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[lunchwithyuzo]

I'd be surprised to see it on Wii in the West. I see them focusing on the Wii U version only for NA and Europe.

It's an MMO, they'll be wanting it on as many systems as possible. I don't think they can get away with it being Wii U only in the west, they need that giant Wii base to populate things upfront. Beta at the end of 2012, release in 1H 2013.

I think it's probably going to be Nintendo's last Wii release in the west, unless NOE picks up the Inazuma Eleven Strikers games.

 

[Mokka]

It makes me sad that everyone puts "jaw-drop-animation-WW-toon-Link" and "boring-top-down-PH-toon-Link" in the same category. Go play Wind Waker again and be amazed by the secondary animations on the guards in your first stealth mission (and all the other stuff that is missing from the DS Zeldas).

 

[Forsaken82]

They seriously can't have U be their "Super" or "64" tag for generational games on this console. Mario U, Zelda U, it all sounds terrible. Like a 90s rap rock band.

Was Mario Galaxy titled Mario Galaxy Wii? Or Any of the Zelda games? I guess New Super Mario Bros Wii U may happen...

I am pretty sure you won't have anything to worry about... Except for maybe a Wii U Sports title perhaps.

 

[Mokka]

I'm confident that Wii U isn't the final name. Not after Nintendo has spent months saying they've regretted naming their new handheld "3DS" because it only confused customers.

I can't remember their specific wording on their Dolphin/Revolution naming wherever it was that they announced those consoles. Did they say from the very beginning that they were only codenames? Because if they did that'd be all the bigger reason to think the name's going to be changed.

The situation between Wii and Wii U is different from DS and 3DS though. The DS had several revisions all named DSsomething. The Wii only had a second version that didn't include GC compatibility. The name didn't change though.
IMO the name wouldn't be any more confusing than SNES.

 

[royalan]

The situation between Wii and Wii U is different from DS and 3DS though. The DS had several revisions all named DSsomething. The Wii only had a second version that didn't include GC compatibility. The name didn't change though.
IMO the name wouldn't be any more confusing than SNES.

Wii Zapper
Wii Balance Board
Wii Wheel
Wii Motion+

I see what you're saying, and Wii U is a bit different because it'll come with a [slightly] different looking console. But if Nintendo keeps the name, and focuses most of the marketing attention on the controller (as they most likely will; it's the Wii U's biggest draw), I can see casuals being confused and thinking Wii U is an add-on controller peripheral. Similar to last E3.

 

[EatinOlives]

The situation between Wii and Wii U is different from DS and 3DS though. The DS had several revisions all named DSsomething. The Wii only had a second version that didn't include GC compatibility. The name didn't change though.
IMO the name wouldn't be any more confusing than SNES.

You raise a valid point with "Super Nintendo", although all the branding and marketing for the SNES made it clear that it was a truly new console. Logo, controller, console design, everything. They still used the Wii brand at E3 for the Wii U, down to the same logo but with a square added to the right of it, and in some promotional shots they even had Wii Remotes. Even seasoned gamers were confused for a good five minutes as to whether or not Nintendo was talking about a new console or just a new peripheral.

Of course, if they keep the name but change the branding they probably wouldn't have to change it. Keeping both the branding AND the name is going to give them problems.

 

[ReyVGM]

I knew it was a new console. Every Nintendo fan knew that. However, I could understand other people not knowing.

They didn't even show the console during the conference. I can totally understand if other people though Wii U was the "tablet controller" or an add-on for the Wii.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

I knew it was a new console. Every Nintendo fan knew that. However, I could understand other people not knowing.

They didn't even show the console during the conference. I can totally understand if other people though Wii U was the "tablet controller" or an add-on for the Wii.

I can't.

Not when the only people watching the reveal live were all gamers. We had rumors, dev comments, and even Nintendo chiming in that a new console was coming. So what did the mental midgets do? "LuLz! Is it am Wii controller?!"

No, the people that shouldn't have been fucking idiots about it were. The masses barely know the thing exists. If they know at all.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

It was poorly presented, plain and simple. The way they explained it, the way they showed it in that commercial, it was objectively a very poorly presented piece of hardware. Regardless of what type of person was watching. Yeah I knew what was going on, but like I said, objectively speaking, stepping out of the box, I can easily see why it was so poorly presented. And the press will latch onto anything, everyone knows that, and it just blew up from there.

They need to be detailed but clear as well as somewhat concise, and then move on from hardware after explaining it that way, and just move to games. Even Nintendo admitted they presented it badly, so I'm not sure why people defend it or can't see it.

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

I don't know whether this is old or the right place to post this, but I want the next Zelda to look like this:
fanmade Zelda trailer

why? its so ugly..

Spoiler

and I love cel-shaded Link.

 

[royalan]

It was poorly presented, plain and simple. The way they explained it, the way they showed it in that commercial, it was objectively a very poorly presented piece of hardware. Regardless of what type of person was watching. Yeah I knew what was going on, but like I said, objectively speaking, stepping out of the box, I can easily see why it was so poorly presented. And the press will latch onto anything, everyone knows that, and it just blew up from there.

They need to be detailed but clear as well as somewhat concise, and then move on from hardware after explaining it that way, and just move to games. Even Nintendo admitted they presented it badly, so I'm not sure why people defend it or can't see it.

Agreed.

Everything about the way they've handled the Wii U since that unveiling is due to how badly it was initially presented.

 

[MasterSheen]

But how can the Wii U be mistaken as a Wii when the Upad comes with a system that is obviously not the Wii?

 

[BY2K]

But how can the Wii U be mistaken as a Wii when the Upad comes with a system that is obviously not the Wii?

The Wii U console looks a lot like the Wii, just with rounded edges.

 

[ReyVGM]

But how can the Wii U be mistaken as a Wii when the Upad comes with a system that is obviously not the Wii?

Maybe now you can say that, but during the presentation, the system wasn't even shown

Well, it was, but it was in the background of the video and you couldn't even tell if it was a Wii or a new console.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Maybe now you can say that, but during the presentation, the system wasn't even shown

Well, it was, but it was in the background of the video and you couldn't even tell if it was a Wii or a new console.

"it's just a box" lol

 

[Hiltz]

The Wii U console looks a lot like the Wii, just with rounded edges.

I remember watching the Wii U E3 trailer and there's only one brief shot of Wii U console shown at the very beginning, but it's from across the room, so it can very easily mistaken for a Wii positioned horizontally.

 

[Antioch]

I can't.

Not when the only people watching the reveal live were all gamers. We had rumors, dev comments, and even Nintendo chiming in that a new console was coming. So what did the mental midgets do? "LuLz! Is it am Wii controller?!"

No, the people that shouldn't have been fucking idiots about it were. The masses barely know the thing exists. If they know at all.

Agreed, everyone who was watching it knew the new console would be shown, they even said "new console" and "new home system" like a dozen times before they even showed the controller. I was actually shocked at all the confusion after watching the conference.

In terms of next E3 though, I hope they just start with Reggie talking shortly, then the 3DS section (similar to how they used the screens at E3 last year), that way they would have shown NSMB 3DS, Paper Mario, Animal Crossing, I would guess Zelda 3DS, maybe something like Golden Sun, all before even talking about Wii U. 3DS would be out of the way and then they could devote at least an hour to the Wii U, all it's games for the first 9 months post-release, glimpses at some later ones, its online system, launch details, everything.

 

[Somnid]

The Wii U console looks a lot like the Wii, just with rounded edges.

It's not going to show up in marketing. The console box and any advertisement will have the Wii U controller front and center.

 

[Rhod]

It was more akin to Iwata's TGS reveal of the Wii Remote (similarly 'WTF' for many), with the real coming out party later on. I don't really see where the issue was, considering they still wanted to be selling Wii for the rest of the year. Had they made a huge impact on the public consciousness with a new Wii that no one could buy for eighteen months, they would have been helping no one.

Instead, they let not-currently-developing developers know what was coming, and eradicated the rumours, and got enthusiast message boards buzzing with people talking about whether the presentation to get enthusiast message boards buzzing was successful or not.

 

[bgassassin]

It's an MMO, they'll be wanting it on as many systems as possible. I don't think they can get away with it being Wii U only in the west, they need that giant Wii base to populate things upfront. Beta at the end of 2012, release in 1H 2013.

I think it's probably going to be Nintendo's last Wii release in the west, unless NOE picks up the Inazuma Eleven Strikers games.

I see them doing it to help build up the Wii U base. Japan sure, but elsewhere I don't think the lack of a base means much. However it also could end up being awhile before it comes to the West allowing time for the base to grow before launch.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I think a lot of the confusion at the E3 conference was born, subconsciously or otherwise, of bias and agendas.

You don't really need to look further than "Looks worse than PS360 footage" for that.

 

[Super Smash Bro]

I think a lot of the confusion at the E3 conference was born, subconsciously or otherwise, of bias and agendas.

You don't really need to look further than "Looks worse than PS360 footage" for that.

Yeah, I can't really picture in my head the type of person who would be watching the Nintendo E3 presser and also be confused that Wii U was a new console and not a peripheral. Iwata even said early in the show that they'd be showing their new console after getting through the Wii/3DS stuff.

 

[Anth0ny]

It's not going to show up in marketing. The console box and any advertisement will have the Wii U controller front and center.

That's dumb. People are going to think it's a Wii controller.

I guarantee the console itself will appear in marketing. It'll probably be right there on the box alongside the tablet controller.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

I think a lot of the confusion at the E3 conference was born, subconsciously or otherwise, of bias and agendas.

You don't really need to look further than "Looks worse than PS360 footage" for that.

Honestly yeah.

It was freaking surreal. I came back from watching the conference to read pure and utter nonsense. I might make stupid jokes... well always, but that was legitimately perplexing.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I think a lot of the confusion at the E3 conference was born, subconsciously or otherwise, of bias and agendas.

You don't really need to look further than "Looks worse than PS360 footage" for that.

like I said though, not 'confusing', but definitely poorly presented.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

like I said though, not 'confusing', but definitely poorly presented.

I didn't like George Bush, and felt his State of the Union speeches were poorly presented, but I knew he wasn't giving us the state of the union for Zimbabwe even though he talked at length about them.

Logical thinking flew out the window in favor of agendas.

 

[Lord Ghirahim]

You don't really need to look further than "Looks worse than PS360 footage" for that.

That was on NeoGAF, right? Can someone link some of those posts please?

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I didn't like George Bush, and felt his State of the Union speeches were poorly presented, but I knew he wasn't giving us the state of the union for Zimbabwe even though he talked at length about them.

Logical thinking flew out the window in favor of agendas.

not denying people hate on nintendo because they think it's the 'in' thing right now.

The point is, they weren't 100% clear about the footage they were showing during the conference (but yeah people were being stupid saying they somehow looked worse), they were being questionably ambiguous about the hardware outside of the controller for bad reasons like "it's just a box". And even when it came to explaining the controller and its capabilities there were a lot of questions left unanswered.

I don't see how anyone can deny that it wasn't presented well. And I'm sure there is a good excuse, it was probably rushed as fuck. But that doesn't make it any better. Did people get WAY carried away with their criticisms? Hell yeah, this is NeoGAF. Was the conference perfectly fine? No....no it wasn't.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

not denying people hate on nintendo because they think it's the 'in' thing right now.

The point is, they weren't 100% clear about the footage they were showing during the conference (but yeah people were being stupid saying they somehow looked worse), they were being questionably ambiguous about the hardware outside of the controller for bad reasons like "it's just a box". And even when it came to explaining the controller and its capabilities there were a lot of questions left unanswered.

I don't see how anyone can deny that it wasn't presented well. And I'm sure there is a good excuse, it was probably rushed as fuck. But that doesn't make it any better. Did people get WAY carried away with their criticisms? Hell yeah, this is NeoGAF. Was the conference perfectly fine? No....no it wasn't.

Yes, but there is a difference between "Well that was disappointing." and "LuLz! That am Wii controller!"

 

[EatinOlives]

not denying people hate on nintendo because they think it's the 'in' thing right now.

The point is, they weren't 100% clear about the footage they were showing during the conference, they were being questionably ambiguous about the hardware outside of the controller for bad reasons like "it's just a box". And even when it came to explaining the controller and its capabilities there were a lot of questions left unanswered.

I don't see how anyone can deny that it wasn't presented well. And I'm sure there is a good excuse, it was probably rushed as fuck. But that doesn't make it any better. Did people get WAY carried away with their criticisms? Hell yeah, this is NeoGAF. Was the conference perfectly fine? No....no it wasn't.

I was in a chatroom with a bunch of gaming friends during the E3 presser who weren't following the whole Project Cafe rumor mill. They just knew that Nintendo might unveil a new console. And yes, for a good five minutes they were confused if Nintendo was showing only a tablet peripheral for the Wii.

The idea that only trolls or "mental midgets" thought that is, frankly, really stupid and childishly defensive. The presentation was horribly put together, rushed, and really confusing. The fact that an entire chatroom with gamers who weren't vested in these "SYSTEM WARZ" and who were legitimately confused attests to that.

And now I wait for the inevitable "LULZ ANECDOTALE EVIDENCE".

 

[AceBandage]

First one I found, you'll probably find others near it.



Edit:
I know I'm probably not better than most people around here, but some of those posts are kinda embarassing.

Edit2:

To be clear, this is not to mock the people that wrote such things.



Edit3:
The last batch I'll post.

Why not?

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

And now I wait for the inevitable "LULZ ANECDOTALE EVIDENCE".

no argument here, I agree. The presentation definitely isn't something not worthy of criticisms, not sure why some people pretend like it was.

Yes, but there is a difference between "Well that was disappointing." and "LuLz! That am Wii controller!"

and at the same time, people will always be stupid here. But I think we'll all see when the next xbox and ps4 are announced, the carnival of stupid isn't exclusive to Nintendo products (though that's where the carnival spends most its time).

 

[royalan]

Yes, but there is a difference between "Well that was disappointing." and "LuLz! That am Wii controller!"

To be fair, I was lurking on GAF at the time, and I don't actually remember anyone being genuinely confused by the end. I think most people following the conference knew that we were talking about a new console before it was over, but that doesn't mean it wasn't confusing.

I think it was less a case of:

"HAR HAR IT'S NOTHING BUT A WII CONTROLLER!"

And more a case of:

"Hey, wait a minute, this is supposed to be a new console...right? Right? .....ok it is! But damn that had me thrown for a second!"

That latter was definitely my thought process, as well as a lot of other people. And the fact that Nintendo had so many people (even journalists who were there) confused for even a moment about the hardware was a failing.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

I was in a chatroom with a bunch of gaming friends during the E3 presser who weren't following the whole Project Cafe rumor mill. They just knew that Nintendo might unveil a new console. And yes, for a good five minutes they were confused if Nintendo was showing only a tablet peripheral for the Wii.

The idea that only trolls or "mental midgets" thought that is, frankly, really stupid and childishly defensive. The presentation was horribly put together, rushed, and really confusing. The fact that an entire chatroom with gamers who weren't vested in these "SYSTEM WARZ" and who were legitimately confused attests to that.

And now I wait for the inevitable "LULZ ANECDOTALE EVIDENCE".

I thought it was obvious that I was indicting the idiots here. I wouldn't expect random gamers even to follow the news and rumors. The people of this forum though? They knew. They'd seen the same damn rumors, seen the same threads I had. They knew the system would be revealed in some capacity at E3. Others had mentioned it in other threads not directly related to it.

To the people of this forum it wasn't a foregone conclusion, but it was very very likely. They were the ones I was referring to in the less than eloquent "mental midgets".

 

[EatinOlives]

I thought it was obvious that I was indicting the idiots here. I wouldn't expect random gamers even to follow the news and rumors. The people of this forum though? They knew. They'd seen the same damn rumors, seen the same threads I had. They knew the system would be revealed in some capacity at E3. Others had mentioned it in other threads not directly related to it.

To the people of this forum it wasn't a foregone conclusion, but it was very very likely. They were the ones I was referring to in the less than eloquent "mental midgets".

Ah, apologies then.

 

[Penguin]

That was on NeoGAF, right? Can someone link some of those posts please?

Actually, NeoGAF I can understand, but fairly certain it was some of the bigger sites as well.

I believe even BombCast mentioned that the games looked worse or on par with current gen. And maybe G4 right after the conference aired.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

not denying people hate on nintendo because they think it's the 'in' thing right now.

The point is, they weren't 100% clear about the footage they were showing during the conference (but yeah people were being stupid saying they somehow looked worse), they were being questionably ambiguous about the hardware outside of the controller for bad reasons like "it's just a box". And even when it came to explaining the controller and its capabilities there were a lot of questions left unanswered.

I don't see how anyone can deny that it wasn't presented well. And I'm sure there is a good excuse, it was probably rushed as fuck. But that doesn't make it any better. Did people get WAY carried away with their criticisms? Hell yeah, this is NeoGAF. Was the conference perfectly fine? No....no it wasn't.

It was 100% perfectly clear. I'm listening to it right now. "a new Nintendo System", "It's a system that we will all enjoy together".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3VZVBAuUlk

They were very clearly talking about a new system. The trailer itself concentrated on the controller, which is a given, and flatly it the exciting part of the new system. That it's in HD is not what should be exciting.

The most criticism that I could give is that the trailer itself doesn't point out that it's a new system. Should Nintendo have anticipated that the audience would be so dumb that they need a couple of reminders in the trailer itself? Hindsight is 20/20, but I'd be embarrassed as hell if I had done anything like confuse that presentation as being about a new controller for the current Wii.

 

[Bombillazo]

They should rename the console Nintendo U ...

Available for your home in 2012, ONLY on Nintendo U!

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Actually, NeoGAF I can understand, but fairly certain it was some of the bigger sites as well.

I believe even BombCast mentioned that the games looked worse or on par with current gen. And maybe G4 right after the conference aired.

Bombcast said everything from the reel looked like a launch 360 game, IIRC.

 

[royalan]

It was 100% perfectly clear. I'm listening to it right now. "a new Nintendo System", "It's a system that we will all enjoy together".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3VZVBAuUlk

I don't think you're considering that, for a lot of people, that's precisely why it was confusing. We'd heard the rumors, we heard Reggie say the word "system" but then we got the trailer that seemed to be purposely hiding the system while overly emphasizing the controller and showing demoes with Wii-level graphics. That juxtaposition is what made it confusing. But I don't think anybody was confused by the end. I think that part gets overblown by people who want to defend Nintendo's piss-poor presentation.

 

[filler]

It was pretty funny to see the gaming media make complete fools of themselves there. Not like we didn't already know most of them have an anti nintendo bias.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Bombcast said everything from the reel looked like a launch 360 game, IIRC.

lol that's pretty funny. Or sad. Or funny. I don't know. It's actually pretty sad. It'd be hard to deny that some of the big gaming outlets do look downwardly on Nintendo.

 

[Yagharek]

I can't.

Not when the only people watching the reveal live were all gamers. We had rumors, dev comments, and even Nintendo chiming in that a new console was coming. So what did the mental midgets do? "LuLz! Is it am Wii controller?!"

No, the people that shouldn't have been fucking idiots about it were. The masses barely know the thing exists. If they know at all.

I dont understand how people could think it was "a new controller?"

Did they see the graphics? Pretty sure a new controller couldn't unlock the second, third, fourth through eighth core of the original Wii.

If anyone thought it was "just a new controller" then they must really have missed something fundamental.

 

[snesfreak]

I still hope they rename it "The Goddamn Nintendo" 'cause that's what I'm gonna call it.
"Hey man, I'm gonna bring my Goddamn Nintendo controller over so we can play some *insert game here*."
But if they have to keep Wii U, they better make it clear it's a new system in the commercials and on the box.
Like "This is not a #$!@ING Wii addon people!"
Or something.

 

[antonz]

I don't think you're considering that, for a lot of people, that's precisely why it was confusing. We'd heard the rumors, we heard Reggie say the word "system" but then we got the trailer that seemed to be purposely hiding the system while overly emphasizing the controller and showing demoes with Wii-level graphics. That juxtaposition is what made it confusing. But I don't think anybody was confused by the end. I think that part gets overblown by people who want to defend Nintendo's piss-poor presentation.

There was some very deliberate misrepresenting done by the media. Nintendo mentioned the fact most major game industry news sources had been upto NOA HQ to see the Wii U etc the week and days before E3.

So it was all the more apparent trolling when sites were like new console or add on? for headlines etc

 

[FreeMufasa]

I like U Wii.

 

[Gianni Merryman]

To be fair, while I was watching on streaming last year's E3, I must admit I was quite confused myself at first during WiiU's announcement.

For a start the trailer was not of much help to figure out what was it all about, besides they could have made the most of those announced games, showing PS360 footage and Mii's hide and seek game did a poor figure overall.

In fact I believe that was a rushed thing, badly presented - as it was maybe too early for them to put all theirs cards on the table, that said I have seen a lot of unjustified trolling against WiiU.

 

[Kokonoe]

I hope for WiiU they make an HD version of Super Smash Bros. Melee.

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

I hope for WiiU they make an HD version of Super Smash Bros. Melee.

Do NOT get your hopes up for this...seriously.

 

[Kokonoe]

Do NOT get your hopes up for this...seriously.

....What?