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Mass Effect 3 Demo Impressions [Online Open To All]

Enduin

No bald cap? Lies!
From the Mass Effect twitter:

(@mytwitter) When the full game releases, hi-res textures will be built into the game! #masseffect3

If this is a lie I will find you and kill you HarryHengst.

I either missed this altogether, or it left such a minor impression that I forgot it. What was the reason?

They apparently "liquefy" a large number of beings from a single species to reproduce, but I considered this to be separate from the reaper's scorch-and-burn policy of exterminating, well, everything. Was this what you were referring to?

While the specifics arent ever given, they need organic life to reproduce themselves in some way. But from what little was said, they do need a specific kind of organic life, since the Protheans were not suitable candidates for reaperization and thats why some were genetically re-engineered to become the Collectors we know and love. Which also explains the Collectors themselves, and their actions of collecting other species in an attempt to find the best suitable candidate for the Reapers to use for reaperduction.

Everything other species can go fuck itself as far as the Reapers are concerned so they just wipe them all out or they re-purpose them if they show any promise like the Keepers on the Citadel or the Protheans as Collectors. As well a lot of people speculate that generally there arent as many space faring species in the galaxy when the Reapers arrive as there are now in ME and some believe thats because of Prothean intervention on a lot of planets, explaining their outpost on Mars.
 

Samara

Member
Alright, so I'm on PS3, and I have to say that the framerate is better than ME2. The game looks amazing. Default FemShep looks great. But why oh why did they remove the voting FEMShepards?!?WTF

I had some trouble with the combat tho. Anderson even called me out saying "did you forget how to shoot?" I was rolling without knowing what I did. This is why I play Infiltrator, it gives me time because I'm not very good. This game moves fast. A little too fast.

About combat: You have to press R3 to move around cover, pressing B makes a punch when come out of cover which is pretty weird since they never mention it. It takes some getting used to. Oh and looks like friendly fire is gone: yay
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
From the Mass Effect twitter:

(@mytwitter) When the full game releases, hi-res textures will be built into the game! #masseffect3

I can see it on their twitter, so its true, but I do wish they'd clarify if it is the same as the beta.

I either missed this altogether, or it left such a minor impression that I forgot it. What was the reason?

They apparently "liquefy" a large number of beings from a single species to reproduce, but I considered this to be separate from the reaper's scorch-and-burn policy of exterminating, well, everything. Was this what you were referring to?

That was the excuse I took from the game. The Reapers 'harvest' all technologically organic life to adopt species' beneficial evolutionary to improve themselves and/or reproduce more Reapers. Rather than just kill everything for no reason, they use the galaxy as somewhat of a test lab, collecting results, adopting improvements and resetting the experiment every 50,000 years.
 
If this is a lie I will find you and kill you HarryHengst.

Its true.

Comparison I made with the demo and newest video to prove its a earlier build:

Newest Video.
Shepard.png


Demo
shepard2.png


Character model looks completly different.
 

Kem0sabe

Member
This isn't a retcon in the slightest. There is nothing told or implied in ME1 that conflicts with ME2's reasoning. Nothing at all. All we are told is that the Reapers return to harvest/extinguish all technologically advanced organic life. That is it.

You might not like the reason they gave, but it is in no way, shape or form in the ballpark of a retcon.



ME1 makes it clear the Reapers re-purpose enslaved species to do their bidding. This is, in fact, a major plot point, one that explains the origin of the Keepers and why they are the way they are. Protheans being re-purposed for another use fits the Reaper agenda to a T.

Delivery on these revelations I will pay. It was rushed and inconsequential.



And I was not arguing against any of this, simply that there are plot points and developing backgrounds if people wish to look for them. I'd argue the info dump Legion gives you is particularly significant to the game's universe, and easily up their with much of what ME1 offered. It is unfortunate it is very easily missed.

I wish they would remove the "extinguish all organic life in the galaxy" text in the final version of ME3, makes no sense given all we know about the reapers from ME2.
 

Tookay

Member
My two fears for this game's story are:

1) That some deus ex machina is going to be introduced to destroy the Reapers.
2) That every seemingly legitimate social/political conflict between the various alien races is actually the result of some mustache-twirling Reaper, cheapening the issues by making clear bad guys/good guys.
 

Bisnic

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I can see it on their twitter, so its true, but I do wish they'd clarify if it is the same as the beta.



That was the excuse I took from the game. The Reapers 'harvest' all technologically organic life to adopt species' beneficial evolutionary to improve themselves and/or reproduce more Reapers. Rather than just kill everything for no reason, they use the galaxy as somewhat of a test lab, collecting results, adopting improvements and resetting the experiment every 50,000 years.

But what i dont get is that, other than the Terminator Reaper made of squished humans, every other Reapers looks the same. If they really harvest species to reproduce, then why do they all look the same, or are humans a special case?(lol)
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
But what i dont get is that, other than the Terminator Reaper made of squished humans, every other Reapers looks the same. If they really harvest species to reproduce, then why do they all look the same, or are humans a special case?(lol)

Because BioWare didn't think of it until ME2 :p (I don't know).

Do you have a link to that tweet? I cant find it.

If you search the quote on twitter you'll find it.
 

Wiggum2007

Junior Member
I wish they would remove the "extinguish all organic life in the galaxy" text in the final version of ME3, makes no sense given all we know about the reapers from ME2.

Well personally if I got pulverized and melted down into liquid I'd consider myself pretty well extinguished...

But what i dont get is that, other than the Terminator Reaper made of squished humans, every other Reapers looks the same. If they really harvest species to reproduce, then why do they all look the same, or are humans a special case?(lol)

I think the idea is that the human reaper larvae we saw forms some sort of "reaper core" of an actual reaper, which is the giant space cuttlefish we're familiar with. That would explain why that human reaper was tiny in comparison to a full size reaper.
 
My two fears for this game's story are:

1) That some deus ex machina is going to be introduced to destroy the Reapers.
2) That every seemingly legitimate social/political conflict between the various alien races is actually the result of some mustache-twirling Reaper, cheapening the issues by making clear bad guys/good guys.

People need to have some realistic expectations here. How the hell would anyone suggest the Reapers be defeated then? There HAS to be some type of superior weaponry or viral attack or SOME weakness...there are only so many ways people.....
 

Samara

Member
But what i dont get is that, other than the Terminator Reaper made of squished humans, every other Reapers looks the same. If they really harvest species to reproduce, then why do they all look the same, or are humans a special case?(lol)

It's what's inside the Reaper. I think if you look at the derelict (??) reaper's inside you can see a geth light bulb or something.

But in the demo the one that kills before Shepard takes off, is a reaper right? He looks more mobile---
 

Bisnic

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Well personally if I got pulverized and melted down into liquid I'd consider myself pretty well extinguished...

The thing is that they do not kill all organic life. If they did, humans wouldnt even exist since they would have killed our ancestors.
 
But what i dont get is that, other than the Terminator Reaper made of squished humans, every other Reapers looks the same. If they really harvest species to reproduce, then why do they all look the same, or are humans a special case?(lol)

Because that was just the core of a reaper.

Why do most of the Reapers we’ve seen so far have similar insect-like appearances? The human Reaper looked different, but otherwise it seems like the Reapers mainly build themselves out of bugs. Is that correct?
The exterior of the Reapers does follow a similar pattern, an efficient design for the purpose they were created for. However each Reaper is created from a unique species, and as we saw at the end of Mass Effect 2, the core of each Reaper is designed in the likeness of that species.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/04/21/mass-effect-a-q-amp-a-for-hardcore-fans.aspx
 

Vamphuntr

Member
This isn't a retcon in the slightest. There is nothing told or implied in ME1 that conflicts with ME2's reasoning. Nothing at all. All we are told is that the Reapers return to harvest/extinguish all technologically advanced organic life. That is it.

You might not like the reason they gave, but it is in no way, shape or form in the ballpark of a retcon.

I disagree, when you finally confront Sovereign on Virmire he makes it clear to you that reapers are cold machines and that they crush weak organic life forms like humans. Moreover, no one tell you they are organic at all in the first game. Even when you get to the Prothean AI there is no mention of this. The hypothesis they throw at you is that they wipe out civilizations before they are advanced enough to fight back. I mean sure, you can say he was bluffing or lying but it's handled extremely poorly in the second one where no one questions that at all. You have to accept EDI's analysis saying that the hybrid between protheans and humans failed and they became collectors instead because EDI said so.



Delivery on these revelations I will pay. It was rushed and inconsequential.

I wouldn't say these were rushed but were placed in the background instead. For once, the Keepers's role in the Reapers' plan is well explained in the first game. You get hints about how they are older than all of the races in the citadel and that they act as the citadel's guardian. Moreover, there is a sidequest in the game where you get to learn more about the Keepers and their mystery by scanning them. There is some content there and at least it pays off in the game. When all hell break lose in the end, it makes sense as everything is introduced properly. The prothean AI explains the role of the Keepers and the Citadel then you have to act quickly to stop it.

In comparison, in ME2 you simply do a bunch of recruitment missions until something happens with the Collector and EDI eventually tell you that they are indeed Protheans. Delivery is far worse. It seems that you reach a point where they need to spice up everything by telling you this. It's also terrible that the Prothean AI had nothing to say about this. The war is supposed to have lasted for years and they had no idea about this? I

And I was not arguing against any of this, simply that there are plot points and developing backgrounds if people wish to look for them. I'd argue the info dump Legion gives you is particularly significant to the game's universe, and easily up their with much of what ME1 offered. It is unfortunate it is very easily missed.

I can agree with that but they have a serious issue with delivering them properly. In 2 for instance, they give too much importance to the plots and story related to the characters than the story related to the Reapers and Collectors.
 

statham

Member

Enduin

No bald cap? Lies!
Because BioWare didn't think of it until ME2 :p (I don't know).

I was going to say they could just be the last species the Reapers successfully Reaperduced with, but then I remember the derelict Reaper from the IFF mission was "killed" some 47 million years ago so thats no good. Maybe the reapers we know of are just shells? The reaper baby wasnt very big, nowhere near the size of Sovereign or even the smaller Reapers we've seen in the Demo and trailers, like the one that at tend of the demo that blows up the transport ships. So maybe they go inside them...

In all likelihood both players and BioWare probably want to forget the Reaper baby and just go with the idea that all Reaperduced species just end up looking like those squids no matter what. Or they'll throw out some half baked excuse that the Reaper baby was an experiment at seeing if a human styled Reaper would be better and the Squid Reaper form was the last great species the Reapers reaperduced with and have subsequently based their later reaperductions on because its somehow superior in form to other species.
 

Wiggum2007

Junior Member
The thing is that they do not kill all organic life. If they did, humans wouldnt even exist since they would have killed our ancestors.

Well I think that's just a side effect of boiling down the plot so far into a short paragraph synopsis, it's just getting the basic set-up across so of course specific details of plot points will be missing.
 
People need to have some realistic expectations here. How the hell would anyone suggest the Reapers be defeated then? There HAS to be some type of superior weaponry or viral attack or SOME weakness...there are only so many ways people.....

Ships took down one Reaper. If all of the races united, I could buy one huge attack on the Reapers being successful. There's an awful lot of ships in the universe.

Something like that would be more satisfying to me rather than some convenient weapon, unless it was explained REALLY well.
 

Muerte_X

Member
I played it on the 360 and the PC, didn't bother trying the PS3 version. I'll be picking up the 360 version as I've played the last 2 games on it.


I will say though, the PC demo was horrible without an internet connection. My internet went down for a bit last night and the game felt compelled to remind me I couldn't access online content about every 10 seconds. Besides interrupting the game, it put the audio off sync in the cutscenes. I don't think I would buy the PC version based on that alone it was so annoying.
 

LiK

Member
I'm going to get the 360 version since the PC doesn't support pad, but the PS3 version still looks very playable and if I only had a ps3 I would still pick this up.
ME2 for PS3 played fine from what I remember so hopefully it's just a shoddy demo.
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I disagree, when you finally confront Sovereign on Virmire he makes it clear to you that reapers are cold machines and that they crush weak organic life forms like humans. Moreover, no one tell you they are organic at all in the first game. Even when you get to the Prothean AI there is no mention of this. The hypothesis they throw at you is that they wipe out civilizations before they are advanced enough to fight back. I mean sure, you can say he was bluffing or lying but it's handled extremely poorly in the second one where no one questions that at all. You have to accept EDI's analysis saying that the hybrid between protheans and humans failed and they became collectors instead because EDI said so.

This still isn't a good enough excuse, as the evidence is weighted on a) a species doing the harvesting, and b) a species that was destroyed by the harvest.

The excuse that the Reapers kill everything just because is something I cant give a slither of credit or plausibility to. It destroys any shroud of mystery to their purpose and goals, and excuses them away as space monsters. That is what I'd call bad writing, and I still don't feel anything of significance in ME2 conflicts with ME1's established Reaper canon.

I wouldn't say these were rushed but were placed in the background instead. For once, the Keepers's role in the Reapers' plan is well explained in the first game. You get hints about how they are older than all of the races in the citadel and that they act as the citadel's guardian. Moreover, there is a sidequest in the game where you get to learn more about the Keepers and their mystery by scanning them. There is some content there and at least it pays off in the game. When all hell break lose in the end, it makes sense as everything is introduced properly. The prothean AI explains the role of the Keepers and the Citadel then you have to act quickly to stop it.

I don't disagree with this, but it's not the point I was making.

In comparison, in ME2 you simply do a bunch of recruitment missions until something happens with the Collector and EDI eventually tell you that they are indeed Protheans. Delivery is far worse. It seems that you reach a point where they need to spice up everything by telling you this. It's also terrible that the Prothean AI had nothing to say about this. The war is supposed to have lasted for years and they had no idea about this?

See above. Though the Prothean AI would really have no knowledge of this, nor would be expected to have knowledge. Ilos remained Reaper free the entire time.
 

Wiggum2007

Junior Member
Ships took down one Reaper. If all of the races united, I could buy one huge attack on the Reapers being successful. There's an awful lot of ships in the universe.

Something like that would be more satisfying to me rather than some convenient weapon, unless it was explained REALLY well.

The Reaper fleet consists of thousands of massive dreadnaughts, I don't think the combined fleets of all the races run anywhere close to that. For example, according to the mass effect wiki the largest military fleet in the galaxy, the Turians, has 39 dreadnaughts. Humans have 8. And obviously these are nowhere near as powerful as reapers. As silly as some deus ex machina solution could potentially be, I'd take that over the combined fleets of the citadel races etc. being able to stand any sort of chance.
 

LiK

Member
ok, hi-res textures is real. I was wrong. they responded to my question about it.

@masseffect @likchan The final edition of the game will have hi-res textures included in it, no additional pack will be required to download.
 

lotrfan

Neo Member
The thing is that they do not kill all organic life. If they did, humans wouldnt even exist since they would have killed our ancestors.
Even from the first game I always understood that they mean “all intelligent life form”. Otherwise like you said nothing would be able to “come into being” and a advance enough in just 50 thousand years. Besides it also wouldn’t make sense because they want all advanced species to develop along their technology thus implying the need or want of only technologically advanced species.
 
The Reaper fleet consists of thousands of massive dreadnaughts, I don't think the combined fleets of all the races run anywhere close to that. For example, according to the mass effect wiki the largest military fleet in the galaxy, the Turians, has 39 dreadnaughts. Humans have 8. And obviously these are nowhere near as powerful as reapers. As silly as some deus ex machina solution could potentially be, I'd take that over the combined fleets of the citadel races etc. being able to stand any sort of chance.

That's really not a lot of ships, is it?

Okay, well if that's the odds, I agree. I always imagined there were thousands of ships out there that could combat them...
 

Bisnic

Really Really Exciting Member!
ok, hi-res textures is real. I was wrong. they responded to my question about it.

I still dont expect to see hi-res textures of the same level as... say Batman Arkham City.

Hopefully they'll prove me wrong, but i'm not going to give myself false hopes.
 

Owzers

Member
It's hard to take people serious when they say the PS3 demo was "fine". It's like reading people say how Blighttown in Dark Souls frame rate wasn't bad.
 

Vamphuntr

Member
See above. Though the Prothean AI would really have no knowledge of this, nor would be expected to have knowledge. Ilos remained Reaper free the entire time.

So a galaxy wide empire had no idea what was going on the whole time in their colony. I was under the impression that the Protheans were so technology advanced that even some of their artifacts are impossible to understand by recent alien races. For instance, the one on Eden Prime even transfers knowledge directly to your mind. They are able to store information in artifacts about the attacks, build an advanced AI that can hold a conversation in english even if that language didn't exist in the Protheans' era but can't communicate with the rest of their empire?

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
So a galaxy wide empire had no idea what was going on the whole time in their colony. I was under the impression that the Protheans were so technology advanced that even some of their artifacts are impossible to understand by recent alien races. For instance, the one on Eden Prime even transfers knowledge directly to your mind. They are able to store information in artifacts about the attacks, build an advanced AI that can hold a conversation in english even if that language didn't exist in the Protheans' era but can't communicate with the rest of their empire?

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

The Protheans were cut off via Reaper controlled relays, and used their beacons to communicate. Ilos specifically went completely silent to prevent detection by Reapers. On top of this, there's no way to know how long it would take for the Reapers to fully recommission a species to suit their purpose. One would assume this would happen after said species had been harvested.

I simply don't buy the argument at the Protheans would know all things Reapers, and because this wasn't explicitly mentioned in ME1 it must be a retcon because it was explained in ME2.

EatChildren, whatcha think?

Nah. Maybe when BioWare actually confirm and explain the difference. Until then it's PR junk.
 
But what i dont get is that, other than the Terminator Reaper made of squished humans, every other Reapers looks the same. If they really harvest species to reproduce, then why do they all look the same, or are humans a special case?(lol)

I think the idea was that the terminator would "pilot" a cuttlefish like the other reapers.
Maybe in ME3 there will be a boss battle were a reaper is partially defeated and we get to see a glimpse at some other ancient race.

But that's probably asking a bit much of Bioware
 

Tookay

Member
People need to have some realistic expectations here. How the hell would anyone suggest the Reapers be defeated then? There HAS to be some type of superior weaponry or viral attack or SOME weakness...there are only so many ways people.....

Actually, you're right. They've written the Reapers to be too powerful and numerous for a deus ex machina not to happen. I guess I wish they hadn't written them that way in the first place.
 

LiK

Member
The Protheans were cut off via Reaper controlled relays, and used their beacons to communicate. Ilos specifically went completely silent to prevent detection by Reapers. On top of this, there's no way to know how long it would take for the Reapers to fully recommission a species to suit their purpose. One would assume this would happen after said species had been harvested.

I simply don't buy the argument at the Protheans would know all things Reapers, and because this wasn't explicitly mentioned in ME1 it must be a retcon because it was explained in ME2.



Nah. Maybe when BioWare actually confirm and explain the difference. Until then it's PR junk.
yea, no specifics so far
 
Ships took down one Reaper. If all of the races united, I could buy one huge attack on the Reapers being successful. There's an awful lot of ships in the universe.

Something like that would be more satisfying to me rather than some convenient weapon, unless it was explained REALLY well.

Well, in the recently released trailers we
do see whole fleets of different species taking on Reapers in a giant space battle.
 
In the Revelation Space series the reason the machines harvested all intelligent life was pretty cool, although not really understandable by humans due to the timespan of the reason. From wikipedia:

The chronology of the Revelation Space universe extends to roughly one billion years into the past, when the "Dawn War" — a galaxy-spanning conflict over the availability of various natural resources — resulted in almost all sentient life in the galaxy being wiped out.One race of survivors, later termed the Inhibitors, having converted itself to machine form, predicted that the impending Andromeda–Milky Way collision, roughly 3 billion years in our future, may severely damage the capacity of either galaxy to support life. Consequently, they planned to adjust the positions of stars in order to limit the damage the collision would cause. Also central to the Inhibitor project was the eradication of all species above a certain technological level until the crisis was over (as they believed no organic species would be capable of co-operating on such a large-scale project).

Spoilered just to be sure, in case somebody is reading the series or planning to do it. But im thinking the Reapers are going to end up something close to that (
probably something like culling spacefaring races to allow new races to develop. Or they harvest races because its the only way to can keep their race alive, like the baby reaper
).
 
Actually, you're right. They've written the Reapers to be too powerful and numerous for a deus ex machina not to happen. I guess I wish they hadn't written them that way in the first place.

There's no DEM so don't worry
Instead there's a really well explained plot device
 

Bisnic

Really Really Exciting Member!
This Mass Effect Twitter page is straight up ignoring all PS3 framerate questions. Pfft.

Is there anyone asking questions about running animations? :lol

I know that is one thing that has little chance of being improved in the final game.
 
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