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Wii U Speculation thread IV: Photoshop rumors and image memes
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Always-honest
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Wow Nintendo, look how fast these threads go.
Look how bad we want the Wii-u to be the great Nintendo HD promise.
Look how bad we want the Wii-u to be the great Nintendo HD promise.
That mock up was surprisingly accurate
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
Bitter tears based on what?
Inferior HW is among the expectation range after the recent ramblings.
Most of the games discussed here are likely except for one or two wild guesses.
Personally speaking I'll only be disappointed if Ninty pulls a 2008.
Dreamwriter
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Bitter tears among those who were very vocal about the HW being inferior
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Yeah well my source says you're a meany head and my source is always right because my source is me.
yeah and that'll all change after the conference *smh*
You mean the conference where they show Pikmin 3, Eternal Darkness 2, Concept Grand Prix, New Legend Of Zelda, a fantastic new IP made by Retro, F-Zero Wii U and Super Mario 4?
Maybe I'm just expecting a bit too much
Capcom Hiring for Next-Gen MT Framework Refresh In 2013
Capcom basically bet their business on the success of the HD twins and were spurred to develop their MT-Framework engine when the 360 came out. Most if all their AAA titles were built from it. It took a while for the Wii to get a version of engine. This is why Wii, the leading console, basically got crap support from Capcom. There is a mobile version made for the 3DS.
So when I read this announcement, Im not expecting any serious WiiU support from Capcom till one or both of the HD twins releases a successor. And Im wondering if Capcom again is using Microsoft's new offering as a lead platform instead of the WiiU. Or, when Microsoft back in November or December showed their console, Capcom was able to determine what next gen actually looked like based on the WiiU and Durango.
This is how they are going to expand their engine:
Shader
CG program
Physical Simulation
AI system
At any rate, Capcom probably did not port their current MT-Framework engine to the WiiU. And thats why there is a good chance that Res6, etc. might not make an appearance on the WiiU. That said, Nintendo might of convinced Capcom to at least make one exclusive title for the WiiU that will be presented at E3 or TGS. And Im thinking its Monster Hunter. I think Nintendo really wants to capitalize on online gaming. A reason why they are also making inroads in Korea.
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http://exophase.com/34972/capcom-hiring-for-next-gen-mt-framework-refresh-in-2013/
Capcom basically bet their business on the success of the HD twins and were spurred to develop their MT-Framework engine when the 360 came out. Most if all their AAA titles were built from it. It took a while for the Wii to get a version of engine. This is why Wii, the leading console, basically got crap support from Capcom. There is a mobile version made for the 3DS.
So when I read this announcement, Im not expecting any serious WiiU support from Capcom till one or both of the HD twins releases a successor. And Im wondering if Capcom again is using Microsoft's new offering as a lead platform instead of the WiiU. Or, when Microsoft back in November or December showed their console, Capcom was able to determine what next gen actually looked like based on the WiiU and Durango.
This is how they are going to expand their engine:
Shader
CG program
Physical Simulation
AI system
At any rate, Capcom probably did not port their current MT-Framework engine to the WiiU. And thats why there is a good chance that Res6, etc. might not make an appearance on the WiiU. That said, Nintendo might of convinced Capcom to at least make one exclusive title for the WiiU that will be presented at E3 or TGS. And Im thinking its Monster Hunter. I think Nintendo really wants to capitalize on online gaming. A reason why they are also making inroads in Korea.
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so... who else is thinking of buying nintendo stock relatively soon?
here's their stock chart dating back to 1996
their all-time low was about 8 dollars at jan 1997, and a more recent low was about 9 dollars in june 2003.
- when the original NDS released their stock hovered around 15 dollars give or take 2.
- at jan 2006 on the brink of the dslite release, their stock begins to climb drastically to 18 dollars and spikes further when dslite finally gets a world launch at around summer time to 21 and beyond.
- the increase just keeps going throughout 2006 and when the wii is launched during the holidays and nintendo finishes the year at 32.50 dollars.
- the wii and dslite combine pick up so much steam that nintendos stock just skyrockets over the course of the next year and peaks in oct 2007 at 78.50, 4-5x their stock value from 1.5 years before
- after this point nintendo's stock begins a gradual decline over the next 4.5 years, with some spikes up and down
- nintendo's stock is now floating in the 18 dollar are all of this year
now im no crazy stock analyst, but right about this time is mirroring the drastic increase in stock value nintendo experience in early-mid 2006 to late 2007. here's how i see it:
- 3ds is picking up steam, and while i'm not gonna call it early, im pretty sure the 3ds is gonna reach dslite levels in terms of popularity
- if wii u can mimic or achieve a lot of the same hype and media blitz the original wii had, nintendo is gonna have their doom combo for a second generation in a row and their stock will blast off again
i figure that even if something absolutely terrible happens, nintendo's stock typically hangs around in the teens or low twenties anyway. buying now at 18ish dollars is a low risk-high reward scenario. the worst that could happen is if they plummet to 9 bucks (low point in the dark, dark GC days which i don't think can happen again) or repeat their DS/Wii success and have the investment possibly quadr/quintuple, or at the very least double.
tl;dr - risks are as follows: absolute worst case is that there is a complete meltdown in that wii u and 3ds both fail cataclysmically and investments get cut in half. best case is that their stock goes up by 4-5x or greater with the repeated success seen in wii/ds generation. the neutral/modest case is relatively little losses or little gains seeing as nintendo is stable at around 15-22 dollars anyway. the odds look to be in the favour of investment in nintendo
anyone have any thoughts?
here's their stock chart dating back to 1996
their all-time low was about 8 dollars at jan 1997, and a more recent low was about 9 dollars in june 2003.
- when the original NDS released their stock hovered around 15 dollars give or take 2.
- at jan 2006 on the brink of the dslite release, their stock begins to climb drastically to 18 dollars and spikes further when dslite finally gets a world launch at around summer time to 21 and beyond.
- the increase just keeps going throughout 2006 and when the wii is launched during the holidays and nintendo finishes the year at 32.50 dollars.
- the wii and dslite combine pick up so much steam that nintendos stock just skyrockets over the course of the next year and peaks in oct 2007 at 78.50, 4-5x their stock value from 1.5 years before
- after this point nintendo's stock begins a gradual decline over the next 4.5 years, with some spikes up and down
- nintendo's stock is now floating in the 18 dollar are all of this year
now im no crazy stock analyst, but right about this time is mirroring the drastic increase in stock value nintendo experience in early-mid 2006 to late 2007. here's how i see it:
- 3ds is picking up steam, and while i'm not gonna call it early, im pretty sure the 3ds is gonna reach dslite levels in terms of popularity
- if wii u can mimic or achieve a lot of the same hype and media blitz the original wii had, nintendo is gonna have their doom combo for a second generation in a row and their stock will blast off again
i figure that even if something absolutely terrible happens, nintendo's stock typically hangs around in the teens or low twenties anyway. buying now at 18ish dollars is a low risk-high reward scenario. the worst that could happen is if they plummet to 9 bucks (low point in the dark, dark GC days which i don't think can happen again) or repeat their DS/Wii success and have the investment possibly quadr/quintuple, or at the very least double.
tl;dr - risks are as follows: absolute worst case is that there is a complete meltdown in that wii u and 3ds both fail cataclysmically and investments get cut in half. best case is that their stock goes up by 4-5x or greater with the repeated success seen in wii/ds generation. the neutral/modest case is relatively little losses or little gains seeing as nintendo is stable at around 15-22 dollars anyway. the odds look to be in the favour of investment in nintendo
anyone have any thoughts?
StreetsAhead
Member
Don'T forget the new Pokemon battle sim/adventure thing for the 5th gen.
It's coming. It's going to make use of NFC. Prepare your wallets.
I can't wait for the meltdowns when its revealed, looks like Uncharted and everyone hates on the new art style.
Thrillhouse
Member
That's the problem with these threads, the same "news" gets rehashed every few weeks and everyone seem to have forgotten that we've already written it off. That quote was about him doing illustrations for his brothers novel.
I bought stock after seeing the Wii because I just felt it would go nuts. It did. Stocks went stratospheric and I didn't sell. Then the crash came and it didn't stop. I didn't sell. I was a moron. However I'm contemplating buying some more Nintendo ADRs.
Thing is, I'm not so sure of the Wii U's success. Gaming has changed a lot in 5/6 years and tablets are common whereas motion controls were nowhere before the Wii era. Even though Wii U isn't a tablet it may be perceived as one by the public and, well, we know who the big player is in that space. Not saying its a gimme it can't gain traction on its tablet features, after all Nintendo are pretty inventive, but I just don't think it's as much as a sure thing as the Wii was.
Aonuma can do the fuck he wants for Zelda WiiU, I trust him not for a single second, as long as I get my topdown Zelda on 3DS (one that is not dumbed down ala DS).
Exactly how rich did you get?
My source tells me if that's the only thing you're gonna write ,then the source went on to say that its better just to not say anything at all....pinch of salt all of that....etc...
why is his brother writing a novel about zelda?
JoshuaJSlone
Member
I imagine Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest being assumed Nintendo games now rather than being confirmed 1-2 years after launch is kind of a big deal.
Thrillhouse
Member
eish, a lot of things have happened ehh?
the pages are doubled from yesterday to today!!
So is there something new about the Wii U?
I only read some of the last few pages and want to reply:
As far as I can say it we dont have trademark issue with Wii U here in Germany.
Then there was a discussion abt casual/hardcore and I want to add the following.
I would call myself a gamer and gaming is one of my hobbies/passions!!
IMO how the gaming world has changed over the past decades is the issue here.
First there were gamers only.
Then some of the gamers wanted to call themself hardcore cos they did that contra stuff (allready explained from someone b4).
And this generation brought up the problem from casual and hardcore (with a new definition).
The problem is the youth that have an identity problem (and the media who wants to cater to them), b4 the last generation a e.g. 14yrs. old could say see I'm not like my parents or grandparents, no I'm a gamer!!
But Nintendo came up with the Wii...
Parents and even grandparents started to play...PLAY...
Instead of being happy, they saw it like someone attacked their identity.
So they called them casual with negative meaning.
the pages are doubled from yesterday to today!!
So is there something new about the Wii U?
I only read some of the last few pages and want to reply:
As far as I can say it we dont have trademark issue with Wii U here in Germany.
Then there was a discussion abt casual/hardcore and I want to add the following.
I would call myself a gamer and gaming is one of my hobbies/passions!!
IMO how the gaming world has changed over the past decades is the issue here.
First there were gamers only.
Then some of the gamers wanted to call themself hardcore cos they did that contra stuff (allready explained from someone b4).
And this generation brought up the problem from casual and hardcore (with a new definition).
The problem is the youth that have an identity problem (and the media who wants to cater to them), b4 the last generation a e.g. 14yrs. old could say see I'm not like my parents or grandparents, no I'm a gamer!!
But Nintendo came up with the Wii...
Parents and even grandparents started to play...PLAY...
Instead of being happy, they saw it like someone attacked their identity.
So they called them casual with negative meaning.
Almost as though the young gamers were saying, "what are they doing to MY hobby? They're ruining it!"
AceBandage
Banned
A cycle as old as gaming itself.
DaSorcerer7
Member
Are you guys expecting any betrayaltons at E3?
AceBandage
Banned
In what way?
There's not really any game that I can see that isn't already multiplatform that people would care about.
DaSorcerer7
Member
Hmm..maybe FFXIII versus?
AceBandage
Banned
I doubt we'll ever see that game released, honestly.
no i mean how people (some in this thread) claim to be excited about the Wii U when they're gonna cry, complain, piss and moan it to hell and back when it's not what they want. or are just in it just to troll
Sadly, no. But I would not be surprised if Nintendo comes forward with several Japanese exclusives. The big question in my mind: how high-profile will these exclusives get?
It's been a year? Christ I'm getting old.
I tell you what: of the past twelve months, the time when I wasn't waiting and speculating seemed to go by much more quickly than the time where I was.
I think yesterday was where I remarked that it felt that things were finally happening, and that it felt like we were getting close. Not this morning - now it feels like we're light years away.
I don't understand why Pikmin 3 is so undoubtedly going to be there for the Wii U launch according to many Nintendo fans. It comes up quite often as being a sure bet, but why? I understand that it's been a while since Pikmin 2, and that Miyamoto has been working on 3 off and on for a good while, but to me that doesn't guarantee anything. Did we get any sort of official or unofficial confirmation about it being close to done? (Not saying I wouldn't want it to happen or anything, just asking.)
Miyamoto specifically said it had been in development on Wii for a while, so it would be sensible to expect it close to Wii U launch.
Though nothing beats a confirmed release date, obviously.
I take it with a grain of salt, but Miyamoto in June 2011 said that Pikmin 3 was "almost finished" at tha point..
Shigeru Miyamoto confirms ‘Pikmin 3′ as a Wii U title
http://videogamewriters.com/shigeru-miyamoto-confirms-pikmin-3-as-a-wii-u-title-12772
Take it for what it's worth. If it doesn't come out around Launch, I'd interpret it as a sign that something has gone horribly wrong in the development process..
Okay. I took a long break from the Wii U threads (and the internet in general) and thought maybe I missed something.
EDIT:
Ahh, now I see. I either totally forgot about that, or just never read it. Thanks
Kacho
Member
I have a good feeling about Nintendo at E3 this year. I just have a feeling that they're going to kill it.
Last year Iwata stated that they lost the core gamers and this time around they want to win them back. He also said that they were willing to spend money to nab 3rd party support.
Looking at how they've turned things around with the 3ds and considering the lessons they learned with the 3ds launch, the writing is on the wall in my eyes.
Last year Iwata stated that they lost the core gamers and this time around they want to win them back. He also said that they were willing to spend money to nab 3rd party support.
Looking at how they've turned things around with the 3ds and considering the lessons they learned with the 3ds launch, the writing is on the wall in my eyes.
I'm still not convinced. Nintendo in the handheld market is entirely different from the one in the console area. I'd love to see them doing all the right things (A Nintendo console with excellent third party support would be my dream console) but... well you know: Nintendo is weird.
test_account
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I wouldn't call the 3DS a 3rd party haven. It's mostly the VITA is young and has no hype (unfortunately).
All in all, Nintendo IPs + Nintendo sponsored 3rd party games and I'll be fine. I'll get a XBOX720 anyway. But 3rd party support + streaming games to the bedroom would be awesome.
Your post didn't need much fixing.
Nah.. this year's going to be ceiling tiles.
Well they've already got the two biggest sellers in Japan aka Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter. I don't really see many other BIG Japanese franchises they could secure as exclusives. The days of getting a mainline Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, etc. as an exclusive are probably pretty much over.
test_account
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Yeah, i think think that there will be more than one 1st party game, but i'm not really sure what it could be. Many good suggestions in this thread that i think are plausible to happen though
DefectiveReject
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Price? - £250
Release date? November 2012-December 2012 Worldwide
1st party launch titles? Pikmin 3 - New Mario WiiU - WiiU Get Fit (Downloadable title) - WiihUHu Vacation - Downloadable Title - GC VC - WiiU Sports - WiiU Play (Second Controller £80)
Bullshit xbox360 multiplier equivalent? 3x
E3 Surprise? Monster Hunter and Final Fantasy coming in launch window, more titles than you think, Luigis Mansion, Kid Icarus, Animal Crossing WiiU titles and all have WiiU / 3DS cross functions via 3DS game updates
Release date? November 2012-December 2012 Worldwide
1st party launch titles? Pikmin 3 - New Mario WiiU - WiiU Get Fit (Downloadable title) - WiihUHu Vacation - Downloadable Title - GC VC - WiiU Sports - WiiU Play (Second Controller £80)
Bullshit xbox360 multiplier equivalent? 3x
E3 Surprise? Monster Hunter and Final Fantasy coming in launch window, more titles than you think, Luigis Mansion, Kid Icarus, Animal Crossing WiiU titles and all have WiiU / 3DS cross functions via 3DS game updates
Yeah.. after posting that, I had to sit and rack my brain a bit about possible titles.. but it's hard to imagine many.
In that case, I'd love to see Nintendo moneyhat some big new third-party IPs. Maybe offer development support/assistance and then offer to help with advertising the hell out of these new titles. Give these games marquee treatment on whatever preview channel that the console includes, help with the TV ad budget, etc.
If Nintendo can make its machine the go-to place for the best of Japanese gaming, it basically assures that the Wii U will not do poorly. I'm convinced of that much.. so let's see 'em throw some cash around!
I highly doubt Nintendo would unleash too many big 1st party titles upon launch. Launch window, sure, but launch would be too crowded. That said, I absolutely believe that Nintendo will release the system with a U_Play (including Chase Mii and Battle Mii, etc.) to show off the asymmetrical nature of the system alongside NSMB Mii. The days of Nintendo releasing a console without a 2D-style Mario game at launch should be done with, especially if they're going for mass penetration.
EDIT: Nintendo's focus shouldn't be so much targeting big 3rd party titles, but rather working with smaller, talented Japanese developers that - without Nintendo's help - may not be able to really do something ambitious with the system and its features. Nintendo should promote the growth of developers in order to garner exclusive content and foster relationships with those that have the potential to shift into major players later on. Many of the Japanese big 3rd parties are sort of spotty at the moment, so looking for the next-generation is a wiser and likely less expensive option in my eyes.
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