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NPD December 2011 Sales Results [Up5: Star Wars: The Old Republic Sales]
- Thread starter EviLore
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Yeah, a bit dramatic - lol. More so, stagnant, in my eyes. Stagnant in the sense that we're still playing on 5 - 6 + year old hardware and we need to move to the next level. That's what I meant.
Oh ok well I can see your point there. =) Still I think waiting for 2013 for better tech is worth putting up with today's consoles.
nextgeneration
Member
Very true. All the industry experts will say next gen begins when ps4 and 720 are launched. In Sony's case, they'll say next gen starts when they bring out ps4.
wii needs to go down to $100 if nintendo wants it around next christmas. other consoles need to drop in price too. this generation will have dragged on too long if we get to 2013 and microsoft and sony are just then launching their new consoles (although to be fair, it'd be about as long as the last).
hopefully the vita helps pick things up a bit in the states. wouldn't take much to improve the psp's current numbers, i'm sure.
hopefully the vita helps pick things up a bit in the states. wouldn't take much to improve the psp's current numbers, i'm sure.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
It's too soon to be calling for a 360 price cut IMO.
- 2011 was 360's best year ever for US sales, topping 2010 when they launched the Slim and Kinect.
- The last quarter was 360's best quarter ever for US sales and worldwide shipments.
- This was 360's second best December ever in the US.
All of this in the year the Wii and PS3 both had price cuts.
They may not do quite as well in 2012, but it probably won't be bad enough to require slashing the 360's price early in the year.
- 2011 was 360's best year ever for US sales, topping 2010 when they launched the Slim and Kinect.
- The last quarter was 360's best quarter ever for US sales and worldwide shipments.
- This was 360's second best December ever in the US.
All of this in the year the Wii and PS3 both had price cuts.
They may not do quite as well in 2012, but it probably won't be bad enough to require slashing the 360's price early in the year.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Not this discussion again.
Yup, that's bullshit.
bigtroyjon
Member
Like anything else dealing with MS and 360 financial performance, it's not exact and takes a bit of tea leaf reading.
Facts in the last reported quarter(Jul-Sep, these are worldwide trends, not just USA)
360 hardware revenue was down (shipments were down by 500k)
360 retail software was down
Live revenue was up.
Costs went up due to 3rd party royalty payouts on Live
Total revenue for the entire xbox 360 platform was up $114 million.
My assumption is that live software sales had to be a major factor in Live growth based on the how much the overall platform's revenue increased despite a 50-75 million drop in hardware revenue alone.
Sammy Samusu
Member
i think it's a good time. you don't want to let the momentum die. they'll probably do it around e3 if they drop the price.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Wii U isn't next gen.
OMG IT'S 2006.
OMG IT'S 2006.
06nbarnhill
Member
The three consoles are all about where I thought they would be. Xbox ever so slightly below.
It seems my math in the other thread would be correct:
That would place Mario Kart at ~1 million to match the rest of Nintendo's press release.
creamsugar
Member
Even better than the first month in Japan (~12/25)
I am having trouble getting to 6.3 million without NDS doing crazy good, or something. My shot in the dark:
Xbox 360 = 1700K
PS3 = 930K
Wii = 1060K
3DS = 1600K (or more)
NDS = 500K (has to be over 440K or so)
PSP = 190K (has to be less than 200K or so)
PS2 = 20K (can't be much)
That's only 6 million.
Xbox 360 = 1700K
PS3 = 930K
Wii = 1060K
3DS = 1600K (or more)
NDS = 500K (has to be over 440K or so)
PSP = 190K (has to be less than 200K or so)
PS2 = 20K (can't be much)
That's only 6 million.
I'm watching TV with the wife, so perfectly possible I missed something.
TheLastCandle
Member
We'd better get used to it, it's only going to get worse.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
Perhaps I'm out of touch these days but why is everyone saying it's disastrous that the 360 sold 1.7million?, that sounds like a high number to me, or is it just because that it's down YoY?
InsaneZero
Member
Goddamn.
jamesinclair
Banned
Dear Nintendo:
People buy your console if you have game for them.
2011 sucked for Wii games.
2012 looks to be worse.
Is it really that hard?
Was it really not possible to shit out a Pikmin, an Fzero, a Pokemon Stadium, a Wario game and an eternal darkness sequel?
People buy your console if you have game for them.
2011 sucked for Wii games.
2012 looks to be worse.
Is it really that hard?
Was it really not possible to shit out a Pikmin, an Fzero, a Pokemon Stadium, a Wario game and an eternal darkness sequel?
GarthVaderUK
Banned
You don't want momentum to completely die, no, but you don't want to throw revenue away with unnecessary price cuts when your console is already selling very well and at a time of year when you probably won't see a huge increase in sales following the cut.
After E3 would be more sensible than right away, at least that's around half a year away. Sometime in the second half of the year would be good, I reckon.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I can't tell if you're mocking the system, which we know next to nothing about, or the people who were saying the same thing about the Wii.
Either way, it's a discussion for another thread.
MatthewB92
Member
Pikmin was moved too WiiU so the Wii is done now. Other then xenoblade nothing that big is coming. Just have to wait for WiiU at this time.
People said the same thing about 360 until PS3 real world performance started to roll in. First-to-market curse. They'll learn.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
With the Wii U coming, it seems clear that all resources are working on titles for that system's launch. They're effectively killing off Wii.
Yep, I'm down with it. Just not what we were expecting after the Nintendo PR a week or so ago.
timetokill
Banned
Well, they've been working on 3DS games too.
People seem to forget that Nintendo puts their A teams on handheld games as well as console games.
bigtroyjon
Member
It only sold as well as it did due to 33% off Black Friday price cut and gift card deals throughout December. Nov+Dec might have been down yoy without all the price promotion, good sign a price cut might be needed to not have units sit on shelves for the next 6 months.
Edit- Surprising myself with how I've gone from being incredibly bullish on the 360's outlook in 2012 to all of a sudden being bearish.
I guess it all depends on how they do compared to the competition, still MS is in a odd spot with dropping their prices. Do they drop $100 all at once and hope that wave lasts the whole year, or do they drop $50 earlier in the year and $50 again later in the year? Dropping twice in the same year can be seen as a negative so I'm doubtful they'll do that unless sales really suffer.
How much each SKU will drop will also be interesting since the gap has always dictated HDD pricing as well. If they drop both the 4GB and 250GB by $50, nothing will change, but a $50 price drop after 3 years isn't enough IMO.
Cool, thanks. I understand most of that list well enough, but what is the 3rd party royalty payouts referring to?
Syphon Filter
Member
wow poor numbers especially for ps3 considering they had a price cut.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
True, but I wasn't considering handheld production. They supported Wii and DS at the same time so I just assumed 3DS production along with Wii U was a given. I doubt 3DS has taken resources away.
Retail its a given: 360, PS3, PC. Percentages unknown.
Including Digital we dont know at all. It was the best selling steam game in history or something like that.
creamsugar
Member
And the 1st standalone sku game of this month is JD3 wii.
Wii version - 360 version = 2M.
Wii version - 360 version = 2M.
crimzonflame
Member
PS3 is officially dead.
Nah, thinking about it, the best time to bail out on this gen would've been about, say, two months ago?
snoopeasystreet
Member
I'd assume 360 > PC = PS3. The game sold a lot on PC.
It seemed a lot of that was on Steam though.
Just Dance's success just makes me laugh every time I see it.