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What I learned after yesterday was that finishing moves mean nothing. BTW, Cena had already kicked out of the PE.
And a rock bottom. Rock won with his second RB of the match.
What I learned after yesterday was that finishing moves mean nothing. BTW, Cena had already kicked out of the PE.
I can understand why people were pissed with some decisions made. But to say WM28 was bad or just ok doesn't make sense to me. Undertaker matches and ric flair are the only memorable matches in the past 4 years.
Cena right now can be fueded with faces (and has been fueding with faces). when he is, his fans still cheer him. he still sells merchandise, and even if the faces he's fueding with get the better of him, he keeps his fans. why actually turn him? what do you gain from that? you lose his merchandise sales, and the people who already hate him are already buying PPVs in the hope of seeing him lose.
yeah, Cena isn't a heel who people love to hate. He's just a character that people hate, period, and will avoid the show, as a result.The people who hate him aren't buying the PPVs to see him lose. When they buy, it's to see somebody else they like on the card. There's this false idea that whether people love or hate John Cena, they're still buying tickets because of him.
Nuh uh. People who love Cena will buy tickets because of him, and people who hate him who buy PPVs buy them for the other guys on the card.
Of course, WWE has real problems with not letting the other guys on the card get over, so PPV sales continue to drop like a rock.
The people who hate him aren't buying the PPVs to see him lose. When they buy, it's to see somebody else they like on the card. There's this false idea that whether people love or hate John Cena, they're still buying tickets because of him.
Nuh uh. People who love Cena will buy tickets because of him, and people who hate him who buy PPVs buy them for the other guys on the card.
Of course, WWE has real problems with not letting the other guys on the card get over, so PPV sales continue to drop like a rock.
Cena right now can be fueded with faces (and has been fueding with faces). when he is, his fans still cheer him. he still sells merchandise, and even if the faces he's fueding with get the better of him, he keeps his fans. why actually turn him? what do you gain from that? you lose his merchandise sales, and the people who already the people that don't think he can wrestle (LOL) aren't going to suddenly change their opinion on him just because now he is being booed by everyone, and we can have all the Cena vs main event level face fueds as it stands.
The acceptance of a character rarely has to do with their wrestling ability. Cena is a competent wrestler, who actually has a decent moveset who just isn't allowed to show much of it, due to the nature of his character. Becoming a heel, and not having to have a predictable, merchandise laden moveset would help.and you think turning him heel makes the people that hate him stop hating him? i think that ship saled loooooong ago. you think he'll suddenly have a much wider move set and suddenly sell properly?
yeah, Cena isn't a heel who people love to hate. He's just a character that people hate, period, and will avoid the show, as a result.
What? What kind of logic are you using? I'm saying Cena's character is one of the reasons people don't watch. His absence doesn't mean people would watch, however.Hmmm. So if Smackdown was live....and Cena wasn't on it... These people that tune out.. would watch?
What? What kind of logic are you using? I'm saying Cena's character is one of the reasons people don't watch. His absence doesn't mean people would watch, however.
I'm just going with the idea that these arm chair bookers would get the ratings back to 8.0s in no time.
That easy. Just replace Raw with sports entertainment that people care about like the NFL. Patriots/Giants is a better feud than anything in the last 4-5 years of WWE. The underdog Giants have effectively become the franchise to beat while the superhuman Patriots are on the chase.
BOOKING.
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The acceptance of a character rarely has to do with their wrestling ability. Cena is a competent wrestler, who actually has a decent moveset who just isn't allowed to show much of it, due to the nature of his character. Becoming a heel, and not having to have a predictable, merchandise laden moveset would help.
a heel Cena keeps Dolph and Cody in the mid card more than a face Cena, imho.
Literally the entire roster is the midcard compared to Cena. Doesn't matter what role he's playing.
See, they even have the evil authority figure who's trying to turn his reputation around after betraying his star player's squeaky clean image.
NFL is better wrestling than wrestling.
Would be interesting if Cena went on a losing streak for a few months now that he lost clean for the first time in about 4/5 years.
He has been so invincible for so long it sure would be something different.
Would be interesting if Cena went on a losing streak for a few months now that he lost clean for the first time in about 4/5 years.
He has been so invincible for so long it sure would be something different.
Only if Johnny Ace pulls a Dana White and kicks Cena off of Raw for losing so much. Then threatens to kick him off of Smackdown too. Break Cena all the way down so that he switches his style up, gets some new moves, gets new feuds, and OMG he's winning again! WHAT'S THIS? A US title shot for John Cena? He's come so far after the last 8 months of losing. He now deserves a WWE Title shot. OMG HE WON! THE COMEBACK STORY IS COMPLETE.
DUN DUN DUN....A Wild Dwayne Johnson appears.
WM29, John Cena 2.0 vs. The Rock (who originally set Cena on that losing streak a year prior)
Book it.
have they ever done a Rocky 1 to Rocky 2 angle? i've always wanted that. have a wrestler lose, and then have the storyline be that they are trying to push themself and better themself and fight their way back to that rematch, all the while training and learning to get the win in the return match.Only if Johnny Ace pulls a Dana White and kicks Cena off of Raw for losing so much. Then threatens to kick him off of Smackdown too. Break Cena all the way down so that he switches his style up, gets some new moves, gets new feuds, and OMG he's winning again! WHAT'S THIS? A US title shot for John Cena? He's come so far after the last 8 months of losing. He now deserves a WWE Title shot. OMG HE WON! THE COMEBACK STORY IS COMPLETE.
DUN DUN DUN....A wild Dwayne Johnson appears.
WM29, John Cena 2.0 vs. The Rock (who originally set Cena on that losing streak a year prior)
Book it.
Taker/HHH
Taker/HHH is NOT a classic. Hell, it was the worst Undertaker match of his last four Wrestlemania matches.
Just one more match with Brock and then call it quits.Yeah he just can't move anymore. I think its time.
Then just one more match with rock, then Goldberg, then sting. Na man, undertaker needs to retire, he has earned it and 20-0 is a really solid even number to go out on top of.Just one more match with Brock and then call it quits.
I thought it was a bit better than last years due to HBK antics like cowering in the corner peeking through the gaps in his fingers and selling Hells gate with hilarious hand flailing.Taker/HHH is NOT a classic. Hell, it was the worst Undertaker match of his last four Wrestlemania matches.
I thought it was a bit better than last years due to HBK antics like cowering in the corner peeking through the gaps in his fingers and selling Hells gate with hilarious hand flailing.
Oh and I guess it's so much more stupid regarding kick outs that it becomes sort of funny, I think there was less dead time as well surprisingly.
But yeah it's nothing to really trumpet, as I said earlier I doubt the entertainment value holds up on a repeat watch.
The acceptance of a character rarely has to do with their wrestling ability. Cena is a competent wrestler, who actually has a decent moveset who just isn't allowed to show much of it, due to the nature of his character. Becoming a heel, and not having to have a predictable, merchandise laden moveset would help.
113 pages to read? Jesus.
Cena shouldn't turn heel. He should just become a different kind of face. And he should lose clean to people who aren't The Rock. And he should sell his opponent's offense. And he should be emotionally invested in feuds that organically develop.John Cena donates a lot of his time to making sick children feel better about themselves. These kids are oftentimes in the final stages of their lives, and they choose Cena as their wish.
Is it really necessary for the guy to become a villain for the sake of crazed wrestling fans who, honestly, wouldn't like him if he came to their house and crapped gold coins?
John Cena donates a lot of his time to making sick children feel better about themselves. These kids are oftentimes in the final stages of their lives, and they choose Cena as their wish.
Is it really necessary for the guy to become a villain for the sake of crazed wrestling fans who, honestly, wouldn't like him if he came to their house and crapped gold coins?
and you think turning him heel makes the people that hate him stop hating him? i think that ship saled loooooong ago. you think he'll suddenly have a much wider move set and suddenly sell properly?
John Cena donates a lot of his time to making sick children feel better about themselves. These kids are oftentimes in the final stages of their lives, and they choose Cena as their wish.
Is it really necessary for the guy to become a villain for the sake of crazed wrestling fans who, honestly, wouldn't like him if he came to their house and crapped gold coins?
Speaking of which, both Edge and Christian continued to visit kids in hospitals, make charity appearances and answer Make-A-Wish requests during their heel runs. It CAN be done. Heaven forbid we'd dare to teach a lesson to youngsters to distinguish a performer's on-screen character from who they are in real life (although I get the impression Cena has difficulty doing this when it comes to himself).Holy shit, Jon Cena is too important to go heel? Those kids know it is a work. WWE is not shy about it these days.