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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto

BurntPork

Banned
I said it started development waaaaay before they got Wii U kits and is wrapping up development in the next few months. They can't even make a Lost Planet title internally right now and the team is struggling to get the game itself done on within the time frame they have. A Wii U port was unlikely.

That said, it's Capcom and Resident Evil. A port next year is probably likely, but expecting it now was foolish.

(The real story is why no RE6 for Vita.)

You said the same of AC3. (At least I think you did.)
 

FoneBone

Member
I said it started development waaaaay before they got Wii U kits and is wrapping up development in the next few months. They can't even make a Lost Planet title internally right now and the team is struggling to get the game itself done on within the time frame they have. A Wii U port was unlikely.

That said, it's Capcom and Resident Evil. A port next year is probably likely, but expecting it now was foolish.
I don't know what information you have, but while it's obvious that they wouldn't have had Wii U kits when the game started development, you really think it would have taken so much additional time and resources to port a PS3/360 game to similar hardware as to prohibit the possibility of it arriving in the Wii U launch window?
 

barbapapa

Member
I'm pretty sure Nintendo's got some crazy shit geared up for E3. They usually alternate poor showings, with amazing ones; and last year's was kind of a dud.
I mean they pretty much have to, with game development on the Wii having come to a near complete standstill.
 
R

Rösti

Unconfirmed Member
Suda-san hasn't got access to a Wii U SDK:

Have you got hold of a Wii U development kit yet?

Not right now, no.

Is that something you are looking to get ahold of?

It’s hard to say. Maybe, maybe not. It’s really depending on publishers. We are developers, so it’s up to a publisher.
Source: http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2012/04/interview_goichi_suda_grasshopper_manufacture

I would have expected a renowned studio like Grasshopper Manufacture to be bested what Wii U has to offer when it comes to development. Maybe they are not just interested.
 
Yeah, Wii U will look great sitting on the shelves with its high price tag and current gen games from last year/early this year. Resident Evil 6 was pretty much my only hope for an actual timely 3rd party blockbuster...sorry, this one hits hard.

What happened to Nintendo throwing the money around to secure 3rd party support? Iwata stated his intentions to do this at an investor Q&A...

Not that Resident Evil 6 is everything. For all we know Nintendo has even better 3rd party collaborations in the works. I know this will come off as bitter fanboydom or GAF hivemind, but if 6 is just an extension of 5, I could see myself passing on it, provided the rest of the fall lineup (for all systems which I own at least) is packed w/ must play experiences. But that's just the type of gamer I've turned into. There are so many games and so little time, that unless there's something truly unique to offer, I'm forced to merely read about it on GAF. And Xenoblade isn't helping matters atm.
 
You said the same of AC3. (At least I think you did.)

I said I don't believe any Wii U game is actually making it to market until it is announced. That was more of a comment on silly NDAs than AC3 actually being canceled. I did outright say that Ubisoft making an exclusive AC game for Wii U, as people somehow inferred last E3, was impossible and not happening.

Don't project your terrible predictions on me.
 

FoneBone

Member
A lot of folks outside this thread like to paint us Nintendo fanatics as irrational and detached from reality, where we think that the U will get godly PS2-like levels of support and be uber-powerful.. but it just ain't the case. A lot of us know what the score is.

Actually, a lot of "Nintendo fanatics" are "irrational and detached from reality" because of their persecution complexes, where they insist that crappy third-party support happens because those companies just "hate Nintendo."
 

NeoGohan

Banned
Man, wii u is starting to smell like a complete flop: no third party support shared with ps360 because of different excuses/reasons (no install base, different unpredictable appeal of the upad, bad experiences with Wii), no third party support shared with PS4Durango due to lack of power, probably it will get only Nintendo titles, even less than wii (that had a decent amount of esclusives titles very interesting in my opinion)
I'll probably wait a couple of years, allowing the library to grow a little bit in order to avoid months of emptyness..

are you from the future? :O
 
I don't know what information you have, but while it's obvious that they wouldn't have had Wii U kits when the game started development, you really think it would have taken so much additional time and resources to port a PS3/360 game to similar hardware as to prohibit the possibility of it arriving in the Wii U launch window?

But where do they get that time and resources? Moreover, why would they expend it on a system that has literally no install base?

RE:R sold like crap even when the 3DS was picking up steam. They have salted the earth for RE on Nintendo systems. They're not going to expend any more effort than is convenient.
 

Instro

Member
I said it started development waaaaay before they got Wii U kits and is wrapping up development in the next few months. They can't even make a Lost Planet title internally right now and the team is struggling to get the game itself done on within the time frame they have. A Wii U port was unlikely.

That said, it's Capcom and Resident Evil. A port next year is probably likely, but expecting it now was foolish.

(The real story is why no RE6 for Vita.)

Well this would make sense to some degree considering DD is supposedly tying up a ton of their staff. That said, if they don't at least announce a TBD port at E3 I would be a bit shocked.
 
Why would anyone expect it to be there?

Why not? Sony had been pushing for Vita to be a parallel piece of hardware to the PS3. What is on one should be on the other.

That big Japanese PS3 titles are announced and not also on Vita is alarming news that people are ignoring.
 

BurntPork

Banned
I have faith in Activision to port CoD to everything that can run it, unlike a certain manic depressive poster in this thread (or so it would seem).

So do I, but do you think it'll be announced on the 28th? No chance in hell, and GAF will jump to conclusions, taking it as confirmation of what the analyst said.
 

Krev

Unconfirmed Member
During E3 there'll be a roundtable on GTTV with the leads behind some of the hottest titles of the show. Keighley will ask why none of their games will be seeing a Wii U port. Simultaneously, their voices will intone,
"Wii U is kind of a special case. The way the player interacts with the device is very different than any other device out there. So if I were to make a game for the Wii U, it would have to be a unique game."

They'll then make clear that their team's engines are compatible.
 

HylianTom

Banned
Actually, a lot of "Nintendo fanatics" are "irrational and detached from reality" because of their persecution complexes, where they insist that crappy third-party support happens because those companies just "hate Nintendo."

I'm not calling it that. I'm thinking they're afraid that they can't compete with Nintendo titles. They indeed can if they so choose, but that would entail putting their A-team on their Wii U projects and expending actual.. effort. That, and it's much easier to compete with MS & Sony's offerings.
 

boiled goose

good with gravy
But where do they get that time and resources? Moreover, why would they expend it on a system that has literally no install base?

RE:R sold like crap even when the 3DS was picking up steam. They have salted the earth for RE on Nintendo systems. They're not going to expend any more effort than is convenient.


exactly...
If it was another console other than WiiU, they would probably try to port it to that platform.

I'm not calling it that. I'm thinking they're afraid that they can't compete with Nintendo titles. They indeed can if they so choose, but that would entail putting their A-team on their Wii U projects and expending actual.. effort. That, and it's much easier to compete with MS & Sony's offerings.

I don't think publishers necessarily believe this. In pS360 they have to compete with COD for example. Competing with a first party or another third party is the same thing. The difference is, they know (or think they know) how to cater to the COD audience.
 

Anth0ny

Member
If you guys really hate that quote (which it seems like you do), I'll stop posting it.

But just realize one thing. All the devs are basically saying that, just in different words. Bullshit excuses for not porting games over to Wii U. I just thought Kojima's original version was hilarious, and needed to be shared over and over. Apparently you guys aren't huge fans >_>

But where do they get that time and resources? Moreover, why would they expend it on a system that has literally no install base?

RE:R sold like crap even when the 3DS was picking up steam. They have salted the earth for RE on Nintendo systems. They're not going to expend any more effort than is convenient.

Why would Ubi put Ass Creed 3 on Wii U? Where do they get that time and resources? Why would they expend it on a system that has literally no install base?

Why would Rocksteady put Arkham City on Wii U? Where do they get that time and resources? Why would they expend it on a system that has literally no install base?

Capcom's relationship with Nintendo is probably the tightest of all third parties, besides maybe Ubisoft. There is no reason why they can't tack on shitty, quick controller screen support and throw it on the system. I find it hard to believe they'd lose money on a port. It's a big title going into the holidays, and would be the game to have on Wii U alongside Mario and Assassin's Creed 3.

RE:R sold like crap because the handheld audience isn't interested in that kind of game. They shouldn't ignore Nintendo's new console because of that.
 

FoneBone

Member
But where do they get that time and resources? Moreover, why would they expend it on a system that has literally no install base?

Why would any third party port anything to the Wii U? Or to any new hardware?

As for the first question, I don't know enough about the dev team and its structure to answer that. Maybe you do.

(I'm still not clear: are you talking from a position of informed speculation - which is totally fair - or do you actually have info? I'm not meaning to be dismissive.)
 
I said it started development waaaaay before they got Wii U kits and is wrapping up development in the next few months. They can't even make a Lost Planet title internally right now and the team is struggling to get the game itself done on within the time frame they have. A Wii U port was unlikely.

That said, it's Capcom and Resident Evil. A port next year is probably likely, but expecting it now was foolish.

(The real story is why no RE6 for Vita.)

Yeah, for the same reason why you saying that a port being released now is unlikely, a port to the Wii will happen. Capcom spend alot of money making RE6, and capcom will likely want to milk that.

Ot, but why is the real story is Vita?
 
I'm not calling it that. I'm thinking they're afraid that they can't compete with Nintendo titles. They indeed can if they so choose, but that would entail putting their A-team on their Wii U projects and expending actual.. effort. That, and it's much easier to compete with MS & Sony's offerings.

Is it really? Halo sells a crap ton...
 

BurntPork

Banned
I said I don't believe any Wii U game is actually making it to market until it is announced. That was more of a comment on silly NDAs than AC3 actually being canceled. I did outright say that Ubisoft making an exclusive AC game for Wii U, as people somehow inferred last E3, was impossible and not happening.

Don't project your terrible predictions on me.

How was I supposed to know that their teams were all busy?
 
Why not? Sony had been pushing for Vita to be a parallel piece of hardware to the PS3. What is on one should be on the other.

That big Japanese PS3 titles are announced and not also on Vita is alarming news that people are ignoring.

It's already obvious enough to all but the most deludedly optimistic fanboys that Sony has utterly failed (KojiPro excepted) in whatever attempts they've made to position Vita as an additional platform for multiplatform HD development, so RE6 not being on Vita is not exactly a newsworthy surprise.
 
Well, would ya look at that. Looks like Wii U won't be getting RE6.
Couldn't even go a day without posting it again. Even I'm surprised by this.

"Wii U is kind of a special case," said the Resident Evil producer. "The way the player interacts with the device is very different than any other device out there. So if I were to make a game for the Wii U, it would have to be a unique game."

Bad schtick is bad.

~snores~
 
If you guys really hate that quote (which it seems like you do), I'll stop posting it.

But just realize one thing. All the devs are basically saying that, just in different words. Bullshit excuses for not porting games over to Wii U. I just thought Kojima's original version was hilarious, and needed to be shared over and over. Apparently you guys aren't huge fans >_>

But its not hilarious...it really isn't.
So yeah, do stop posting it, thanks.
 
Why were you guys expecting them to confirm a Wii U version of anything today?
No game has been announced for the system since E3. They're all under NDA (see Skyfall and Project CARS getting yanked instantly).
Stop with the knee jerking, people.
 

boiled goose

good with gravy
If you guys really hate that quote (which it seems like you do), I'll stop posting it.

But just realize one thing. All the devs are basically saying that, just in different words. Bullshit excuses for not porting games over to Wii U. I just thought Kojima's original version was hilarious, and needed to be shared over and over. Apparently you guys aren't huge fans >_>

I agree with you. Dont know why ppl are being so sensitive.
It is true unfortunately.
I'm a fan.
 

NateDrake

Member
I agree with you. Dont know why ppl are being so sensitive.
It is true unfortunately.
I'm a fan.

This thread moves very fast. We don't need fake quotes thrown around as it leads people to believe they are true & we are then stuck with people bitching for 10 pages about fake shit.
 

Krev

Unconfirmed Member
Why not? Sony had been pushing for Vita to be a parallel piece of hardware to the PS3. What is on one should be on the other.

That big Japanese PS3 titles are announced and not also on Vita is alarming news that people are ignoring.
I'd expect a Revelations port long before RE6 on the Vita. I doubt the device could handle RE6 without downgrades.
And really, there's no Dragon's Dogma on Vita, so why the hell would there be RE6?
At the end of the day, the only major Japanese developer crazy enthusiastic enough about Sony portables to put his team's main efforts on Vita is Kojima.
If you guys really hate that quote (which it seems like you do), I'll stop posting it.

But just realize one thing. All the devs are basically saying that, just in different words. Bullshit excuses for not porting games over to Wii U. I just thought Kojima's original version was hilarious, and needed to be shared over and over. Apparently you guys aren't huge fans >_>
Read over the last few pages. Some people like the joke! I understand people being frustrated by it, but it never gets old for me, unlike back and forward nonsense about specs that makes up the bulk of this thread.
 

FoneBone

Member
Why not? Sony had been pushing for Vita to be a parallel piece of hardware to the PS3. What is on one should be on the other.

That big Japanese PS3 titles are announced and not also on Vita is alarming news that people are ignoring.

I think it's been obvious for a loooooooooong time now that - Project Ogre aside - the PS3/360/Vita ecosystem that had been talked of last year is never going to materialize.

It's similar to the Wii situation, even though the difference isn't as big. Developers have a tech bias, and aren't going to compromise on behalf of the least powerful platform - at least when its userbase is miniscule.

(This will not work in the Wii U's favor if the PS4 and Durango are much more powerful.)
 

Sadist

Member
I agree with you. Dont know why ppl are being so sensitive.
It is true unfortunately.
I'm a fan.
It's mostly for the uninformed people who don't check this thread frequently. Before you know it, some dumb blog will post it as news, leading to misinformation.
 
Why were you guys expecting them to confirm a Wii U version of anything today?
No game has been announced for the system since E3. They're all under NDA (see Skyfall and Project CARS getting yanked instantly).
Stop with the knee jerking, people.

It's going to be such a buzzkill at E3 if Resident Evil 6 is announcerd amongst the genuinely exciting games there.

Best best is that Revelations 2 is there as an early tease for the 3DS.

Resident Evil 6 is like Power of 2.

Revelations is like the Power of Illusion.
 

Jokeropia

Member
Is it really? Halo sells a crap ton...
It's all relative. Mario Kart Wii has sold more than Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Wars, Halo 3: ODST and Halo: Reach combined.

Edit: Either way though, the notion that third party games should be measured against the success of first party games is flawed to begin with.
 
Why were you guys expecting them to confirm a Wii U version of anything today?
No game has been announced for the system since E3. They're all under NDA (see Skyfall and Project CARS getting yanked instantly).
Stop with the knee jerking, people.

Don't bother, let them be dumbshits with their wild theories.
 
But where do they get that time and resources? Moreover, why would they expend it on a system that has literally no install base?

RE:R sold like crap even when the 3DS was picking up steam. They have salted the earth for RE on Nintendo systems. They're not going to expend any more effort than is convenient.

Revelations bombed? That's sad to hear. I was still looking into picking that one up with my eventual 3DS purchase. I wonder what went wrong? Perhaps the the brand has been diluted too much w/ all the spinoffs. One even landed on 3DS a mere few months before. Without a number behind, is it possible it may have been written off by weary gamers? Or perhaps the time of year it was released played a factor.
 
Why would any third party port anything to the Wii U? Or to any new hardware?

As for the first question, I don't know enough about the dev team and its structure to answer that. Maybe you do.

(I'm still not clear: are you talking from a position of informed speculation - which is totally fair - or do you actually have info? I'm not meaning to be dismissive.)

Speculation that is informed by insider whispers.

And yes, that's a good question. Sometimes because Nintendo is working with the developers to get ports. THQ needs them for Darksiders II because they can't afford to advertise the game on their own and Nintendo will probably help (if THQ survives to actually release that game on Wii U, which is iffy). Nintendo probably couldn't convince Capcom to draw away from other internal resources to port RE6 to Wii U.

The Wii U is going to be way less of a reset button for developers than people think. With most generational transitions, you have the previous console to judge how a game will probably sell to that audience, launch buyers who will buy almost anything, and the ability to launch new IPs because the hardware will draw new people in even if the game design has yet to mature enough to be fun (Assassin's Creed 1, for example).

Wii U is going to be treated as the third HD console for the first year. Beyond that, it's up to Nintendo to get it new and exclusive software.
 

Krev

Unconfirmed Member
This thread moves very fast. We don't need fake quotes thrown around as it leads people to believe they are true & we are then stuck with people bitching for 10 pages about fake shit.
People being fooled comes with the territory for any new meme. Remember when people thought 'shot themselves in the foot' quotes were genuine meltdowns?
This thread is full of fake news anyway. At least this quote is (IMO) funny!
It's mostly for the uninformed people who don't check this thread frequently. Before you know it, some dumb blog will post it as news, leading to misinformation.
Which would lead to a legendary GAF thread. Everybody wins!
 
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