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[Gui_PT]

I refuse to! With the money and time they had, there was no excuse to make a crappy sp knowing they were doing so.

Hell, there's never an excuse to completely neglect such an important part of a video game.

It's because of opinions like yours that games get away with bullshit development. You give developers excuses to make crappy things and save money/time.

Bu bu bu bu but it's all about the MP. Bu bu bu bu bu it was just there for marketing.

That's just shameful.

 

[Metalmurphy]

People can't make a crappy SP and ride the "It's all about the MP" excuse.

It's ridiculously lazy and cheap.

Hey, at least it wasnt as lazy as BF2, 1942, 2142, Q3A and all the UT games.

 

[Gui_PT]

Hey, at least it wasnt as lazy as BF2, 1942, 2142, Q3A and all the UT games.

Well definitely not lol
But I wasn't comparing it to other games, sorry if that's what I made it seem like

 

[Dambrosi]

Hey, at least it wasnt as lazy as BF2, 1942, 2142, Q3A and all the UT games.

The point he's making is that if this is the best effort the devs are willing to expend on the single-player portion of a predominantly online multiplayer game, then they shouldn't have bothered at all.

In fact, just like BF2, 1942, 2142, Q3A and all the UT games.

 

[obonicus]

Playing against bots in a ladder in UT was a lot more fun than BF3's singleplayer.

 

[Dambrosi]

Playing against bots in a ladder in UT was a lot more fun than BF3's singleplayer.

If you're talking about original UT, with bots set to Godlike, then i hear ya.

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I've never played any other Unreal game. I'm so very sorry.

 

[Metalmurphy]

The point he's making is that if this is the best effort the devs are willing to expend on the single-player portion of a predominantly online multiplayer game, then they shouldn't have bothered at all.

In fact, just like BF2, 1942, 2142, Q3A and all the UT games.

So extra stuff like SP and Coop is gonna make the game worst?

 

[R_thanatos]

If you're talking about original UT, with bots set to Godlike, then i hear ya.

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I've never played any other Unreal game. I'm so very sorry.

i know what you mean i trained with this game for hours before i went against humans to show them the way ...
my first fps and the one i learned everything from.

 

[obonicus]

So extra stuff like SP and Coop is gonna make the game worst?

If you're judging it based on SP content (which is part of the content), yes. If you're judging solely on MP, then no. Yahtzee's criteria on this sort of thing is pretty clear.

 

[Metalmurphy]

If you're judging it based on SP content (which is part of the content), yes. If you're judging solely on MP, then no. Yahtzee's criteria on this sort of thing is pretty clear.

Yes, that was my point from the start.

"Well if all you play is the singleplayer on a game that's all about the multiplayer then yeah, it's gonna be on your worst game of the year award."

 

[ZZMitch]

The SP is there for marketing, get over it.

This is a bullshit excuse and developers should get called out on it.

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

Yes, that was my point from the start.

"Well if all you play is the singleplayer on a game that's all about the multiplayer then yeah, it's gonna be on your worst game of the year award."

except there actually IS a singleplayer part and that IS the part that is advertised with AND most people seem to stick with the campaign and never move towards mp anyway.

So the 'but it's about the multiplayer' argument is pretty much bogus.

 

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

This is a bullshit excuse and developers should get called out on it.

Blame the millions of people who don't buy game's without SP, even though they only play if for a couple of hour.



MP is the game, you may as well mark down any game that has a boss rush as an extra as been lazy content recycling.

 

[disappeared]

Had no idea he enjoyed Driver: SF. I may have to check it out.

 

[Metalmurphy]

except there actually IS a singleplayer part and that IS the part that is advertised with AND most people seem to stick with the campaign and never move towards mp anyway.

So the 'but it's about the multiplayer' argument is pretty much bogus.

No it isnt. Battlefield is and always has been about the large scale multiplayer combat with vehicles. Go to the 2 OTs and see how many ppl are talking about the SP.

The fact that they keep updating the mp game, adding mp exclusive maps, and never even touched the sp after release just shows how meanigless it is. If u bought it for the sp then you're just a miss informed fool.

 

[John]

No it isnt. Battlefield is and always has been about the large scale multiplayer combat with vehicles. Go to the 2 OTs and see how many ppl are talking about the SP.

The fact that they keep updating the mp game, adding mp exclusive maps, and never even touched the sp after release just shows how meanigless it is. If u bought it for the sp then you're just a miss informed fool.

that's kind of his point

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miss informed

 

[Kusagari]

except there actually IS a singleplayer part and that IS the part that is advertised with AND most people seem to stick with the campaign and never move towards mp anyway.

So the 'but it's about the multiplayer' argument is pretty much bogus.

Most people stick with the SP? I don't know anyone, of the 20+ people I play BF3 with, that have even touched it. CoD and BF are not the juggernauts they are because of the SP.

 

[Metalmurphy]

that's kind of his point

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miss informed

By who though? Even the cover of the game gives more focus to the MP then the SP by mentioning it first and how it's "award winning" MP, the official website hardly mentions the SP at all.

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

Unless there are 25 million people (per game!) online, most people seem to be sticking with SP. I can't prove it directly because I don't work for Activision, but I'm betting that's what the numbers are saying. Even if it's only because these are worldwide numbers and fast internet is not exactly a globally available commodity.

After all: they wouldn't be advertising the SP if it was different. Or making it for that matter.
And EA is desperately looking for their own Call of Duty / Halo alternative, and was more then happy to do all the advertising on the SP. (also with Medal of Honor)

What you think the main focus "should be" or what your non-randomly selected friends are doing is irrelevant to the initial point. However, as far as far momentum goes in terms of sales, people playing online is relevant. But on the whole not as much as you want to believe.
You shouldn't confuse one process with the other. As far as an early review (or any review) is concerned, not reviewing the multiplayer is pretty much the standard. I can see how it would be tempting to say that the SP is just there for marketing reasons, but really doubt it would be worth the kind of money involved.

Also, I am well aware what Battlefield is or why we used to play it, but I also do not believe Sonic is still good just because it used to be.

 

[Doc Holliday]

How come when a great mp game like bf3 has a crappy sp campaign it's considered lazy but when a great sp game has crappy mp it's considered an extra?

 

[Metalmurphy]

Unless there are 25 million people (per game!) online, most people seem to be sticking with SP. I can't prove it directly because I don't work for Activision, but I'm betting that's what the numbers are saying. Even if it's only because these are worldwide numbers and fast internet is not exactly a globally available commodity.

After all: they wouldn't be advertising the SP if it was different. Or making it for that matter.
And EA is desperately looking for their own Call of Duty / Halo alternative, and was more then happy to do all the advertising on the SP. (also with Medal of Honor)

What you think the main focus "should be" or what your non-randomly selected friends are doing is irrelevant to the initial point. However, as far as far momentum goes in terms of sales, people playing online is relevant. But on the whole not as much as you want to believe.
You shouldn't confuse one process with the other. As far as an early review (or any review) is concerned, not reviewing the multiplayer is pretty much the standard. I can see how it would be tempting to say that the SP is just there for marketing reasons, but really doubt it would be worth the kind of money involved.

Also, I am well aware what Battlefield is or why we used to play it, but I also do not believe Sonic is still good just because it used to be.

So you're saying that everyone plays the SP (or MP) at the exact same time? We know that a hell of alot more hours were spent on MP and that a hell of alot more people are playing the MP then the SP at a given time.

And all those people buying the map packs, sure aren't doing it for the SP.

 

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

Unless there are 25 million people (per game!) online, most people seem to be sticking with SP. I can't prove it directly because I don't work for Activision, but I'm betting that's what the numbers are saying. Even if it's only because these are worldwide numbers and fast internet is not exactly a globally available commodity.

So having a shitty SP helped them sell to the mass market.

You shouldn't confuse one process with the other. As far as an early review (or any review) is concerned, not reviewing the multiplayer is pretty much the standard. I can see how it would be tempting to say that the SP is just there for marketing reasons, but really doubt it would be worth the kind of money involved.

more the 10 million sold, it was worth taking on the SP.

Also, I am well aware what Battlefield is or why we used to play it, but I also do not believe Sonic is still good just because it used to be.

I don't get the point you're trying to make, one is genre the other is quality, and it's not like Sonic team try to make their games shit. considered choice on the part of EA DICE vs lack of talent on when it comes to ST.

 

[Massa]

No it isnt. Battlefield is and always has been about the large scale multiplayer combat with vehicles. Go to the 2 OTs and see how many ppl are talking about the SP.

The fact that they keep updating the mp game, adding mp exclusive maps, and never even touched the sp after release just shows how meanigless it is. If u bought it for the sp then you're just a miss informed fool.

And what Yahtzee is doing is informing people that it's crap. Why is that a problem?

It'd be nice if he could play the multiplayer and let people know how much of a step back it is compared to BC2 on consoles, but he made it pretty clear he doesn't play multiplayer shooters.

 

[Eusis]

How come when a great mp game like bf3 has a crappy sp campaign it's considered lazy but when a great sp game has crappy mp it's considered an extra?

A lot of people don't like tacking on bullshit multiplayer either, though the nature of the two here is somewhat different. For added multiplayer it can simply be a matter of taking the game's base mechanics, recycling stages/assets to make a multiplayer arena, and just establish some rules for the various modes. Likely still a waste of resources, but undoubtedly much less effort than, say, creating and scripting (to death) the Battlefield 3 scenario, when they could've instead just made it into a strong bot match thing.

 

[Metalmurphy]

And what Yahtzee is doing is informing people that it's crap. Why is that a problem?

I never said it was. All I said was if all you play is the SP then that's obvious, but you all decided to jump on me as if a good SP was obligatory in every game...

It'd be nice if he could play the multiplayer and let people know how much of a step back it is compared to BC2 on consoles, but he made it pretty clear he doesn't play multiplayer shooters.

lol, that's just another thing to do wrong.

 

[Seraphinianus]

So you're saying that everyone plays the SP (or MP) at the exact same time? We know that a hell of alot more hours were spent on MP and that a hell of alot more people are playing the MP then the SP at a given time.

And all those people buying the map packs, sure aren't doing it for the SP.

because the SP dude gets his jollies for about 5 hours for the campaign and some extra for the other modes, while MP dude poopsocks MP with his buddies 24/7 until the next COD comes out.

 

[PairOfFilthySocks]

The SP is there for marketing, get over it.

They didn't spend all that time/money on voicework and set-pieces to simply phone it in. They wanted to 1-up the CoD campaigns. They failed. Get over it.

 

[Rufus]

The SP is there for marketing, get over it.

They didn't spend all that time/money on voicework and set-pieces to simply phone it in. They wanted to 1-up the CoD campaigns. They failed. Get over it.

We've come full circle...?

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You are saying the same thing.

 

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

They didn't spend all that time/money on voicework and set-pieces to simply phone it in. They wanted to 1-up the CoD campaigns. They failed. Get over it.

That sentence is pointless. They did the bare minimum they could get away with, it's easier to make trailers when you have the pretense of story. a B-team was put on making a sellable SP with what ever budget was left over.


They never wanted to '1-up the CoD campaigns' they wanted to be able to make it look like they were.

We've come full circle...?

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You are saying the same thing.

there is a difference, I blame the market for them having to waste time on SP and think that ignoring it all together is the right thing. (I think) He's saying that you can't judge one part of a package and thus need to mark the whole game down because the SP was bad.

 

[mclem]

I guess this is the best place for it:

Yahtzee's finally got around to working on another game!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m2YEe167Gso

http://fullyramblomatic-yahtzee.blogspot.com/2012/01/poach-and-horses.html

Not a point-and-click this time - apparently he's going for a metroidvania approach. Could be interesting. Looks awesome.

 

[WolfForager]

I guess this is the best place for it:

Yahtzee's finally got around to working on another game!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m2YEe167Gso

http://fullyramblomatic-yahtzee.blogspot.com/2012/01/poach-and-horses.html

Not a point-and-click this time - apparently he's going for a metroidvania approach. Could be interesting. Looks awesome.

Jesus, if i needed a reminder as to why i should never read you tube comments, that video did it! Tbh i think it looks pretty interesting, i take it he's doing it alone?

 

[mclem]

Jesus, if i needed a reminder as to why i should never read you tube comments, that video did it! Tbh i think it looks pretty interesting, i take it he's doing it alone?

The blog says he's waiting on music, so he's not doing the assets alone, at least. No mention of any assistance on the coding side, though.

 

[Jharp]

I guess this is the best place for it:

Yahtzee's finally got around to working on another game!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m2YEe167Gso

http://fullyramblomatic-yahtzee.blogspot.com/2012/01/poach-and-horses.html

Not a point-and-click this time - apparently he's going for a metroidvania approach. Could be interesting. Looks awesome.

Interest engaged

 

[Mama Robotnik]

Super Mario 3D Land versus Rayman Origins.

He likes one of them and absolutely hates the other.

 

[Seraphinianus]

NOW NORMALLY I LOVE YAHTZEE AND I UNDERSTAND HE'S A JOKE REVIEWER BUT--


no jk.

but the people who get angry won't be jk.

 

[Massa]

That was awesome.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

He sure seems to hate 3D Land without having any kind of real complaints, other than the recycling. Oh and the platform it's on, naturally. I wonder if Origins was the 5th Rayman platformer this gen if he'd feel the same way.

I did laugh at the end.

 

[Seraphinianus]

I love 3D Land and if I were to objectively assess his review, I don't think he gave it a fair shake.

but he did make me wanna try Rayman!

 

[Himself]

Much of what he says about Mario3D being redundant and half-assed is contrary to what some people one GAF say about Mario3D giving the series a refreshing, creative kick in the ass. Who to believe, who to believe...

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

Well, I suppose he'd know recycled material when he saw it.

 

[Brashnir]

I love 3D Land and if I were to objectively assess his review, I don't think he gave it a fair shake.

but he did make me wanna try Rayman!

He goes a little overboard in his hate on 3D Land, but he's right that Rayman is the better game.

 

[Carl]

Haha fantastic. Great ending

 

[KTallguy]

Rayman is great, go buy it!

 

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

I love 3D Land and if I were to objectively assess his review, I don't think he gave it a fair shake.

but he did make me wanna try Rayman!

You should try the best platformer of the last ten years.

 

[SpongeBob NoPants]

Had my Xbox in in the background whilst I was watching that and it seems like the bloody Kinect thingy is more sensitive to Yahtzee's voice than it is to mine. Now I'm going to have to re-watch this week's episode to find out which bit sounds sufficiently like "british invasion the 1st name is a half hours behind you can I hold it by ok" to initiate a Bing search on the subject.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

I kinda agree with his Mario review despite really loving the game.

Well, I suppose he'd know recycled material when he saw it.

Salty!

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I kinda agree with his Mario review despite really loving the game.



Salty!

A little maybe Anyway I've had a copy of Rayman sitting around unplayed for a while, think I'm going to have get cracking on it tonight.

 

[Metal B]

I kinda agree with his Mario review despite really loving the game.

I believe, he really does like Mario and Super Mario 3D Land (his points were really specific). Like by many other games, he just try to brightly highlight the negative parts about a game, so that they have a much bigger impact on the audience. We really don't need more people saying, how great a game is. I also for example personally like it much more, when people give my honestly negative critic, then try to don't hurt my feelings. With critic i can grow and Yahtzee really want to see the industry grow. Thats why he plays his part as a bad guy. because we already have enough YES-people.

 

[StevePharma]

I resonated with his movie on Mario and Rayman.

The life system in Mario games needs to go. It's ancient and doesn't serve a purpose anymore. Rayman Origins proves Yahtzee's point on this and I agree.

 

[Seraphinianus]

I resonated with his movie on Mario and Rayman.

The life system in Mario games needs to go. It's ancient and doesn't serve a purpose anymore. Rayman Origins proves Yahtzee's point on this and I agree.

agree. Getting lives just feels like something to do.

I don't think the time in between lives is bad, but I really hate the "TOO BAD!" thing along with mario's annoying ass voice.