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I did a juice fast a while back, lost several pounds, felt invigorated. The important thing though is maintaining a healthy diet afterwards, otherwise you're wasting your time.
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Vegetable juice fasting: anyone inspired by "Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead"
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Well, the thing is... this isn't a fast.
Occasional fasting is fine, and even a good thing depending on your situation. Going on a mid-term diet where you consume nothing but juice is idiotic.
Indeed!
Pixel Pete
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oh, ok. thanks, it sounds better now
Hey, stop giving my home boys animal fats a bad wrap. As long as it's not oxidized, animals fats are king. Dietary cholesterol, saturated fats, bring em on!
Why do it if you don't have to?
Eating better and working out an hour a day 3 days a week is not hard.
Fasting really isn't a very good way to achieve weight loss.
1. You'll cut your body off from a lot of nutrients, (such as protein) which are required to maintain muscle mass and good health.
2. Metabolic damage.
3. Does not instill sustainable lifestyle changes.
4. I find it hard to believe that a long juicing period will be good for you mentally while on it.
Instead do something less silly than juicing (or cleanses, which don't even work; the body's amazing at cleaning itself out), such as moderating your carb and calorie intake, eating more fresh, unprocessed food and exercising regularly.
1. You'll cut your body off from a lot of nutrients, (such as protein) which are required to maintain muscle mass and good health.
2. Metabolic damage.
3. Does not instill sustainable lifestyle changes.
4. I find it hard to believe that a long juicing period will be good for you mentally while on it.
Instead do something less silly than juicing (or cleanses, which don't even work; the body's amazing at cleaning itself out), such as moderating your carb and calorie intake, eating more fresh, unprocessed food and exercising regularly.
Oh boy...
OP, before you do anything, try giving this a watch: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Fat_Head/70115017?trkid=2361637
While I don't 100% agree with everything Naughton says, Fat Head is one of the best documentaries on the topic of weight loss and overall health. Pay close attention to the second half in particular, which is where he dives into the science behind it all.
OP, before you do anything, try giving this a watch: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Fat_Head/70115017?trkid=2361637
While I don't 100% agree with everything Naughton says, Fat Head is one of the best documentaries on the topic of weight loss and overall health. Pay close attention to the second half in particular, which is where he dives into the science behind it all.
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Hey for those of you who actually saw the movie, here is a link to Phil's facebook page. I am convinced that random encounter with that Australian guy in a truck stop parking lot saved his life. The guy is an inspiration.
Hey for those of you who actually saw the movie, here is a link to Phil's facebook page. I am convinced that random encounter with that Australian guy in a truck stop parking lot saved his life. The guy is an inspiration.
Pixel Pete
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Take it one step further and just ignore calories altogether. Calories are not created equal, so counting them is pointless.
Dark Stalkers
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How is it a fast if you're consuming calories?
dr3upmushroom
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Especially in cases like this, how exactly is "fasting" different than anorexia? I went through a period a few years ago where I was really depressed and started eating a small meal a day, I lost a bunch of weight (close to 50 pounds) over the course of a few months but it totally wrecked my metabolism. Took a long time of eating right, exercising, and basically learning to be healthier to start feeling normal again.
I feel like if you're already healthy these things might be interesting but for people who eat shit and just want an easy way to shed weight quickly it's probably not the best idea. Granted I'm no doctor.
Pixel Pete
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we first all need to agree on what is good nutrition. Not getting that right has the biggest impact, as losing weight is 80% nutrition and 20% exercise (if not less)
Nutrition and Exercise is something they do in the movie. Exercise plays a big role. How is that a gimmick?
Dr.Guru of Peru
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Useless without exercise. Even with exercise, its not close to being sustainable.
nVidiot_Whore
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Well.. for the purpose of weight loss..
I'm not an anti-saturated fat person.
But there's also more to health than weight.. the way most fatty animals are cooked tends to produce nitrites and other carcinogens.
IMO, you are better off eating leaner meats that are sauteed or baked, than the grilled/broiled variety.. for long term health at least.
And I've at least found personally, for "dieting".. they certainly don't help.
*shrug*
Either way, remove that part of my advice and move on..
Trent Strong
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Exactly. Some native americans would fast for days at a time, while walking all day alone through the wilderness until they got to the point of hallucinating. There's nothing wrong with manning up and going without food for a while, jeez.
Ya that guy was going to die within 5 years max.
This from that Taubes book? The book's off, he uses self-reported calorie intake among the obese and non-obese to make the argument that calories don't matter. It's been shown over and over that fat people tend to under-report calorie intake, while slim people are pretty much spot on. Calories consumed and weight gain/loss are very highly correlated. From what I can tell body composition is affected by macros, but weight loss under keto dieting is so successful because 1) higher protein intake tends to make people get full and stay full longer, resulting in lower calorie consumption with relative ease; 2) eliminating the most common macro (carbs) is going to cut calories, and 3) you get water weight loss in the first week from keto dieting. After that the weight loss is pretty much exactly spot on with your calorie restriction under the diet. Whatever works for you!
Don't get me wrong, the book makes some interesting arguments but I wouldn't use it as dogma.
Trent Strong
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If you burn more calories than you eat, you will lose weight. Period. Counting calories is probably the most important thing you can do.
Exactly.
Barkley's Justice
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hah I laughed
Good. More leather for me.
Pixel Pete
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Don't worry, I won't, and I don't. I didn't take it from Taubes book.
NobleXenon
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What's wrong with animal products and what's wrong with my statement?
Posting the equivalent of "omgz da babies" as a reply is pretty childish.
To those that haven't watched the doc, they don't even advise people to go 60 days like the guy that made this did. In fact, they do tell you to see a doctor before even attempting this, and it, like any proper fast, is meant as a sort of reset button of sorts and as a lead-in to healthier eating habits (which is all covered in the movie).
Pixel Pete
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I'm not necessarily disagreeing with this in it's entirety, it's just a little flawed when some of those calories don't contribute to weight gain on nearly the same level as others.
Forks over knives isn't a documentary any more than Nostradamus stuff on Discovery network.
triplestation
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I live off a diet of mostly vegetables and little meat (mostly fish meat). Spicy vegetable dishes make it effortless to keep up. I thank god for south asian cuisine. Along with this, I make green shakes which are basically blended greens with fruits. One day I'll blend 2 cups of kale with a bunch of fruits. Another day, spinach. Etc. etc.
Don't listen to US media. Just observe the rest of the world. Several countries and cultures both eat significantly more and significantly less animal products than the United States. It doesn't correlate to obesity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_paradox
France has like 1/4 the obese and overweight people as a percentage of society. CLEARLY animal products do not cause obesity, or at least not in any direct way.
Personally I think the food reward hypothesis has the most consistent data to support it as a cause of obesity.
Mammoth Jones
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I don't know jack shit about nutrition.
Is a bowl of raisin bran a healthy breakfast? TV tells me it is. Can I get an answer without reading 40 books about health?
How about a bowl of oatmeal? Made with water, not milk. No sugar or honey or artificial sweeteners?
Is a salad ok for lunch with a baloney sammich w/ mustard and a slice of cheese ok?
Dry roasted peanuts ok for a snack?
What's a healthy drink besides water?
These are the types of questions many people have that don't know jack shit about nutrition?
Is a bowl of raisin bran a healthy breakfast? TV tells me it is. Can I get an answer without reading 40 books about health?
How about a bowl of oatmeal? Made with water, not milk. No sugar or honey or artificial sweeteners?
Is a salad ok for lunch with a baloney sammich w/ mustard and a slice of cheese ok?
Dry roasted peanuts ok for a snack?
What's a healthy drink besides water?
These are the types of questions many people have that don't know jack shit about nutrition?
Mammoth Jones
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So wait, you'd just blend kale and what type of fruit? Just those two ingredients? Kale and 1 fruit?
Traditional foods made from fruits, vegetables, meats, nuts, and certain grains are healthy.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
It's definitely the sane and sustainable way.
NobleXenon
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Interesting, I didn't know that. I usually eat my muscle meats rare and organ meats blue-rare anyways.
Pixel Pete
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This'll be fun!
I personally just avoid grains. Bran, oatmeal, sandwiches, bread in general, all avoid. Not entirely, because I don't want to go insane, but when there's an alternative, I take it.
Nuts are great! peanuts less so than other nuts like almonds for example.
drinks besides water? tea is good, (good) coffee in moderation is good. Water is king.
Thats my take anyway.
nVidiot_Whore
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I said NITRITE.. not NITRATES.
Nitrates convert into nitrites during certain cooking processing.. anything involving high heat basically (grilling, broiling.. how fatty meats are often cooked.)
Smoking being the worst of the bunch.. smoking anything produces nitrites I believe.
So yes, it DOES MATTER where you get your nitrates from.. because you don't broil spinach, it's not a cancer risk.
http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/...e-found-in-and-why-you-want-to-avoid-them.htm
I watch out for them because they are a trigger for my cluster headaches.
If I eat some smoked salmon, I'm likely to wake up in the middle of the night with a horrifying headache.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
What decade are you in? Have you never heard of hormones before?
Tea, without sweeteners. I'm also off caffeine, so I get decaf bags in bulk and brew pitchers of iced tea (since I can't find bottled decaf anywhere). I hate straight water, so it's nice to have something else to drink while I work out.
triplestation
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Whatever fruits you want. WHATEVER YOU WANT MAN.
I forgot to mention I also eat a good bit of grains. I love grains. I don't know how low carbers do it.
Pixel Pete
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my body learned not to crave them as much. Also I get bad acid reflux if I indulge too much on grains. Also my threshold for sweet has lowered significantly.
also on the tea/coffee thing, I took Stephen Fry's advice. Coffee tastes so much better without sugar.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I hate straight water too, but nothing compares.
Mr. Enigma
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Please do not tell me you are seriously considering that gastric bypass surgery when you're only fucking 245 at 5'10''. If so, holy shit.
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Sounds pretty damn awful.
Eat meat, eggs and vegetables until you're full (seasoned just about however you want) and lose weight. This means you can have bacon, eggs and sausage for breakfast. Big ass salads with grilled chicken smothered in Ranch or Bleu Cheese dressing (full fat, don't get low fat) and nice juicy steaks with vegetables with cheese melted on top.
Cut soda. Cut bread. Cut juice.
Lose weight. Feel great.
Eat meat, eggs and vegetables until you're full (seasoned just about however you want) and lose weight. This means you can have bacon, eggs and sausage for breakfast. Big ass salads with grilled chicken smothered in Ranch or Bleu Cheese dressing (full fat, don't get low fat) and nice juicy steaks with vegetables with cheese melted on top.
Cut soda. Cut bread. Cut juice.
Lose weight. Feel great.
hockeypuck
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It's not the nitrates themselves, it's the derivative nitrosamines that are more implicated in GI cancers. And I'm not sure why you mention blood pressure, since that really doesn't have any correlation that I know of with GI tumorigenesis.
The proper and only healthy way to lose weight and keep it off and change your lifestyle:
1. You buy all your food at the grocery store and make it yourself. Stop eating out with the exception of a few times a month. Make well balanced meals that are high in protein, veggies, with some carbs thrown in.
2. Eat healthy snacks such as fruits and veggies.
3. Get your ass in the gym, go running, walking, swimming, bike riding....do anything involving exercise 4-5 times a week.
Profit.
1. You buy all your food at the grocery store and make it yourself. Stop eating out with the exception of a few times a month. Make well balanced meals that are high in protein, veggies, with some carbs thrown in.
2. Eat healthy snacks such as fruits and veggies.
3. Get your ass in the gym, go running, walking, swimming, bike riding....do anything involving exercise 4-5 times a week.
Profit.
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