Nintendo's history show that they are perfectly capable of developing a console with the latest technology and that is competitive in terms of horsepower.
Wii was the exception, not the rule.
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Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!
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Wii was the exception, not the rule.
sorry, I would like to help you I'm sure you meant:
Other consoles: At least ~10X current.
Wii U: 10-15X current.
I'm glad that you see them that powerful - and it raises my hopes.
I Stalk Alone
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Exactly, so what is going to power the pixels in that screen as well as the TV? That's what he is probably trying to say.
IceDoesntHelp
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Grampa Simpson
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shit eating grin
Sometimes shit-eating grin.
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I Stalk Alone
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The 7670 is a 66w part on a 40nm process, could it be possible that the 7750 will be around 60-70w considering it is on a 28nm process? If only it was cheap enough to use a 6870M equivalent as that runs on a 128bit bus and is 50w at 1080gflops. To be honest I don't know what the price differences will be in using a laptop gpu design compared to a desktop equivalent of the same processing power. Can anyone elaborate on this?
7670 = 6670. They're both Turks (VLIW5), not Southern Islands (GCN). 7770 (and I think 7750 as well, since they're both Cape Verde) are going to be 28nm GCN parts. Problem is, anything based on either chip - releasing in the next couple months - isn't going into a 2012 console (and probably not a 2013 console either, which would already be late in the design stages).
Shadow of the BEAST
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This is what im expecting as well.
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
So go totally against everything know so far.....
I Stalk Alone
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how much would you pay for a 10x leap in performance if it relased 10 months from now?
how much would you pay for a 10x leap in performance if it relased 16 months from now?
how much would you pay for a 10x leap in performance if it relased 22 months from now?
ShockingAlberto
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The funny part about this is that it's incredibly obvious how much you need this to be the case. Like if it's not true, if it somehow exceeds that, your worldview will just crash.
Against my better judgement, I'm going to as why?
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
Better build a pc only chance you have of a 10x leap.
It runs HD, so better to compare with the 360.
Honestly, this type of skepticism is the BEST possible thing for Nintendo right now because I think it's obvious from the rumors that not only will Nintendo have at least a competitive console with the others the 360 successor is going to be MUCH closer to the Wii U's specs than that. So It's sort of a double psychological bounce for Nintendo, with them exceeding those expectations and MS and Sony under performing.
You know I was joking, right?
Entirely CGI videos at E3 from MS and Sony will conform to the view taken in this thread and that "brute force" clusterfuck. Results on screen will "show" how massively underpowered it is compared to the PS360 ports shown at the Wii U conference (How quickly we forget 2005)
I Stalk Alone
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Oh yeah that is a given, I was just looking at it from a thermal envelope and graphical processing power equivalent. I would hope that Ati/Nintendo codesigned the wiigpu customised heavily for what this console needs. I was just looking at a possibility of something around 5x the power of the 360gpu that would consume ~50w that's why I was looking at 6870M (rebadged 5870m?) as something to compare it to. Especially since it will be releasing by the time the shopping season ramps up in october. If they can target something along the lines of those specs I can see it fitting in the WiiU case. Can a case like that even support 100w total?
Fourth Storm
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Someone just needs to leak the damn specs already. This is too much...
Also, @bgassassin: You mentioned you think Nintendo could have come up with their own Unified Shader Architecture? Care to explain why you think that? Seems like that's taking the whole "custom" Radeon description to the extreme.
Also, @bgassassin: You mentioned you think Nintendo could have come up with their own Unified Shader Architecture? Care to explain why you think that? Seems like that's taking the whole "custom" Radeon description to the extreme.
Short term perhaps, but that will just make the debut of playable versions of their games all the more bitterly disappointing.
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I'd say that's the practical limit of that case, yeah... somewhere around 90-100w at best. I wouldn't know for a fact, however. Anyone have pictures of its power brick? lol
Nope. The "released" Killzone 2 looks "just as good" as that E3 video "if not better".
As many as it takes for people to make sure things align to their world view.
I Stalk Alone
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Expecting no leap or even a step back (in this case) is pretty conservative for WiiU.
Expecting 10x the leap (5870 equivalent) is not out of the question depending on when the consoles will release.
If the next XBOX releases November 2013 $399 with kinect it might be fairly successful. after a few years like the xbox now as i can see nintendo going the $349 route with the WiiU.
What will the pereceived values be like in a scenario like this? 5x plus tablet $349 WiiU or 10x next XBOX $399 and a $399 PS4 during black friday 2013 will be interesting to watch.
If the WiiU is able to output 5x the power of 360 and the others were twice as powerful how can the next box or ps4 distance themselves with the wii and be noticeable to the mainstream? graphics? AI? better multiplayer/online?
Grampa Simpson
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Why would the WiiU come with kinect?
I find it amusing that people are assuming (based on no information either way) that the PS4/Nextbox won't have a tablet controller. I'm actually betting at least one other company will (I'm going MS, with Sony pushing Vita connectivity)
Grampa Simpson
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The defining features of the xTab will be that it will run at 720p and will have tall clicky thumbsticks that are not on the same lateral.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Agreed. I think it's almost a given that MS debuts with a tablet controller--possibly hinting at it during E3 to take some hype away from Wii U.
A less bigoted Deku
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I think MS and Sony will focus more on integration, that way they can focus their entire hardware budget on power. They'll release a standalone tablet product that they can then tie in with the consoles. The combined cost will be $599 levels or more naturally, but it will play better if the concept is sold as a secondary purchase.
One educated guess I've heard is Windows8 tablet + 720 ; Sony obvious has the Vita and Nintendo has openly discussed the 3DS
Metroid Hunter
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I was thinking how many of Nintendo's big ideas were experimented for ages (like 3D on the GameCube) and then I remembered this.
How innovative and fresh were games using this feature? Nintendo can also do 3DS to Wii U connectivity.
How innovative and fresh were games using this feature? Nintendo can also do 3DS to Wii U connectivity.
I Stalk Alone
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should say next xbox will fix now. Thank you.
Just for clarity
The earlier evaluation model had SLI'd 6800GT, then a single 7800GTX but the final specs (RSX) used half bus width and half the VRAM (128bit and 256MB). So in reality it was a 7600GT. The Cell was overclocked 33% though. From 2.4GHz to 3.2GHz
I Stalk Alone
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Not saying the other two won't have a tablet but wouldnt that take away sales for their current tablets? or are you actually talking about tablet connectivity?
CrytothePrinceofPeace
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Sighs @ Gaf's obsession with hardware power.
Well I think we agree that it won't be based on consumer GCN, I just meant that it will be somewhere in the ballpark of the 7750 performance wise (probably 768 shader units, 16ROPS). And I sincerely hope that it will have modern shader units and tesselator (I don't believe the final version will have much to do with RV7xx), but you are right that desktop GCN probably would be overkill for a game machine instruction wise.
Jorok Goldblade
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We know final-form hardware and all games are being saved for E3.
Nintendo tends not to release specs. Those leak out unofficially.
Price, date and OS tours tend to show up at "September Conferences" (Or January in the case of 3DS - think about 2 months prior to launch)
GDC announcements tend to be game announcements for already released hardware and service-related information (Netflix, Virtual console, etc)
I'm guessing a new Luigi's Mansion 2 trailer and some VC and lifestlye app announcements are our best bets.
I think that the Smash Bros. connectivity between the 3DS and Wii U will be the most ambitious Nintendo project that includes such functionalities.
I can imagine many possibilites:
-Stage/character/item transfers from Wii U Smash to 3DS Smash or vice versa.
-Game streaming to 3DS (it could act as a Wii U controller). I like this thought the most but I don't know if it is truly possible.
-Spotpass stuff from 3DS Smash that could transfer to Wii U Smash (I have no idea what kind of stuff; trophies, maybe).
-Same online matches. (One person is playing online on their 3DS Smash against a person who is playing online on their Wii U Smash).
No, I'm not talking about full tablets which may or may not cannibalize their existing tablet business, but tablet connectivity and "dumb" terminals like the UPad with some of the same features. I mean, especially for someone like Sony with the Vita I could see it not being included in box mainly because of their adherence to the dual shock design, but for MS? I see a controller with a screen similar to the UPad.
My assumption is that the UPad is similar but different than Nintendo's motion control efforts in the past with the screen. The screen doesn't just add a new way of performing the same action on a standard controller, it actually opens up new ways of playing old games. Asymmetric gameplay possibilities alone are an important area the screen opens up. My guess is that third parties are enthusiastic enough to essentially force Sony and MS to support the tech or get gimped ports of multiplat games.
I mean, say we do get dual tablet functionality with Wii U. It would be a TOTAL downgrade to play a game like madden locally on any non-tablet system. I mean, sure, online would still be fine but I still say the advantages of the tablet are going to be too much, at least one and possibly both of Nintendo's competitors are going to have tablet controllers.
60_gig_PS3
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I wonder if they can do split screen multiplayer with one player gets the big screen while the other is on the tablet.
I do this very often but it seems like it could be a useful feature in FPS games.
I do this very often but it seems like it could be a useful feature in FPS games.
GameplayWhore
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That's assuming that they do it right.
I remember being excited when a third party boxing game announced support for the Balance Board. I thought it would be incredibly cool for your stance to affect how your character works in the game. At the very least, it'd be great to dodge via leaning to either side, or to lean into your punches like you'd do in a real fight, or to lean back to soften a blow that landed on you.
...we got "special balance board exercise mode". The actual game didn't use it for anything.
edit: Based on this, I expect Madden's use of the tablet to be limited to zoom-ins of the active play area or something similar which does not even slightly affect gameplay in any positive fashion.
AceBandage
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Certainly possible, though I dunno if many games will utilize it.
Lord Ghirahim
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I just realised Wii U is the first Nintendo home console to start a console generation since the NES, 29 years ago.
bgassassin
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You were also one of the main ones expecting 6-8GB of memory in the other consoles, so... yeah.
I read awhile back that Xenos is supposedly not VLIW-based. Considering the supposed inefficiency of VLIW5 once DX10 came out, I think it's plausible Nintendo came up with something of their own. Not guaranteed, just plausible.
Oh ok. I guess we could see that if they increased the ALU count.
That was one of the main things shown at E3. Chase Mii, Battle Mii, and Killer Freaks all showed this ability.
themadcowtipper
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So you are saying the wii u will be less powerfull then a nes. LOL when will this company learn.
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