ClovingWestbrook
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I agree with others. We gave Arkam hell until he was verified and even then it continued. Ideaman should be held to the same standard. Doesn't matter if what he is reporting is positive or not.
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Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!
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slick7rick
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i just want to know how wii virtual console purchases will be transferred to the wii u. i really want to buy the old school mario games but i don't want to end up wasting my $20 and have to buy them again on the new system.
GameplayWhore
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With all the overhyping that's been going on, I couldn't care less if there were 16GB of memory in the system, but I'll probably be disappointed if the screen doesn't magically have that electrostatic feedbackamajig.
Which is good, because I need to properly feed my lust/rage relationship with Nintendo.
AceBandage
Banned
The main difference was how Arkam presented his information, and the fact that he would then use it as a platform to basically shit on Nintendo.
slick7rick
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real talk, mario galaxy (to me) is so much more aesthetically pleasing than most of my ps3 games, if not all.
Thunder Monkey
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I've actually been biting my tongue since he showed up.
At the outset I figured he'd been confirmed to have some level of info since everyone was getting really excited, and I went back and read to see... nothing.
Don't take this the wrong way IdeaMan. I appreciate how forthright you've been, but I don't tend to trust anyone until they give me a reason to. Right now, you haven't given me anything nebulous let alone concrete.
I may not have thought Arkams outlook was possible given the hardware we're sure is going into WiiU, but I find it hard to accept the inverse either without credentials.
The difference is that arkam was reporting info that directly contradicted some of the things we had been hearing all the way back to last E3. I agree that we should remain skeptical over all rumors, but at least ideaman's claims fall roughly in line with what people have been estimating for some time now. He could very well be playing us all for chumps, it's true, but at least he's not contradicting anything we already know. The hostility towards arkam had as much to do with the content of his statements as it did with the fact that some people just simply didn't want to hear it.
In any case, 2GB does seem overly optimistic in my opinion.
In any case, 2GB does seem overly optimistic in my opinion.
pieatorium
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Maybe I missed that bit? I was away for the main Arkham stuff but from my search of the thread I think the worst I saw him say is that they were having trouble porting some 360 games or something similar. And he said it pretty much like that and not any fanboyish stuff that I saw and it was only WiiU related and not Nintendo.
StreetsAhead
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I agree with you whole heartedly (although, I'll admit my experience with PS360 is much more limited than it was the previous gen).
However beautiful it is, though, the technical limitations are obvious, especially in Dolphin shots.
-Pyromaniac-
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Also Ark was doing driveby comments which isn't the best way to go about it. Stick around, explain yourself, go into more detail, etc...not surprised he got a lot of negativity.
Gamer @ Heart
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How much would be a safe bet for the OS to use? Double the 360s 32mb maybe? Or do they go like 100 and work back to see what they can spare for developers? The 3DS already has what feels like more than it needs, but I guess that's mostly for the browser which the wii u will no doubt be able to do in game as well.
I think the reason it's easier to believe IdeaMan is because he isn't saying anythinig radical. Two times as powerful as 360, 1GB RAM at least, some things will be more powerful some will not, aren't most of these statements things that were already believed before he showed up?
Even so, I do think it would be useful to have some sort of confirmation.
I will say, the hooplah going on in this thread due to his posts and others had made it very hard to keep up. I used to be able to skim pretty much every page. Now I'm falling behind. :/
Even so, I do think it would be useful to have some sort of confirmation.
I will say, the hooplah going on in this thread due to his posts and others had made it very hard to keep up. I used to be able to skim pretty much every page. Now I'm falling behind. :/
GameplayWhore
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This is how I remember it as well. But I never make boasts regarding my own memory. Perhaps he got defensive later on but was more straightforward at the start?
No, he's french, they just have their own way of saying/doing things.
Not pretentious, passionate. Now kiss him for 2GB bitches!
GameplayWhore
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IM isn't really going into any real level of detail. Both of them were being vague, and in both cases it was for a reason. Whether that reason is protecting themselves/others or trolling is up to the reader to suspect, of course.
Has IdeaMan been deeply engaged in the thread? I must admit that I skimmed the last several pages.
Only if his head has 2GB RAM and a touch-feedback screen.
I kind of hope that Nintendo might consider using a unified Virtual Console Channel with the WiiU, maybe with the option of placing game shortcuts on the main menu. The SD card basically served a similar purpose on the Wii, but the 3DS doesn't have that option. My OCDish nature just wishes that we could one unified Channel for things like the Virtual Console and DSi/Wii/UWare. I'm tempted to mock something up to explain what I mean, but I'm not good at graphics.
What bothers me is that he sounds like Stan Lee.
Holy mackerel friends, my immaculate, exclusive sources have revealed the wondrous Wii U will have a riproaring, rootin' tootin' >1GM RAM. How much does it exceed expectations? You'll have to stay tuned for my new exciting post in WII U SPECULATION 2! Excelsior!
Fourth Storm
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Haha, I dunno. Sounds like he could be an ex game journalist. I remember the glory days of Diehard Gamefan. Alas, no longer!
Edit: Just as some of lherre's and Arkham's info sounded like it came from some slightly disgruntled devs who had their own idea of what Wii U should be. Devs are people too, and just as on this board, opinions of what constitutes a proper next-gen upgrade willy vary. So I don't doubt the sincerity of anyone who comes forward w/ believable info really. I don't have much to lose.
We also have to remember how varied the term "game journalist" can be as well. Some of them are fantastic and professional and fair, while others are shrill and tilted and nigh-indistinguishable from company spokesmen.
pieatorium
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Don't forget that he's French. We're some of the most pretentious asshats on the planet next to Americans.
bgassassin
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The only real problem with Arkam was that he laid blame on the dev kit for their game having to be scaled back. Though when he talked about 1GB he meant in the dev kit, not the final. Sounded like his company had an earlier kit.
Oh yeah. Forgot just the quick.
AceBandage
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Must have been super early if it had half what lherre's has.
Arkam was saying 360 ports would have to be stepped down in quality, which flew in the face of everything we had heard up until that point. We told him he should get verified, and he did. BG pointed out that he said his info was based off of an older dev kit, which then made more sense. (I missed out on the shitstorm of posts calling him a troll. That wasn't our best moment in this thread.)
As for IdeaMan, I don't know whether to believe his story or not, but nothing he has said is all that controversial. I'm not sure how he could get verified since he doesn't work in the industry at the moment, but if he can, then he should.
In both cases we're talking about people who, at best, have second hand knowledge about the system. We don't know the depth of the conversations they had, nor the level of involvement of the folks they spoke with. So it's best to take it all with a grain of salt. I've seen more than a few people make bogus claims before E3.
Damn, IdeaMan's getting ripped apart here. Everything said has to be taken with a grain of salt, but considering how much he seems to be sharing that's inline with the majority of the expectations most posters here have for the system, I guess a lot of folks would fall in line and ask for a bit more.
I probably sound like I'm getting led on myself, but keeping discretion handy has done me wonders so far and I'm not about to stop doing so as anything and everything is subject to change until this console is under my television set playing myStarTropics Pikmin 3.
That being said, I don't know if it's cultural differences in speech or not, but thanks thread for making me think that he's being a bit conceited with this. XD
I have a horrible inability to judge people based on posting/speech habits just because I feel like everything has its own merit.
I probably sound like I'm getting led on myself, but keeping discretion handy has done me wonders so far and I'm not about to stop doing so as anything and everything is subject to change until this console is under my television set playing my
That being said, I don't know if it's cultural differences in speech or not, but thanks thread for making me think that he's being a bit conceited with this. XD
I have a horrible inability to judge people based on posting/speech habits just because I feel like everything has its own merit.
pieatorium
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Can you point out the post that arkam used what he posted as a platform to shit on Nintendo like you said earlier, I am really intrigued if I missed that part or if you are just being hyperbolic as usual and then ignoring responses that don't match with your beleifs.
bgassassin
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Less than half actually, but remember the Cafe rumors? That's what he essentially described.
AceBandage
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bgassassin
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There was nothing bogus about Weinerpoop. Wait, I can't remember if that was claimed or found.
His writing style does remind me of a French Nintendo 64-centric magazine that was around in the 90s.
AceBandage
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There was nothing bogus about Weinerpoop. Wait, I can't remember if that was claimed or found.
It appeared in the search when looking for Project Cafe.
Fourth Storm
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The only real problem with Arkam was that he laid blame on the dev kit for their game having to be scaled back. Though when he talked about 1GB he meant in the dev kit, not the final. Sounded like his company had an earlier kit.
Oh yeah. Forgot just the quick.
The way lherre worded it, it sounded like Nintendo had two kits out around the same time. One with 1 GB target spec and the other some unknown higher amount. Ideaman states that his RAM amount is based on specs from Nintendo of the target final amount as of then. Thus, that amount may or may not have appeared in dev kits up until that point.
I believe. But I think the tradeoff will be GDDR3 and a "slow" 128 bit bus, but w/ 3x the L2 cache as 360's tri-core chip and the 32MB eDRAM on the GPU it seems like it might be the type of balanced system Nintendo would put together. No need for super high bandwidth RAM if there is lots of waiting around on the other ends. Considering how far they've stripped down that Power7 chip, anything more than around 25 GB/s might be a waste.
There was nothing bogus about Weinerpoop. Wait, I can't remember if that was claimed or found.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
EDIT: I'm not sure, either. I coulda sworn I checked it out myself, but it all gets hazy when I try to think back to those days.
pieatorium
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I'd call that a fair comment from him since in response to you basically calling him a liar.
GameplayWhore
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That's not what's happening at all. The responses here have ranged from "OHGODORGASMTIME!!!!!" to "Hmmm, this sounds a bit too optimistic to believe, and we're obviously being a bit played for drama, so perhaps we should wait until IdeaMan has been confirmed as per normal procedure".
There's no ripping apart in that range at all. Ark, now he was torn to shreds.
AceBandage
Banned
No, I said he was either lying or being fed false information.
Didn't actually mean it like that, but but true nonetheless. We put Arkam through the same process so it's only fair.
sounds like someone who is frustrated about working with them. can't blame him there.
GameplayWhore
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Heh, sorry for misreading you.
It's actually really cool that we have the "confirmed by a mod" procedure at all. It doesn't guarantee correct information, but it does dramatically decrease the chances of being trolled.
Even basing his info on older dev kits, I just don't understand how what Arkham said could have ever been true (about having to step down 360 ports). Going as far back as June of last year when the system was first unveiled, Vigil said that the Wii U was more powerful than the 360/PS3.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/06/07/could-project-caf-233-be-the-best-platform-for-darksiders-ii.aspx
GameplayWhore
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Eat crow and apologize? Bah, Jarmel said he'd sacrifice his dick if the next 3DS revision doesn't have a second analog slider. Betting dicks is the new ban bet. Eating crow and apologizing... that's like two gens old!
pieatorium
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So calling him a liar or the people he works with who actually have kits liars.
It's so nice being me and not giving a shit. Which is why I find all the hardware POWAH speculation to be mostly a waste of time.
Sacrificing dicks is unverifiable.
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