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Fez's dev to japanese developers: "your games just suck"

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On the other hand A)I'm allowed to express myself too which felt good B) I dropped the Twitter thread right away and C) in an indirect way it eventually led to him giving the guy a seemingly sincere public apology. So yeah, not feeling too guilty. And no offense, but please don't go on with another loooooong thesis on the "gray areas of public expression and empathy when public act stupid," they're well worded but I'm not into it.

Haha. It wasn't an accusation so much as an observation, but surely you can see why people would think you a hypocrite for your actions?

I wasn't planning to type up another long post on anything in this thread. It's not worth doing so via text. I went overboard last time, without really actually intending to do so. Still, if you don't want people to respond to things you say, why do you say them in the first place?
 
A nice attempt at a "deep counter-rant" or something.

lol I'm not upset. On the contrary, I find it very pathetic in a sad way that the guy won't shut up. I really wish he would to both he and his team's benefit since as he says himself, he has a game to sell and tons of debt to pay off. And I've already said several times in this thread I think that it's good he posted a follow up apology. I posted the Twitter pic ONCE, a week ago. Big flippin' deal. A week later and Fish rants endlessly and picks fights with everyone from QA folks to Giant Bomb to Gametrailers. But yeah, nice try at trying to swing it back. Anyways, hope you're not tired of MST3K pics too because as for the rest of your spiel:

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wolfmat

Confirmed Asshole
lol I'm not upset. On the contrary, I find it very pathetic in a sad way that the guy won't shut up. I really wish he would to both he and his team's benefit since as he says himself, he has a game to sell and tons of debt to pay off. And I've already said several times in this thread I think that it's good he posted a follow up apology. I posted the Twitter pic ONCE, a week ago while Fish rants endlessly and picks fights with everyone from QA folks to Gametrailers. Big flippin' deal. Anyways, hope MST3K pics don't make you mad too because as for the rest of your spiel:

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I'm not mad, I'm weirded out.

Of course he won't shut up. Why would he? It's Twitter. Who shuts up on Twitter?

I'm not sure what his debt has to do with anything.

This is obviously not actually about your Twitter pic. It's also not really about you.

(And you can't actually use HTML pages as images, but I appreciate the gesture)
 
I'm not mad, I'm weirded out.

Of course he won't shut up. Why would he? It's Twitter. Who shuts up on Twitter?

I'm not sure what his debt has to do with anything.

This is obviously not actually about your Twitter pic. It's also not really about you.

(And you can't actually use HTML pages as images, but I appreciate the gesture)

Again:

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Dude, your replies are so boring and lame. Give up. Going on about my avatar and username and HTML typos and things. Oh my. Anyways, as you can see, I fixed the lolz HTML gif link. Tom Servo mocks you in all his gumball machine-bodied automaton glory. Twice. Just to show you how I "just can't stop and stuff."
 
Giving up makes sense
When there is not much to gain
This is really dumb
— Old Japanese saying

Your Japanese saying sucks! :p

Now seriously:

1.- About the "your games sucks" everybody here talked about generalization, racism, modern japanese industry, if Blow or Inafune say similar things...

But it's still very impolite to tell, in a conference, something like "your games sucks". Doesn't matter if who make the question (and then, the subject) is a young japanese developer, a Ubi developer, a Facebook social game developer or Molineux.

If someone say that he's a Facebook, Ubi, japanese, developer, and ask about current Facebook, Ubi, japanese, games, you don't insult the guy saying "your games sucks". Even if those games really sucks. You offer an argumented constructive critic. Or not critic at all.

2.- About testers. I'm a programmer in a company, and in all the games where I work, in the credits, appear all the tester names. It's the fair thing to do (and if you forget to add a name, they will report this as a bug :p ). And in all the games that I play, in the credits, there are the tester names. And if it's a small game and there is nothing in the tester section of the credits, I assume that there hasn't been testers, and the game has been tested by the same developers. In the credits of a game, there has to be all people that has worked in the game, even the people that abandoned the project before being finished.

Honestly, isn't that pretty much exactly what Fez is (but more refined)? Seems like it to me. Collect a few things, rotate the level a few times, move on to the next level.

Yep, but the game is from 2011, and Fez was shown in gameplay on 2008, so Sky Island is based on Fez, not the reverse.
 

matt360

Member
I thought he said he quit.

He stopped using his main account and directed everyone to follow @polytron for all updates pertaining to FEZ.

If you follow Nick Suttner, he retweeted something from Fish, but if you click the link it takes you to an alternate reality Phil Fish Twitter feed. Weird stuff. But there are only 56 tweets whereas Fish's normal feed had thousands.
 

speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
He stopped using his main account and directed everyone to follow @polytron for all updates pertaining to FEZ.

This is the most logical course of action. Sit tight, let the storm roll over, don't open your mouth until the game hits, and let it speak for itself. He said the wrong thing at the wrong time and paid the price for it with the amount of negativity that has hit him like a tsunami.

I'm still interested in the game and I still want to see a PC release once Microsoft stop bleating. Hopefully by that time the crucifixion of a single person who let his mouth run loose to a stranger in a carefree environment will have passed and I can either enjoy or deride the game for its own merits.
 
This is the most logical course of action. Sit tight, let the storm roll over, don't open your mouth until the game hits, and let it speak for itself. He said the wrong thing at the wrong time and paid the price for it with the amount of negativity that has hit him like a tsunami.

I'm still interested in the game and I still want to see a PC release once Microsoft stop bleating. Hopefully by that time the crucifixion of a single person who let his mouth run loose to a stranger in a carefree environment will have passed and I can either enjoy or deride the game for its own merits.

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geebee

Banned
This is the most logical course of action. Sit tight, let the storm roll over, don't open your mouth until the game hits, and let it speak for itself...
Only.. he didn't. He made it worse by acting a fool on Twitter. He should've made a quick apology and them immediately after direct everyone to the Polytron twitter.
 

Eusis

Member
It's made me hesitate enough that I ended up going "Wait, this is probably going to be on Steam anyway, better wait instead." Given some of the other crap out there though (Sugiyama's dumbass views) this is fairly benign, he was a massively rude jerk rather than fervently denying outright atrocities occurred due to his national pride.
 
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Deleted member 22576

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I'm with the other guy here. I don't like the idea of my money going to a guy like that.
Suit yourself, but you're not giving him money out of the kindness in your heart. You're buying a good video game-tape.
 

GuardianE

Santa May Claus
So, aside from his initial comments to the Japanese dev at the panel, he's a major asshole on Twitter and refused to put game testers in the credits to his game. Did I miss anything substantial?
 

speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
Talk about reopening a can of worms. The official thread dismissed talk surrounding the external factors of the game for a reason. Time to move on.
 
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Deleted member 22576

Unconfirmed Member
It's not like we're in a year that's lacking in a great games. Missing out on one game isn't a big deal.
I think like all good games you're better off having played FEZ than not having played it. And in my humble opinion it is down right silly to boycott a game because Phil Fish is a cocky kid with a chip on his shoulder. But I do lots of silly stuff too so who am I to judge.
 

speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
Yes, so they can discuss the game. This isn't the official thread, so all those complaints about Fish can go here.

This thread climbed up Mount Everest and back twice already. People were given the pedestal and had their say as evidenced by the 2,800+ posts. My point is why bother keeping it up now? It's the epitome of beating a dead horse.
 

Riggs

Banned
Wow. Did not know this guy was behind Fez. Definitely not supporting this aashole. Enough great games out there, no need to support an arrogant jerk like this guy.
 
This thread climbed up Mount Everest and back twice already. People were given the pedestal and had their say as evidenced by the 2,800+ posts. My point is why bother keeping it up now? It's the epitome of beating a dead horse.

Even with the warning in the title, you still get people coming in talking about the incident. If it keeps people from shitting up the thread, I don't see the problem. No one's forcing you to revisit this thread, you've already said what you wanted to with your summation post, right?
 
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