Boombloxer
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Read about him before, badass in every way.
Rule/dominate continental Europe, with Britain being the other major world power except one with a colonial empire was his initial dream.
By the time the were in the island battles Japan had very limited resources.. meaning limited air and naval support.
Actually Japanese navy pilots were considered to be way more skilled than their American counterparts...
Japan lost pilots and had no skilled replacements.. and no resources to make too many new aircrafts..
well, not having enough pilots isn't really something i would attribute to limited "resources;" japan had plenty of the resources you need to make pilots (part of the reason their pilots were better was because they made being a pilot tougher). lack of planes certainly is though, although that again took some time to take effect.
Why didn't he want control over Britain?
Men in WWII were a resource. Of course part of it is poor planning for a war and a lack of planes and boats took effect as soon as they were cut off from steel..
Hitler viewed Britain as Germany's Nordic cousins.. He had some sort of odd vision that they would fall in line as soon as they had the Jewish taint lifted from them..
Chiune Sugihara (杉原 千畝 Sugihara Chiune?, 1 January 1900 – 31 July 1986) was a Japanese diplomat who served as Vice-Consul for the Japanese Empire in Lithuania. During World War II, he helped several thousand Jews leave the country by issuing transit visas to Jewish refugees so that they could travel to Japan. Most of the Jews who escaped were refugees from German-occupied Poland or residents of Lithuania. Sugihara wrote travel visas that facilitated the escape of more than 6,000 Jewish refugees to Japanese territory, risking his career and his family's lives. Sugihara had told the refugees to call him "Sempo," the Chinese reading of the characters in his first name, discovering it was much easier for Western people to pronounce.[1] In 1985, Israel honored him as Righteous Among the Nations for his actions.
Some Japanese leaders, such as Captain Inuzuka Koreshige (犬塚 惟重, Colonel Yasue Norihiro (安江 仙弘 and industrialist Aikawa Yoshisuke (鮎川 義介, came to believe that Jewish economic and political power could be harnessed by Japan through controlled immigration, and that such a policy would also ensure favor from the United States through the influence of American Jewry. Although efforts were made to attract Jewish investment and immigrants, the plan was limited by the government's desire not to interfere with its alliance with Nazi Germany. Ultimately it was left up to the world Jewish community to fund the settlements and to supply settlers, and the plan failed to attract a significant long-term population or create the strategic benefits for Japan that had been expected by its originators.
On December 6, 1938, Five ministers council (Prime Minister Fumimaro Konoe, Army Minister Seishirō Itagaki, Navy Minister Mitsumasa Yonai, Foreign Minister Hachirō Arita and Finance Minister Shigeaki Ikeda), which was the highest decision making council, made a decision of prohibiting the expulsion of the Jews in Japan.[2][3]
During World War II, Japan was regarded as a safe refuge from the Holocaust, despite being a part of the Axis and an ally of Germany. During World War II, Jews trying to escape German-occupied Poland could not pass the blockades near the Soviet Union and the Mediterranean Sea and were forced to go through the neutral country of Lithuania (which was occupied by belligerents in June 1940, starting with the Soviet Union, then Germany, and then the Soviet Union again).
Throughout the war, the Japanese government continually rejected requests from the German government to establish anti-Semitic policies. Towards the end, Nazi representatives pressured the Japanese army to devise a plan to exterminate Shanghai's Jewish population, and this pressure eventually became known to the Jewish community's leadership. However, the Japanese had no intention of further provoking the anger of the Allies, and thus delayed the German request for a time, eventually rejecting it entirely.
I've always been tremendously fascinated by Japanese such as Chiune Sugihara who went to great lengths to protect Jews from their own ally.
I would like to contribute the greatest fighter plane ever created:
The P51D Mustang. The plane was a thing of beauty and openly represented the Allied powers of Great Britian and the United States. When the mustang was orginally introduced to the RAF, its pilots felt it was a great plane but underpowered. So after several modifications it evolved into the P51D. While the base plane was designed in the U.S. the engine was a British built Rolls Royce engine that was used in the Spitfire.
It finally gave the Allied powers a long range escort fighter for the Lancaster and B17 Flying Fortress bombing squads over Germany. Which prompted this awesome quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_P-51_Mustang
What if Mussolini wasn't a retard?
TRIVIA QUESTION: What was the first Allied victory of WW2 on land?
(only the weak use Google)
Hitler viewed Britain as Germany's Nordic cousins.. He had some sort of odd vision that they would fall in line as soon as they had the Jewish taint lifted from them..
He also had very cosy relationships with both the UK fascist party and many members of the royal family / aristocracy (notably the heir to throne Edward). He assumed that if Edward took the throne Britain would leave him be and he could take Western Europe.
Many of the "ruling class" in England were experiencing the rise of the middle class and were not fans of ethnic diversity, they probably secretly liked a lot of what he stood for (purity of race etc...).
Many of the "ruling class" in England were experiencing the rise of the middle class and were not fans of ethnic diversity, they probably secretly liked a lot of what he stood for (purity of race etc...).
cosy relationships with many is a bit of an exaggeration, though edward (who was even king briefly) was definitely a fan. and of course, as the quotes perhaps indicate, the "ruling class" had basically been vanquished and weren't in great position to win support for the nazis.
He also had very cosy relationships with both the UK fascist party and many members of the royal family / aristocracy (notably the heir to throne Edward). He assumed that if Edward took the throne Britain would leave him be and he could take Western Europe.
Many of the "ruling class" in England were experiencing the rise of the middle class and were not fans of ethnic diversity, they probably secretly liked a lot of what he stood for (purity of race etc...).
As a general question directed at History or Politics GAF, what do you think the "limit" to German expansion could have been while surviving the war "in-tact"? For example, would there have been a way to restore Germany's pre-WWI borders (with the addition of an integrated Austria) and then "stopping", or would incursions into Eastern Europe to conquer former Prussian territory have been enough to guarantee large scale foreign intervention, which would then necessitate total war with France, UK and (eventually) USA+USSR?
As a general question directed at History or Politics GAF, what do you think the "limit" to German expansion could have been while surviving the war "in-tact"? For example, would there have been a way to restore Germany's pre-WWI borders (with the addition of an integrated Austria) and then "stopping", or would incursions into Eastern Europe to conquer former Prussian territory have been enough to guarantee large scale foreign intervention, which would then necessitate total war with France, UK and (eventually) USA+USSR?
Are you referring to appeasing Hitler? Because as far as I'm aware he simply used borders as an excuse to invade western Europe without British/French intervention
not sure if i'm reading your question right, but germany's prewar borders included alsace-lorraine which they were only going to obtain over france's cold dead body. if you only want to talk about eastern expansion, it's certainly possible to imagine a world where france and britain let hitler take poland, but once poland is taken germany has basically all its old eastern territory back and borders the soviet union.
basically, yes. his comments on the tirol are a nice example of this- he thought the goal of restoring germany to its old borders was unambitious to the point of being dangerous.
This may sound crazy but does anybody think that it may have been not so bad if Hitler won the war? I mean if he did Communism never would have spread and would have killed a lot less than "80-100 million people".
Think about it:
- No Great Leap Forward starvations
- No Pol Pot
- etc.
the problem was more italy than mussolini.
(see: how well italy fought in world war i)
Sorry but no The Messerschmitt Me 262 was by far the best WWII fighter plane. Of course the numbers and the time it was introduced didn't affected much the course of the war but it was a great plane. Also the Me 262 influenced the designs of post-war aircraft.
You sure about this? Didn't these models have a lot of faults and such being first-gen jet fighters?
Are you referring to appeasing Hitler? Because as far as I'm aware he simply used borders as an excuse to invade western Europe without British/French intervention
The thing about having its own atmosphere is written in Albert Speer's (the architect's) autobiography . I can't recall whether he also discussed the acoustic issue, but the Wikipedia article discusses both.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkshalle#Possible_architectural_problems
for trotsky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_One_Country this debate should explain it well enough- trotsky wanted to export communism to other countries as soon as possible. on domestic policy, much of what stalin was most criticized for was what lenin was doing from the beginning.
for stalin, stalin rose to where he did by aping lenin's positions whenever possible. the main difference was that lenin was in control during only the initial period.
Rule/dominate continental Europe, with Britain being the other major world power except one with a colonial empire was his initial dream.
Patton is an army?
When I saw this I figured this must be a really really old thread that had been bumped...
should I start working on the World War III OT
I've lost count of the number of books I've read on WWII; it's an interest of mine, to say the least.
What always blows my mind is that, if Hitler hasn't turned into a moron, he had a good chance of succeeding.
Fascinating topic! I was a history major at UW and have taken almost every class offered there on WW2. I also over the years have read almost anything I could get my hands on about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. One of the classes that I took was about the history of the atomic bomb. The book, "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" is a must read for anyone really interested in a complete history of the bombs, the people involved politically and scientifically, and the the usage of said bombs on Japan and later.
A couple of interesting things about the bombings in Japan (from the book):
1. As early as 1943, those highest in the US had planned on dropping the bombs on Japan. Before they were developed, and as the war still raged on in Europe, the plan was to drop the bombs on Japan only. The book doesn't necessarily explain why, which is one reason why I like it, but it makes you wonder why it was ok to experiment on the Japanese but not the Nazis...
hitler was always a moron
his elite posse of commanders were pretty much responsible for the military battle victories
many of those commanders thought a russian invasion was batshit insane but hitler wouldn't listen
hitler was always a moron
his elite posse of commanders were pretty much responsible for the military battle victories
many of those commanders thought a russian invasion was batshit insane but hitler wouldn't listen
Yeah it was a mistake as long as Britian was in the fight. If Hitler would've went through with Sea Lion, I think Hitler would've been in a better position. He didn't though and the allies opened up three fronts on Hitler and Germany was doomed.
Sorry but no The Messerschmitt Me 262 was by far the best WWII fighter plane.
You sure about this? Didn't these models have a lot of faults and such being first-gen jet fighters?
I'd be hard pressed to call a plane which in no way affected the outcome of the war the "best". It may have won the tale of the tape, but it contributed nothing to Germany's war machine.
True! I agree 100% Still, if you can pass beyond that you have one amazing plane. If it enter sooner in the war i was probably speaking German by now
Yeah it was a mistake as long as Britian was in the fight. If Hitler would've went through with Sea Lion, I think Hitler would've been in a better position. He didn't though and the allies opened up three fronts on Hitler and Germany was doomed.
The Germans had no specialised landing craft, and had to rely primarily on river barges to lift troops and supplies for the landing. This would have limited the quantity of artillery and tanks that could be transported and restricted operations to times of good weather. The barges were not designed for use in open sea and even in almost perfect conditions, they would have been slow and vulnerable to attack. There were also not enough barges to transport the first invasion wave nor the following waves with their equipment. The Germans would have needed to immediately capture a port, an unlikely circumstance considering the strength of the British coastal defences around the south-eastern harbours at that time.
There was no way they could have been able to succeed if they didn't control the airspace around the channel (not to mention the threat of the Royal Navy). When they lost the Battle of Britain they lost their ability to invade. It also didn't help that they lacked sufficient landing craft to transport their troops.
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Also seems questionable to me that they could have protected any invasion fleet from the Royal Navy.