shinra-bansho
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Presumably you're referring to the 3DS, I don't think Monster Hunter Tri did anything for the Wii.
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Vigil in 2012: Wii U "has been on par with what we have with the current generation"
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To be fair, the asset pipeline isn't changing as much as it did when we transitioned to this generation, so 3rd parties have it easier with WiiU than they had with the Wii.
Still disappointing if true.
No, i was reffering to the Wii version, though I doubt it sold more than a few hundred thousand Wii's.
...yeah, how dare a mod use a direct quote from people who are actually working with the Wii U's tech. What a troll.
You're only suppose to use POSITIVE quotes about Nintendo stuff mods!
i think the most likely scenario is that different people have different gauges for what is more powerful than or on par with other devices.
DragonSworne
Banned
How is it technically possible to a make system "on par" with current gen? Can't Nintendo just buy the lowest end stuff off the shelf and automatically have a system stronger than PS3 and 360?
Why is Nintendo spending R&D money with IBM and AMD if the results will be less than what's on the shelf?
Why is Nintendo spending R&D money with IBM and AMD if the results will be less than what's on the shelf?
But I feel like the Wii re-established Mario as a "thing," something he hasn't had since the NES/SNES days. Of course they bought the Wii for the Wii ___ Games, but I think a part of the 50+ million casuals who ended up buying a Mario Kart or Super Mario might be swayed to buy something for the "Mario" next time around, and not just the Wii ____.
There's a difference between something the power of 8 year old tech that fits in in a PS3 and something the power of 8 year old tech that fits in your calculator. Technology isn't just "more power to ya."
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
A mod found a source that says the WiiU is as powerful as this gen consoles. The thread is legit, so why are you so upset?
Mostly to do with power draw. Gaming consoles take less power than most mid-to-high range GPU's do. Also heat issues.
jump_button
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he talking about his game not the console aka its easy to port and they alot more that say it not
I think lowest end parts today are not as strong as xbox 360, but i doubt they will use so low end hardware anywway
I don't. Although I sure drove myself crazy trying to convince the fanatics to listen to what was being said and to stop glomming onto vague pieces of hope. I finally cracked and stopped visiting Nintendo threads altogether.
DragonSworne
Banned
I just hope it supports the equivalent to DX11...
Phoenician_Viking
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A Nintendo fan on a gaming forum dismisses legitimate news and news sources.
DragonSworne
Banned
Just wait until e3. There will be no more wiggle room from both sides.
That's really easy. Eg. buy a current low-end laptop chip. (I'm not suggesting that's what happened, just showing that it's easy to do)
How so? I doubt Nintendo will release specs.
Basileus777
Member
Nintendo doesn't like to give out detailed spec sheets, so there will be plenty of wiggle room.
I think he means we'll see actual games running on actual, final hardware then.
It will have to be a magnitude of 5 times stronger at least to see any leap n graphics.
JosephManderley
Member
So it's going to be a lazy launch period port. Not really surprised, There is going to be a ton of lazy PS360 ports for the first 6 months of Wii U's life I think.
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specialguy
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If you left everything else about 360 exactly the same and simply gave it 512MB more RAM, you'd see noticeably better graphics.
They will show the games though, and that will tell most of the story, Additionally eventually the specs should leak (just like Apple doesnt tell us whats in the iPad, but we find out).
shinra-bansho
Member
Not necessarily.
I don't think Nintendo have been prone to releasing technical specs with their recent hardware.
Third parties are largely making ports. Nintendo games like Mario Kart don't really have artstyles generally that would show off technical prowess.
We could still be entirely in the dark.
Sentenza
Member
Nope.
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JosephManderley
Member
Sadly, you a probably right...
PumpkinPie
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We get one thread from one company about how the Wii U is considerably more powerful that PS360, then we get one thread about how weak the Wii U is.
Shake Appeal
Member
Really can't see what Nintendo are hanging their hats on here.
Shadow of the BEAST
Banned
Man nintendo short sightedness and cheapness is really amusing.
I mean if the wii would have been cheap and low end but still comparable to xbox360/ps3 they would have had this entire gen in the bag, ps2 style. But since they are ultra cheapskates they used completely outdated hardware.
And now apparently they are doing the same shit again.
I mean if the wii would have been cheap and low end but still comparable to xbox360/ps3 they would have had this entire gen in the bag, ps2 style. But since they are ultra cheapskates they used completely outdated hardware.
And now apparently they are doing the same shit again.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
On par with 360/PS3 is exactly what I was expecting, and Nintendo pretty much conveyed this by showing clips of current gen 360/PS3 games during the U's unveling.
It was wishful thinking expecting the U to be inbetween PS3/360 and the next round of PS4/Durango consoles.
It was wishful thinking expecting the U to be inbetween PS3/360 and the next round of PS4/Durango consoles.
"launch games" is the defence used to shrug off any criticism on them.
I think this time around they're betting that Sony and Microsoft might try to to make some money off the hardware, but the jokes on Nintendo since Sony and Microsoft don't have to do that.
By June 2011 Colin's team of 3-5 members were able to port the entire game (Darksiders II) to the Wii U in about 5 weeks. I think based on this fact we can accurately conclude that the team was in a unique position of knowing the capabilities of the Wii U in relation to the other HD consoles (i.e. the team concluded Wii U was stronger/more powerful than current HD consoles).
It was after the game was ported to the Wii U that game informer interviewed Colin Bonstead and he made that statement that I sourced earlier.
I don't know why the director is contradicting what the technical director said it could be for a variety of reasons but what I can definitely say is that when it comes to matters of engine strengths and weaknesses or individual console raw power the technical director is in a better position to give you definite answers either way.
A real problem (not for mainstream but for gamers), is that WiiU will be far early. People will tell you it's a PS2 situation but it's not. PS brand was in the situation we know to begin with, but especially, PS2 was perceived as next gen. It was the first step of the next gen.
WiiU HAS to be perceived as such a thing, by displaying some fresh things. Even the tab thing is not so fresh. It's not like Motion control which could actually be perceived as "next gen" gameplay wise. Using a screen to control things can be cool for sure, but it's not revolutionary at all.
If the graphics seems ps360, even from far away, it will be perceived as nothing new, and worse, like taking a boat to nowhere, like repeating your last 5 school years! In the same time, there will be a graphical update for Nintendo ips for the first time in 10 years, so who knows.
Some early Nintendo fans who were frustrated by their graphic conservatism could be seduced if they see HD Zelda or Metroid with awesome art direction, even if it's far from next gen.
WiiU HAS to be perceived as such a thing, by displaying some fresh things. Even the tab thing is not so fresh. It's not like Motion control which could actually be perceived as "next gen" gameplay wise. Using a screen to control things can be cool for sure, but it's not revolutionary at all.
If the graphics seems ps360, even from far away, it will be perceived as nothing new, and worse, like taking a boat to nowhere, like repeating your last 5 school years! In the same time, there will be a graphical update for Nintendo ips for the first time in 10 years, so who knows.
Some early Nintendo fans who were frustrated by their graphic conservatism could be seduced if they see HD Zelda or Metroid with awesome art direction, even if it's far from next gen.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
If the developer had said the opposite, we'd have one on how powerful it is, and how Nintendo will dominate, brilliant Nintendo, yadda yadda yadda.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Pathetic if true. Absolutely pathetic.
Sony does.
A year ago a statement was made about expected hardware for the Wii-U, today a statement was made about the current specs of the Wii-U.
Either the expectations were set too high or the specs have been downgraded since then.
something you have to understand about the way they approached the current generation was that they were coming off the gamecube- the lowest-selling nintendo console since the 70s. making the wii a slimmed down gamecube with a peripheral was their way to make a new console while not getting slammed with costs and being able to stay alive in the event they would be unable to make it into a decent success. a lot of their attitude towards the machine made it clear that they did not anticipate the level of success the system reached- stuff like their 12m sales targets for the fiscal year ending in 2008, or how the wii was meant to be an 'and' system.
hindsight's 20/20 and all that, so yeah, if they had an hd machine that would act as the dreamcast to the 360's ps2, then maybe it wouldn't have been so bad.
i don't think just getting wii u approximations show the whole picture though. we don't know how much more powerful the next xbox and playstation are going to be. i think this generation taught all companies a lesson in accessibility that won't go ignored.
With most third party devs already or about to move onto the new Xbox/PS that's to be expected. I mean the biggest draw that devs who are doing this are saying is they'll use the controller for "extra functions". As much as i love a game like Arkham City, i see little point in paying full price for it again on WiiU so i can use a touchscreen functions that the devs have added. And maybe slightly better graphics.
And seeing how devs struggled with coming up with interesting ways to use the Wii controller, i'm not expecting too much thought being put into third party games touchscreen features.
It's going to be down to Nintendo to really show what this machine can do.
shinra-bansho
Member
Possibly, when one looks at the company's ailing fortunes as a whole.
But the loss leader strategy is still viable for consoles, provided the loss isn't too large.
Boards of Canada
Member
Why would you expect anything better than 360/PS3 performance? Look at the size of the unit and look at that controller. It's smaller than a 360 and the controller is more expensive to build than any current gen controller. Nintendo's not going to lose money on the hardware.
i remember when the 360 came out. it did well, but everyone was anticipating the ps3 more than anything else. lots of comments were made about it being the xbox 1.5 and games that didn't do the hardware justice were constantly made the subject of ridicule. then e306 happened. a combination of the general badness of the conference and the realization that the ps3 would not have games at launch that looked as good as the ones in the e305 trailer soured a lot of people on the machine, and the 360's reputation as the hardcore console of choice began to solidify (at least early on).
i expect people will have similarly high hopes that will be dashed by the reality of the next generation.