Riposte
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But does it play amazingly?
It sure has a lot of competition, such all of the great 2D platformers Japan has given us with impeccable level design.
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Fez's dev to japanese developers: "your games just suck"
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But does it play amazingly?
It sure has a lot of competition, such all of the great 2D platformers Japan has given us with impeccable level design.
Visualante2
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You can't really hold it against them. A lot of console indies literally have no understanding of the PC market place. Built up entirely of Kotaku headlines and myths. We just have to appreciate it when an indie like Team Meat, or Blow really get the value of the PC indie market.
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DXB-KNIGHT
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How dare he insults the providers of 95% of my gaming library 
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I'm amazed that you keep arguing with subjectivity, and I don't know why you're taking it personally. Why do you care if I don't like the same games you like? I apparently value different things in games than you, and I feel like Japanese developers are completely stuck making PS2-and-prior kinds of games. To me, that's wholly undesirable and it has been for many years now
Prophet Steve
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Games from both countries are developed for a different audience. In their country, pretty much every first person shooter is probably deemed as crap. But, a lot of our big budget titles that also ship overseas are also first person shooters.
There are plenty of good games coming from Japan, and there are probably many more there that do not get a release here. If you look at every game we have here in the West, there is a whole lot of crap. Just take a look at the Apple store or Xbox Live Indie Games.
Hot Coldman
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Seriously people inthis industry don't know how good they have it, IDK a single other job where you're allowed to be such a monumental public asshole and still be employed or even have customers after that.
charlequin
Faster, stronger, smarter and has a wife who plays more games than you
charlequin
Faster, stronger, smarter and has a wife who plays more games than you
Nintendo included?
djplaeskool
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If you recognize the subjectivity, then you should realize how off-kilter his statement is. Especially since it's offered with no bounds and no context.
IceDoesntHelp
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Wow...there are no words.
that's my main issue with it.
Professor Fog
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Meh. Still buying Fez.
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I just checked out his Twitter, and holy shit this guy is an arrogant and ignorant prick. didn't even known about his "this is a console game, hurr" comment before this, but damn if he doesn't fulfill my criteria for being an idiotic asshole.
I was actually interested in Fez after Giant Bomb hyped it up on their GDC podcasts (I think it was that at least) from last year. No way I'm buying it now.
I was actually interested in Fez after Giant Bomb hyped it up on their GDC podcasts (I think it was that at least) from last year. No way I'm buying it now.
Riposte
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That's not true there are plenty of Japanese games which:
1) Put story / atmosphere over mechanics
2) Are painfully easy, easy to break
3) Have QTEs and QTE-like sequences out the ass
4) Have DLC
All the tenants of modern AAA+ western game design. You just need to look a little bit harder.
So... 1:1 then?
revolverjgw
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For the seemingly sudden tide of people deciding to skip Fez now due to not wanting to support an asshole, enjoy Sky Island right now for free instead:
Seems like a simple shape with two black dots for eyes and stubby little legs is like the bald space marine of indie games
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
A statement from inside a bubble.
Western devs have stepped up their game in terms of technology and workflow, resulting in great sales.. But Japanese games are still highly original and display a great artistry.
Heaven help me if we didn't have Japanese games... I still, by and large, prefer them.
Western devs have stepped up their game in terms of technology and workflow, resulting in great sales.. But Japanese games are still highly original and display a great artistry.
Heaven help me if we didn't have Japanese games... I still, by and large, prefer them.
The context is in the first post of this thread. He was asked about Japanese game development, made the statement, and then elaborated with criticisms. That's the context
And did you say 'no bounds'? As in... his comments were Unbounded? Full circle baby!
Look, stop trying to use facts and sourced quotes to ruin the Twitter war leading to an eventual slapping match complete with Titantron intros, pyro and Japanese tables I have going on inside my mind. It's totally rad and I will not be denied.
MidgarBlowedUp
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No idea but, it looks fun and enjoyable. I don't know if there are other platformers out there that use the rotating planar (whateveryoucallit) views like in Fez.
nevermind looks like there are.
More or less.
djplaeskool
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oh you.
Quadrangulum
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Your comparison does absolutely nothing to prove most Japanese games suck even if this is somehow true.
This kind of half-assed remark perfectly underscores Aeana's earlier point.
now you're generalizing
I wear fezzes now. Fezzes are cool.
*Amy punches off the fezz*
Or was it River? Can't remember
See You Next Wednesday
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Looks like someone was playing too much Final Fantasy lately lol
Cool, problem is that none of these things are things that I value in games these days
But sure, you win, you're right, Japan is the best
Phonomezer
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It's hard to be "outraged" (or at least pretend to be....) when he's somewhat correct.
The_Darkest_Red
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How do people not yet get that this isn't the point?
Why would you do that?
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I'm guessing GDGF was offed due to the Asperger's comment earlier?
Anyway, I don't think most people would have a problem admitting that American developed games are catching up to Japanese for many reasons (excellently outlined in Charlequin's post). But that's not to say all Japanese games suck. That's a huge generalization. Even worse that it was said in GDC, and yet worse, to someone's face. Constructive criticism, that was not.
Anyway, I don't think most people would have a problem admitting that American developed games are catching up to Japanese for many reasons (excellently outlined in Charlequin's post). But that's not to say all Japanese games suck. That's a huge generalization. Even worse that it was said in GDC, and yet worse, to someone's face. Constructive criticism, that was not.
charlequin
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Nobody cares about the first thing. A bunch of people care about the second thing, because it's overly broad, displays a lack of knowledge, and is full of (sometimes kind of goofy) assumptions. If what you mean is "Japan doesn't make very many open-world games or broshooters!" then, well... that's definitely true, but it's a pretty silly complaint! If what you mean is that Japanese devs were slow to pick up on multiplayer it's an accurate complaint for the generation as a whole but not one that I think applies much just at the moment. If you mean that Japanese games don't have appeal to Western gamers anymore that's true... except for all those exceptions like Nintendo's stuff, or Dark Souls, or Street Fighter IV, or (etc. etc.)
As a very general rule, unless you can back it up with examples and explain with knowledge why the obvious exceptions are outliers, almost any kind of "genre X sucks now" or "region Y is bad at development" or whatever sort of generalization is going to wind up inaccurate and come off kind of ignorant. A great deal of the recent trend of criticizing Japanese development has had exactly this problem.
What an out of date thing to say.
In the last year or so there has been plenty of evidence that Japanese games are on the rise once again. We've seen more quality JP releases lately than the rest of the generation and their technology is finally starting to catch up. They stumbled out of the gate this generation after years of domination, but I don't believe those studios are all just giving up.
What an asshole.
In the last year or so there has been plenty of evidence that Japanese games are on the rise once again. We've seen more quality JP releases lately than the rest of the generation and their technology is finally starting to catch up. They stumbled out of the gate this generation after years of domination, but I don't believe those studios are all just giving up.
What an asshole.
They're not, though.
Riposte
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There are plenty of great European games which are just as ignored as Japan's, especially in the strategy genre and among PC-exclusives.
SpaceDrake
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This is my primary objection to it. You're entitled to your (wrong) opinions, but Fish has soured the atmosphere of the entire conference with his antics. This sort of thing makes the entire Japanese dev community here feel unwelcome, and they've always been a bit leery of this "western" dev conference to begin with.
Plus, Fish criticizing games when he has yet to release one is rather ironic.
So you are okay with the way he did it? Cause you know that's why people are outraged.
What exactly makes you feel he is correct? There have been plenty of high quality Japanese games released in the last year or two.
Kyon, where is that New York Tiffany laughing crazy .gif. I know you have it, gurl. We need it in this thread for this dude is so severely pressed. Ya dig?
Hot Coldman
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Amy throws it in the air and River shoots it, inadvertently stopping them from getting stealth exterminated. It's pretty awesome. That fucking show.
Anyway, this guy should play Sonic Generations, if Sonic Team can make good games nowadays then Japan can't be all that bad
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