Paracelsus
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You mean I will not have my *hand on chest* 8xMSAA? ._.
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Vigil in 2012: Wii U "has been on par with what we have with the current generation"
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I reserve the right to make conclusive determinations on Wii U at E3. I think it is probably fair to say there is little evidence that it will be significantly more powerful than PS360, but I do not believe the "evidence" that it is only on par is very conclusive.
DragonSworne
Banned
Kids will just play on their iPads when mom is watching TV.
I live in the UK.
Yeah, cause millions of kids aged 5-11 have Ipads these days
DragonSworne
Banned
More kids have iPads than WiiUs
The tablet does have motion control though... I guess they should still market that. Considering how well MKWii and NSMBWii sold and considering how they use motion control, I think there is a good chunk of people who could accept the uPad's type of motion.
You mean a 3D Mario platformer?
REMEMBER CITADEL
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Or they could just tell him to go play on his handheld/iPhone.
Unless Wii U has some spectacular features we don't know about yet, I just don't see it taking off the same way Wii did.
Cerebral Assassin
Member
So unless Nintendo failed to reach their targets that contradicts quotes from Epic late last year(which seem to be fairly logical):
"They're aiming for a point beyond the current generation they're just not leapfrogging it. One can certainly envision a future a couple years down the road where we have some significantly leapfrogged generation and then the Wii U again becomes a system that's not easily portable between the other platforms."
"They're aiming for a point beyond the current generation they're just not leapfrogging it. One can certainly envision a future a couple years down the road where we have some significantly leapfrogged generation and then the Wii U again becomes a system that's not easily portable between the other platforms."
CoffeeJanitor
Member
Right. But why not go for complete market domination?
semiconscious
Member
agree. &, until this approach doesn't work, why would they change course?...
while i have pretty much no personal interest in nintendo anymore, i just can't see how their 'non-cutting edge' approach doesn't make sense financially. the wii's success clearly demonstrates that the general public just doesn't really care all that much. so why should they?...
it's not, and there is no doubt about that.
People really forget what was the wiimote... It was something You've never ever in your life seen before!!!
Tactile tech is as old as smartphones. It's the most common thing in the world. There is absolutly NOTHING of the attraction motion control could have before.
Maybe, maybe Nintendo will find a success based on smart understanding of how a modern family works and how they share entertainment. Maybe, but it's a wayyyy more complicated process.
I've said it before. Nintendo used something simple for their past success. A tech that you had to try cause it was something new and untouched by mainstreams. Now they can't have that anymore, so they try to built something from a philosophy based on known techs and how they interact together. That's, way less easy to show off and impress with. (See the fiasco of the first unveiling).
shinra-bansho
Member
No 5-11 year old is buying a Wii U.
Millions of households, which presumably includes parents, have tablets/smartphones.
It's not about meaningless spec-whoring. It's about content access that follows from what the system will or won't be capable of.
i.e. The key question is whether you'll have next gen games. Or if you'll have 'just' a subset of current generation releases + Nintendo games + no several year back catalog + a higher price (vs PS3/360).
If the latter, Nintendo had better hope the tablet controller and their own software around that catches fire among the wider public.
Cheesecakebobby
Banned
Those are good points, but the only thing that really matters is whether people say "Wow, I gotta get one of these" after they hold it in their hands and play a game that best uses its unique features. Which means it is absolutely crucial for Nintendo to have a game like Wii Sports at launch that justifies the design of the product.
gaming_noob
Member
Expected. But I still can't wait to see the next Zelda.
Especially since they're ridiculously cheap and a great baby sitter to keep them out of Mom's hair.
Of course. It's all designed with Japan in mind. That some people can ignore such basic trends and constantly be surprised (when it's a well established pattern by now) is puzzling. This is their MO.
Shadow of the BEAST
Banned
I personally think the pad is much more interesting idea than the motion controller. I can actually see it being used in games in cool ways.
Unlike the wiimote wich was shit for the most part.
Unlike the wiimote wich was shit for the most part.
If we are going to be making new threads based on vague statements by developers, this board is going to be a cesspool the next 2 months. YAY.
This is one of the main reasons I keep going back and forward over whether or not they should rename it. Tying yourself to a widely recognised and successful brand is theoretically a good thing, but people could look at it and fail to see the connection. Kinect likely looks more of a Wii successor to these consumers, and Microsoft could go in for the kill with a great marketing boost and a price drop.
I think Nintendo should reveal a new branding that plays to the strengths of the system and gels with their new marketing strategy.
It doesn't lend itself to the motion control novelty the Wii brand was built on, which is the 'get off the couch and get active' style. People looking silly and making wide motions. Motion is also going to be far down the list of bullet points; making it a priority in marketing would mean directing the attention of the masses away from the main qualities of the tablet.
shinra-bansho
Member
Precisely. It's a market frought with competition - it's more directly competing with the iPad and Apple, than consoles before it. They will need to pull a rabbit out of their hat to make the idea of touch gaming awe inspiring, relative to the novelty of motion control.
I'm not sure why people are assuming emulating the success of the Wii is an easy feat.
The assumption that the success of the Wii dictates that the Wii U have similar success is really no better than predictions made about the PS3, based on the success of the PS2.
Why "but", that's exactly what i'm saying will be difficult to have
shinra-bansho said:
Indeed, and that's not even regarding the fact that PS2 was still hype as fuck when PS3 was released, where Wii is deeply faded into mainstream minds.
Sidewinder
Member
If true I'll wait untill it's 199$ and has enough Nintendo games I care about, like Mario 128, Wave Race and a Zelda like in the E3 demo. Touchscreen doesn't hype me at all, WiiRemote did, but really disappointed me.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I really don't think it will. Motion control invited a lot of people to the party, who normally would've never showed up. Those nongamers, curiosity types, and weight loss hopefuls propelled the Wii to huge sales. The tablet isn't going have the impact that motion controls did, when they were introduced. Gaming on a tablet is nothing new. Oh, so this has buttons? Cool, does it have Facebook? Can I send messages with it while playing? Can I take pictures and share them with my friends?
I just don't see the big hook that's going to convince a lot of casual Wii purchasers to invest in a U.
Sohter.Nura
Member
... They finished last this generation? :lol
Surely the Wii ran out of steam earlier on, but damn... if the DS, 3DS and Wii are finishing in last, I sure want to finish in last more often
I've been saying this all along...I guess Wii U will have more RAM, and somewhat better GPU and CPU than this gens HD consoles, but running another screen on controller should make it pretty close on the big screen. I know there are alot of naysayers and fanboys hoping for miracles, but if it were considerably stronger than HD twins Nintendo wouldn't avoid on commenting on it.
semiconscious
Member
completely agree. & it's pretty much exactly in the same way that the 3ds doesn't feature the degree of innovation that the ds did - much more a variation on something that's already there, as opposed to something intrinsically new...
Pancakes R Us
Member
Too many disillusioned fanboys. I just hope that this means that the price doesn't top the £200-250 region. Tablet or not, 360 is already around £150-200.
The thing is, too expensive and it could flop, but a nice cheap price could mean lots of lost money for Nintendo if the thing takes off big time.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
You created a situation that handheld systems have been the solution for for generations.
Oh no, Jimmy wants to play TV, but mom's watching Desperate Housewives! What is Jimmy to do?
Unless Jimmy's a dumbass he's going to play his 3DS, or his mom's iPad. He doesn't need a U to solve this problem.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
... They finished last this generation? :lol
Surely the Wii ran out of steam earlier on, but damn... if the DS, 3DS and Wii are finishing in last, I sure want to finish in last more often
-> The joke
-> Your head
IrishNinja
Member
pretty depressing if true - 1st party, as usual, will be built around the specs, but it's certainly not gonna be a lead platform to develop for, and i can't see myself buying many 3rd party titles for it unless the controller is used well for it (hoping for Aliens game, for example!).
decade? i thought the Gamecube had some pretty good specs for its time.
wait, i think that's right outside of a decade, though. ne'ermind.
D.O.A., poor little guy never had a chance.
decade? i thought the Gamecube had some pretty good specs for its time.
wait, i think that's right outside of a decade, though. ne'ermind.
D.O.A., poor little guy never had a chance.
TheBanditKing
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Never understood why anyone thought other wise.
Haha.
CoffeeJanitor
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GAF wants to jump to conclusions and speculate and argue about nothing. This thread is getting a ton of activity just because the out of context title validates many users' thoughts
SolarPowered
Member
I refuse to believe this.
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
The, you know...
That's because Nintendo is all about the hardware margin. While Sony and Microsoft are fine taking a loss on the system to make it up in game sales, Nintendo is not.
The only way for Nintendo to make money out the gate on the system is to use old tech, mainly because It's cheaper. So until Nintendo gets over the margin, they are always going to be a gen behind.
People just want to believe what they want to believe. How anyone can find what this guy said as any testament of the Wii U's power is beyond me. His statement is obviously about their own game and how much work they're going to do to improve the visual. They reached the same level of the 360/PS3 and that's what they're going to go with. The extra work on the Wii U version will be spent on making the controller function in different ways. It doesn't say the Wii U is weak or strong.
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
official specs can't come out soon enough
If nintendo has no interest in courting third parties and only themselves I refuse to buy this system. I get my fill of their stuff with casual types I hangout with. I want a real console that doesn't give me bs in inputs, online, or hardware design seems none of the 3 are getting my business next gen unless there are some products I really need and can't be without.
I have a feeling we won't know the 'official specs' even after E3.
They won't come.
CoffeeJanitor
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Most people won't even read the OP. The quote in the title is completely out of context.
If history is any indication, official specs will never come out.
I read the context, and it doesn't seem to imply anything other than what has been stated.
AceBandage
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Nope.