Haunted
Member
Goddamn it.But for each of those monotonous space bases, we would get this, each and every single time:
So I'd be much happier with that than linear corridors with no sense of traversal / exploration.
God damn it what could've been.
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Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Thread |OT2| Taste the Rainbow
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God damn it what could've been.
The other tip is to zoom in on the map, and really take a close look at the topography. There are clear pathways just about every point of interest on each planet.
The shortest route between A & B is not always a straight path.
EPIC MEZCAL HANGOVER
shinobi602
Member
Not sure if this has been posted yet.
Jennifer Hale voicing part of the child
http://pedpickle.tumblr.com/post/19239500329/lets-all-just-take-the-time-to-appreciate-the
You can also faintly hear Mark Meer in the kid's voice.
Indoc theory....
Jennifer Hale voicing part of the child
http://pedpickle.tumblr.com/post/19239500329/lets-all-just-take-the-time-to-appreciate-the
You can also faintly hear Mark Meer in the kid's voice.
Indoc theory....
Fuck yeah Mass Effect 1 discussion. It still is the best game in the series with a lot of heart and soul. To celebrate, here's my various screenshots of the levels, just to show how magnificent the sci-fi atmosphere and sense of exploration were:
Sigh. Reinstalling.
I'm sure a good majority of those working for Bioware realize what was wrong with the end.
He is pretty much the only writer other than Walters that has remained on the writing team throughout the ME franchise. It's apparent he should have been promoted to lead instead of Walters but alas.
Anyone going to PAX East should give him a hug.
It defintely shows...*sigh* this is so unfair :/
I'm really curious as to how all of this will end, I have no hope at all for them to fix the whole thing but I'm still curious of what will they do.
That one is great. I don't know why it isn't on the OST.
According to the same post, the entirety of ME3 was a collaborative effort among the writing team, with various ideas being checked for plot holes, errors, and improved upon with each iteration ... except the ending.
Patrick Weekes said:
It is hard not to get mad when Bioware nailed 99% of the game and then the egos of Hudson and Walters made them do an about face and go it alone.
Psychoward
Banned
They probably thought they had such a great script and wanted a big fucking reveal.
Shows them.
shinobi602
Member
No one cares that Hale/Meer voices the kid? I thought this was pretty major.
If anything it heavily leans towards the indoc theory.
If anything it heavily leans towards the indoc theory.
There's going to be a lot of mess as they rearrange people between ME3 DLC and whatever other projects they have going, so maybe it's not that logical viewed from inside.
The writers seem to work from home a lot, by the way. Karpyshyn moved to Texas in 2009 but somehow worked at Bioware (although not on ME3?) for three years afterwards.
It doesn't lean towards anything. They were going to be the easiest voice actors to get, and the symbolism of "space kid totally represents everyone Shepard has let down as well as him/her" could have been there in any ending. Why would the fact that the other gender of Shepard speaks there point in any way through an in-universe fourth wall being broken?
diamondstar
Member
Hilarious. I really can't get enough of any honest Mass Effect bashing.
It's interesting, but also pretty old, and that's probably why no one is talking about it.
I'm still interested in hearing it myself, but somehow I've lost every pair of headphones I own.
People discussed it, only makes it worse.
shinobi602
Member
I think that's an over-simplistic way of looking at it. They could have used any random voice to voice the kid, but they chose both Shepards.
Personally to me it seems they're going for the old "your conscience is speaking to you", and that would make sense if Shepard is indoctrinated.
The indoctrination theory is the religious debate of gaming; everybody is set in their ways and you're not likely to convince anyone to reconsider.
I'm on the indoctrination side of the fence though.
Why would half of the voice of your conscience be that of a character that does not exist in your version of the universe? Why would your conscience be speaking from the same mental avatar as the supposed indoctrination influence of the Reapers?
The ending is literal and we have numerous quotes from Walters supporting that.
There is not a single fucking piece of evidence for the indoctrination theory. Nothing. They have said that they scrapped an ending where you struggled with the controls against Reaper indoctrination. The rest of the game was already written when they wrote the ending. There's no way the evidence some are saying points towards the indoctrination ending could ever possibly point towards it.
As a fun "you killed Gary's Raticate" or "Squall died at the end of disc one" theory, yes, fine, but no one actually believes in those*. The only way the indoctrination ending could possible ever have any weight would be if they released DLC pointing towards it with recorded dialogue meaning they had it planned before the game came out, in which case I would happily admit I was wrong about everything.
EDIT: * Clarification: we know those were not intended by the writers, and they have been disproven. People who believe in them are nuts.
It is really interesting and something I missed the first time through until someone pointed it out. I would LOVE to think that Bioware was planning the indoctrination theory from the get go, but based on Walters' "Lots of speculation", the Dr's "clarification", and Hudson's artistic integrity remarks, I think it is safe to say what we got is it. With that said, I think indoc theory allows Bioware to pursue different endings with ease. It allows them to keep everything in the game without further explanation and create multiple endings tailored to the fans requests while still keeping with the themes of the series.
Although it sounds like Bioware is jkust going to clarify some plot holes in the current ending, I would be more than okay if Bioware decided to take 6 months to a year to create a fleshed out indoc theory expansion pack that addressed the ending complaints and issues throughout the game (expand the intro of the game with trial and Earth exploration, add team loyalty missions, add missions to Drell, Hanar, Elcor, Volus homeworlds, etc.). IMO, this would allow Bioware to retain their "artistic integrity" by keeping the current content, appease the fans with new endings, fix bugs and complaints, and allow them to charge more for the expansion so they could get VA back and develop better content. I know a lot of people on GAF are against any payment for a "true ending", but personally, I think it would solve a lot of the problems Bioware is facing right now.
Your about 2 weeks too late on both their voices being on the left/right channels on the audio of the kid, it was part of the first indoc theories iirc.
To clarify, I am not against the idea that they were to go with it and start making that ending now. That's fine. The idea of that they would have made it already and pointed to it cleverly, and that the ending wasn't really bad because Bioware secretly still write amazing games without flaws, that's ridicolous to me. If no one here was actually saying the latter then my being annoyed was not pointed at them specifically.
Pretty much. I know it wasn't pre-planned because it's Mac Walters folks, learn to accept the fact that the ending we got was a fucking terrible mess because of this man. You think I didn't want to pretend ME2 didn't exist? I had to deal with it and now this.
But I'm ok if they wanted to use it as a quick and easy excuse to re-do the ending, which I also know won't happen. I've already dealt with a bunch of bad retcons in this series between me2, 3 and the books/comics. I can deal with a good retcon for once.
I don't know why these would be considered evidence against indoctrination. Leaving evidence of indoctrination but not confirming it would obviously provide a lot of speculation.
And the "clarification" DLC is going to clarify how much ass Shepard kicks after overcoming indoctrination.
I don't know why these would be considered evidence against indoctrination. Leaving evidence of indoctrination but not confirming it would obviously provide a lot of speculation.
And the "clarification" DLC is going to clarify how much ass Shepard kicks after overcoming indoctrination.
He is literally writing it on a page where he details the ending without a mention of indoctrination.
Highlights: "Shepard's death". "Ends conflict".
I don't know why these would be considered evidence against indoctrination. Leaving evidence of indoctrination but not confirming it would obviously provide a lot of speculation.
And the "clarification" DLC is going to clarify how much ass Shepard kicks after overcoming indoctrination.
*wakes up*
GET OUT OF MY HEADDDDDDD
*turns blue*
*Biotic Charges through Harbinger*
SHEPARD STRIKEEEEEEEEEEEE
*Harbinger blows up*
Liara: I think I'm wet.
*Shepard flies through the citadel, punches vent kid in the face*
*destroys the reapers with a single blast of the catalyst but saves the geth and EDI because that's what shep does, man*
*end:
Except shopped with Shep's face.
The hell? Why so much aggression?
Anyways, I don't see how it couldn't be indoctrination since if the ending actually happened, then that would mean Shepard re-entered orbit from fucking space and survived.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Garrus looks sexy in that dress.
Highlights from the ending: Shepard survived.
Edit: Anyways, I'm done debating this. I need to get going, and as I said earlier, indoctrination arguments never end with anybody changing their mind.
Don't be blind, that's clearly Jacob.
No agression at you personally, just at the notion that it's as viable a theory as the literal ending.
Re-entering orbit and staying intact happened in ME2 as your body is still whole while landing on the icy planet (near the Normandy for whatever reason). Most likely they forgot about that part though.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Hey, shouldnt let them off for dumb shit in 2 despite even dumber shit in 3. Cant lose perspective.
I need this in a bigger size for my Tumblr!
Zomba13
Member
But there was originally a section where Shepard was getting indoctrinated which they cut because they couldn't get the controls right (which to me seems fucking stupid as I'd think fighting indoctrination would be more a test of your will rather than of shooting stuff).
But people hate it when you arent shooting stuff!