maquiladora
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Maybe his source is not very solid? What Vigil are saying is pretty clear here.
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Vigil in 2012: Wii U "has been on par with what we have with the current generation"
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Maybe his source is not very solid? What Vigil are saying is pretty clear here.
Theonik
Member
Vigil are being all Tsundere on us it seems.
If we're to go on games announced for the system, the only thing the Wii U has is third party support. For now, it's going to be current-gen ports but depending on the gap between PS4/720 and the Wii U, the Wii U might be in a better porting position than the Wii when next gen rolls around.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Is there anything more annoying than someone saying "you know" every other word..
Exactly. You're right on the money.
I hope this "Wii U is a current gen console with a touchscreen controller" isn't 100 percent true. I want Wii U to surprise us.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Also, you know, now we know this is just a lazy shit ass port, you know.
Sales -1, you know.
Sales -1, you know.
One would think that people would take the word of a technical director as gospel when it comes to the power of a console.
ah, the technical director. the best kind of director.
How could it not be in a better position? This time they will at least be able to display games in HD.
maquiladora
Member
Regardless of what he said last year, the lead designer is saying today its the same as the current gen, only difference being the unique controller.
Maybe the hardware specs from last year have been downgraded to reduce the price of the system?
But they did say "So far on par", so that could just mean they are easily reaching what's considered on par now. In time once they learn the architecture of the console they should, in theory, be able to squeeze out more if the past is anything to go by.
For this reason, I believe that developers that bother to take advantage of the system's strengths (read: Nintendo) will put out games that look markedly better than PS360 titles. RAM is the biggest bottleneck in those systems.
Always-honest
Banned
No, you act like soccer moms are the only audience Nintendo has. Most of us have a Wii too.
It almost takes more effort to build a machine on par with ps3 now than it takes to build a machine with cheap current parts that make up for a more powerfull machine. Hell, even handhelds are almost there.
Nintendo themselves have been saying for years that they are not joining in on the technological race Sony and Microsoft are in. So people really expected it to be a faux statement and they sneakily release a full-blown technological masterpiece?
The specs of the tablet-controller alone should've given it away to most people.
As long as they release games like Mario Galaxy that still blow you away, regardless of the underpowered hardware, nobody should really mind.
The specs of the tablet-controller alone should've given it away to most people.
As long as they release games like Mario Galaxy that still blow you away, regardless of the underpowered hardware, nobody should really mind.
shinra-bansho
Member
I'm not surprised, if this eventuates. I expect they're relying on the controller, rather than the core hardware specs - and thus the specs aren't likely to be a huge technical leap.
Although suggesting as such tends to evoke ire from certain parties.
Although suggesting as such tends to evoke ire from certain parties.
lol. More like the more knowledgeable kind of director when it comes to assessing power.
Are you being sarcastic? You have to be, right?
Nintendo basically "won" this generation, they beasted the handheld generation with the DS and the 3DS is set to do the same.
Basileus777
Member
So only worry about playing Nintendo games on Nintendo consoles? I don't think anyone should be happy if that's the case.
The problem I see is most Nintendo first party games don't need super realistic graphics. It's the third parties who rely on realistic graphics more than Nintendo. Nintendo relies more on unique charming art styles to carry a game's graphics.
Nintendo's philosophy on power and technology does not mesh well with western philosophy of power and technology. And when two different philosophies collide, that will cause problems.
Diprosalic
Banned
i hoped they would go back to atleast be somehow on par when they showed the more traditional controller. (and have the wii remotes still work for the more ambitious titles.) but deep down we all knew we where going to be disappointed.
Phonomezer
Banned
I'm disappointed if this is true.
Always-honest
Banned
Indeed. I doubt the wiiU will be the succes that the Wii was. They need more overlap than just being able to match last gens final multiplats
It's what everybody already buys Nintendo hardware for, nothing changed. Decent 3rd party support is just a nice extra. The same support that is bound to die off next year as new HIGH-power consoles are released. Nintendo doesn't really care about 3rd party last gen has showed that they don't really need em.
Nintendo's first party games don't need realistic graphics at all, like you said, but the extra power could make the new 3D mario game look like Banjo Kazooie N&B which would blow everybody away, easily.
If a developer working on a PS4/Xbox720 game said that the hardware was "on par" with the current generation, it would almost unanimously be considered an utter disaster.
Someone working with WiiU says it is "on par" and there's just this silly wellspring of optimism.
"Well maybe they just haven't gotten it to next gen standards yet!"
"It's still got a lot of RAM, so maybe it will have nice textures!"
"It might be still be able to handle ports pretty well!"
"Games could look better than those on the PS3/360!"
Someone working with WiiU says it is "on par" and there's just this silly wellspring of optimism.
"Well maybe they just haven't gotten it to next gen standards yet!"
"It's still got a lot of RAM, so maybe it will have nice textures!"
"It might be still be able to handle ports pretty well!"
"Games could look better than those on the PS3/360!"
Yes, I was.
That's mostly because Nintendo got their "we're not in the graphics race" message out 5 years ago, and fanboys are slightly delusional.
Box of Bunnies
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Basileus777
Member
That may be the status quo, but it's not a situation "nobody should mind," especially Nintendo who is aiming to get third party support for their console.
Horse Armour
Member
The speculation thread is akin to the locked NBA thread in the OT, it is impenenetrable by anyone who isn't a hardcore Nintendo fanboy as they'll be instantly attacked the moment they say anything that goes against what the established people in the thread are saying. That thread is really a shame as there have been interesting things said every once in a while but the isolationist/hostile attitude to outsiders means very few ever get to see those few nuggets of information.
If that happened, we'd know.
They beat out all the competition with the worst 3rd party support since N64. They don't care, they just say they do everytime they launch new hardware. The novelty of the tablet alone will sell this console.
Then why does Nintendo keep saying they want the Wii U to have a bigger market share than Wii? Or to even match Wii's market share?
Nintendo will need more than Mario and Zelda to grab a market outside of Nintendo fans. And there's no guarantee that all the casual gamers who made Wii a giant success story will buy a Wii U.
Wii was successful because it attracted more than just Nintendo fans. When they only attract Nintendo fans, they get GameCube sales.
Basileus777
Member
Like the novelty of 3D sold the 3DS? Past console success doesn't automatically transfer over, Nintendo of all companies should realize that. And whether or not the tablet screen proves to be a big hardware mover, having significant 3rd party support (ever if it's just ports) is important.
specialguy
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OT but, from that linked Tekken Wiiu article
That's actually kind of the first actually cool use of the Wii Tablet I've heard of.
Then again, too bad it's kind of ruined by placing a giant touchscreen in the controller, thus making it unwieldy for fighting games LOL.
That's actually kind of the first actually cool use of the Wii Tablet I've heard of.
Then again, too bad it's kind of ruined by placing a giant touchscreen in the controller, thus making it unwieldy for fighting games LOL.
thank you
In comparison to 360, it has a weaker cpu, stronger gpu, and more ram. It will be the wii of the coming generation though for sure in terms of power.
The wild card is whether or not people are as wowed by the new controller as they were with the wii remote or just look at it as a poor mans tablet. Nintendo will be fine though. They have proven time and time again that they can get by just fine with their own games.
The wild card is whether or not people are as wowed by the new controller as they were with the wii remote or just look at it as a poor mans tablet. Nintendo will be fine though. They have proven time and time again that they can get by just fine with their own games.
maquiladora
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Interview with Colin Bonstead, the technical director, from November 29, 2011. He doesn't say anything about Wii U hardware being more powerful than the current gen here. He said they got the game to the point that it was "at parity with other platforms" in time for E3.
Then general manager David Adams says "It's all the same assests from the normal build, we didn't really do much to it".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Tl3HGOsAlx0#!
Then general manager David Adams says "It's all the same assests from the normal build, we didn't really do much to it".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Tl3HGOsAlx0#!
VariantX04
Loser slave of the system :(
NO I DON'T KNOW.
E3 will reveal all.
E3 will reveal all.
Hard to say right now. PS360 combined sold really well, so there is enough software to be expected the next couple of years. Combined with Nintys first party output that could be enough for an initial sales burst that´d give them a healthy lead over the late comers PS4 and Durango.
With all the devs working on WiiU kits, even if there is a media or even some features embargo, i don't get why we can't just have one of them telling clearly if the thing can at least handle 1080p/60 where PS360 are stuck at 720P-/30-. That would be enough.
If not, it's the same ever and ever again. Nintendo game will look great, Nintendo fans will buy them. Mainstream market will, or will not embrace the family aspect, which will result in a phenomenon again, or a GameCube.
If not, it's the same ever and ever again. Nintendo game will look great, Nintendo fans will buy them. Mainstream market will, or will not embrace the family aspect, which will result in a phenomenon again, or a GameCube.
shinra-bansho
Member
And if it doesn't?
And on that note how novel do you think the mass market considers tablet/touch gaming?
Nintendo aren't forward thinking enough.
They should have gone for a middle ground, something between this and next generation. WiiU will get current gen ports but what happens next gen?
B list teams doing down conversions = same shit we got with the Wii where most games struggled to match the GC!
They should have gone for a middle ground, something between this and next generation. WiiU will get current gen ports but what happens next gen?
B list teams doing down conversions = same shit we got with the Wii where most games struggled to match the GC!