than Xbox but PC looks best!”
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GHG
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adamsapple
since you're now going to be utilising PC material and footage in your future endeavors, here's your new avatar, complete with black leather jacket:
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nosoynadie22
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GT7 has a 4K 90~fps mode I wonder how good a GT8 would look if they aimed for 1440p and 60fps
Insane Metal
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I think the bright, harsh light in GT7 is exactly what makes it look more realistic compared to the gamey light in Forza, which has always been the same, now just using different tech. At times GT7 looks photorealistic while playing, and I've said this before. Yes, FM is has more technical edge and that's not debatable, but I do think GT7 looks and feels much more real to my eyes.
Moreover the materials and car paint in GT look/feel like metal whereas in Forza it still has that plasticky look and feel the series has always had.
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Markio128
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GT7 too colourful and contrasty for you? Turn the colour and contrast down.GT looks like you’re viewing the world through Polaroid glasses
Contrast is way to high, but colours pop and that’s normally what people like as it give the illusion of it being better. When in fact in reality sunlight mutes colours depending on direction & how bright it is. (Overcast etc…)
We had this back and forth when driveclub came out & now we repeat ourselves
Neo_game
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Forza is clearly using some filter, even on bright day there is a haze filter or something. The colors are all messed up. I do not like the artisitic look and it is nice to see some Xbox fanboys are also not impressed. I rather prefer realistic look on racing sims. GT7 which is basically slightly improved GTS is still better in many situation is unbelievable. IMO Horizon are better devs than T10 now.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
All the pictures I've posted are from video(s) with Series X running in Performance RT mode.
Sources:
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Freelance Yakuza
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In Forza, the colors seem the same when you’re depressed, but in GT7, they seem the same when you’ve just had an orgasm.
Windom Earle
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lmao nothing has changed. GT still looks way better but sounds like complete garbage.
Gambit2483
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Idk, I like my games not washed out looking...
Zuzu
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I do hope that if the PS5 Pro comes out that Polyphony Digital will release a ray-tracing update for GT7 that will add a mode with ray-tracing during gameplay. At least for reflections and maybe some ambient occlusion like Forza. I would love it for global illumination as well but maybe not even the PS5 Pro would be able to pull that off.
GT looks like you’re viewing the world through Polaroid glasses
Contrast is way to high, but colours pop and that’s normally what people like as it give the illusion of it being better. When in fact in reality sunlight mutes colours depending on direction & how bright it is. (Overcast etc…)
We had this back and forth when driveclub came out & now we repeat ourselves
It may be realistic to the naked eye but I think we're used to seeing things through a colour corrected process on TV. For example this broadcast from the last F1 race on a bright day shows plenty of saturated colour and nobody thinks it looks unrealistic when watching it.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I am looking exclusively at the mid day footage in the OP, and GT7 is just too bright and lacks proper light bounce. Look at the track and how it feels like a cardboard cutout. Same with trees. Its like there is no light bounce on the trees or even the cars. they look flat in comparison even if they have better materials.
I played GT sports for hours so i know how well it can look under the right lighting conditions. Especially cloudy and especially at night with bright lights. The nascar level is insane. So other comparisons with forza might tell a difference story.
Bumblebeetuna
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Didn’t watch the second video but that first video makes GT7 look extremely flat and dull. Also sounds like doodoo and I see bumper car physics is still a thing in GT. It used to be my favorite gaming franchise but I haven’t dived deep into GT since the PS2 days. Guess I haven’t been missing much.
Insane Metal
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Can't say I agree at all. It looks and feels just right to me.
And in many occasions it just looks right, like in overcast days in Tokyo or dawn in the desert. It looks superb, because it looks right.
Cloudy/rainy/dark weather looks just like that, dull. It's why it looks better.
Sound wise GT has a lot to improve. The M3 sounds stellar though.
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Connxtion
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Nail on the head.
I personally would like a mix of GT7s over contrast look and Forzas muted look.
Not sure you can change contrast etc… in Forza settings. Not had a chance to check it out yet.
Markio128
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Would a wet track really have that level of reflection? Aren’t track surfaces designed to not reflect like that? You can see on GT7 footage that there is plenty of reflections outside of the track.
I could be wrong, but It just looks overdone to me.
onnextflix5
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Xbox fans now saying series s is holding back next gen, never thought I would see that
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I think when GT8 comes out with a way better lighting model, and they do side by side comparisons, you will see what Im referring to. What im seeing here is basically what i saw when John did the Forza 7 vs Forza 8 comparisons earlier this year. Just a stark difference in light bounce.
Expect similar comparisons popping up when GT8 comes out.
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Flutta
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What you on about Snake? is this your first time being on NeoGaf? LOL and Memes is the bread and butter of this place old man..
Regarding Forza and the pictures Adam posted that i replied to didn't make Forza look better then GT7 and it's his own fault for posting those cartoony looking pictures not mine. Also get down from your high horse and take that axe of yours and shove it somewhere. I kid i Kid
MDSLKTR
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Cuck Norwood VI
Forza and GT have always historically been like this.
Forza was always aiming for more technically advanced rendering options, and as a result they would be using pretty impressive technology whenever they released at the expense of framerate (for example, Forza 1 on Xbox was using much higher quality lighting and actual shaders compared to Gran Turismo 3/4, but ran at 30fps instead of GT's 60fps), but Gran Turismo always beat Forza at actual art direction. Forza 1 looks pretty dated and not all that amazing now, because the technology advanced so rapidly. GT3/4 ends up looking more realisitic because of art design choices that stood the test of time.
For comparison:
Its always been like this, GT ends up aging better because of things like more subdued color pallets and focusing on how the car interacts with the lighting of the tracks, etc.
Connxtion
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Depends on how much water is on the track. The above video the weather is different even though it’s raining.
Forza has way more water on track than GT7.
If the water is higher than the pitted road it will be like a mirror.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
memes are fine. its just that adamsapple is taking the time to post actual comparisons and getting mass LOL reactions from team sony (i counted 8 on that one post) which is not a good look for us lmaoWhat you on about Snake? is this your first time being on NeoGaf? LOL and Memes is the bread and butter of this place old man..
Regarding Forza and the pictures Adam posted that i replied to didn't make Forza look better then GT7 and it's his own fault for posting those cartoony looking pictures not mine. Also get down from your high horse and take that axe of yours and shove it somewhere. I kid i Kid
we need to post memes in the PC performance thread which is not great at all. especially after the redfall and starfield fiascos. not a good look for ms first party.
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DryvBy
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My brother is a big Xbox fan and after trying GT7 in VR has said the same thing that Xbox should be focusing on VR. They have a great library for it too especially right now. Flight Sim in VR?
Flutta
Banned
Dude was using PC footage???
DenchDeckard
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systemr123
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Forza in this image looks like a plastic toy Mattel hot wheels game lol.The reflections etc are objectively better, the lighting is dynamic and is doing much more on the Forza end. GT looks great too, but Motorsport looks better here, GT probably has some advantages like better details in AI cars but we'll find out more with DF style comparisons later on.
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