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Don't Believe the Hype! Games you Purchased on a GAF Recommendation That Made you SAD
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If we're talking about 1-1, the dragon only breathes fire on the bridge once, when he flies over it. In 1-2, you can just stand back and watch.
In Undead Burg, he breathes fire once when he's flying toward the portcullis to perch, and again whenever you run toward him.
Rodney McKay
Member
Pretty much. There are plenty of games I LOVE but I can always see the flaws. I can also see the positives in games that I don't like.
Red Faction Gurrilla is one of my favorite open world games ever, but it has a pretty uninteresting world and a practically non-existant storyline.
I bought TWEWY, but stopped after a few hours because I couldn't get a hang of the combat and didn't know what the hell I was suppose to do next to progress the game. I can respect the games crazy controls and cool systems, but it really wasn't for me.
I fucking HATED Kid Icarus, and even I can understand how people can enjoy it or even love it.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Any game that was hyped with long overly boring cutscenes.
You see the dragon laying nearby, which is what he means I guess. There's nothing telling you it's going to fly off and roast the bridge the first time, you do hear the wings flap as you go on the bridge but it's something that will get most people.
I saw some of my friends go through this part and it pissed a lot of them off. They mostly went to classes with heavier armor to start and seemed to be over encumbered, which the game also doesn't explain, and couldn't do much. I laughed though.
shinobi602
Member
There's plenty of games here that I dislike. If I couldn't care less about them, I'm not going to bother going into their OT threads and start posting about it.
Rahxephon91
Banned
Because you will get set on fire.
I do get the point, but that's what this thread has devolved into.
He's talking about Demon's, not Dark. But about Dark, the bonfire is only 10 seconds away AFTER you get past the bridge and drop the ladder. Otherwise it's a good walk.
That one felt much cheaper tbh.
GAF recommends Ass Creed 1?
The first Assassin's Creed had incredible technology but was just a really just ridiculously dull, repetitive game with 5 or 6 awesome scripted assassinations. I don't think anybody would try to argue that.
They definitely got better, but 2 was sorely missing the really cool "boss" type, intricate assassinations.
It's a little different. Purchasing a game, playing through it, and not liking it, is different from simply not caring about a particular game. I would expect that if someone had a major complaint about a recently released game they purchased, they might check the OT and comment in it.
Riposte
Member
Again, I must wonder what the hell people who bought Dark Souls then found it too hard were reading. Same could be said for Catherine.
Recommendations can be really disingenuous at times, because there's a strong desire for certain types of games to work on the platform when it really hasn't. I've seen people suggest something like "Superbrothers: Sword & Sorcery EP" as an answer to the type of high-quality "action(-adventure)" games you can only get on consoles/dedicated portables, but (despite looking so in posted screenshots) it is totally not that lol.
Probably my favorite JRPG when I think about it. It has gathered some "cult" appeal, especially after the much improved PC release.
EDIT: Speaking of which, are people ever talking about the PC release of Assassin's Creed 1? That wasn't very repetitive. Seems like the only worthwhile version of the game to play.
EDIT: On Radiant Historia...
I didn't so much consider it a "recommendation" I received, but the OT and several posts about it more or less spread false information about what time travel / story paths meant in that game. It was described as a highly ambitious effort where you made deep choices for new story paths (sounds great, right?). In actuality there are two paths and you need to play them both to progress in either (so really one path). Off these two paths (or honestly "the path") are splits which are really glorified gameovers that end as soon as they begin. The ultimate gain of this system was the cool looking timeline menu (lol) and a side-quest structure which could end up confusing.
Recommendations can be really disingenuous at times, because there's a strong desire for certain types of games to work on the platform when it really hasn't. I've seen people suggest something like "Superbrothers: Sword & Sorcery EP" as an answer to the type of high-quality "action(-adventure)" games you can only get on consoles/dedicated portables, but (despite looking so in posted screenshots) it is totally not that lol.
Probably my favorite JRPG when I think about it. It has gathered some "cult" appeal, especially after the much improved PC release.
EDIT: Speaking of which, are people ever talking about the PC release of Assassin's Creed 1? That wasn't very repetitive. Seems like the only worthwhile version of the game to play.
EDIT: On Radiant Historia...
I didn't so much consider it a "recommendation" I received, but the OT and several posts about it more or less spread false information about what time travel / story paths meant in that game. It was described as a highly ambitious effort where you made deep choices for new story paths (sounds great, right?). In actuality there are two paths and you need to play them both to progress in either (so really one path). Off these two paths (or honestly "the path") are splits which are really glorified gameovers that end as soon as they begin. The ultimate gain of this system was the cool looking timeline menu (lol) and a side-quest structure which could end up confusing.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
Not Gaf per se, but after RDR and LA Noire, I've stopped listening to the hype regarding R* games.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Shoot I got past it first time. *shrug*
I remember Demon's being worse though. Ended up just filling the jerk with arrows to keep him from hassling me.
(I'm also in the camp who didn't care much for Demon but enjoyed Dark)
R_thanatos
Member
Sorry then ... it was sarcasm ??
IN this thread i decided to not even activate my sarcasm detector.. it would have been broken.
My bad
It is a chance to vent about games that have pissed you off. It shouldn't be personal when someone hates something you like. I never understood why people get so bent out of shape when this happens. It isn't like you worked on the game (unless you did, then I totally get itThis just seems to be some aspect of human nature though. People get their self worth wrapped up in their tastes somehow.
That's fine, but reading through the thread is more like one-liners with very few people explaining why they disliked the game they did. It reads more like: YEAH, I SAID IT! I HATE THE GAME YOU LIKE! SO WHAT?
toastyToast
Member
In Dark the bridge is covered in oil and the dudes are arranged in a way that looks like a throwback to 1-1. The games teach you to be cautious and something is usually up if you come across an open environments (like Taurus moments earlier).
I always had the feeling of "I should have known" when I messed up; excluding Bed of Chaos which is genuinely unpredictable.
Rahxephon91
Banned
Nope, but they will recommend 2, which is here they fail.
Well I think they fail. Not to say AC2 and after are bad. I just don't like them. Mostly because the answer 2 had was just ad a bunch of shit. Which I guess worked, there's a lot more content. But I don't think that's how you should have improved 1. AC1 had a solid structure. The game has what? 18 assassin targets and each one is it's own event. Well I would have liked them to keep that structure, but make the investigation part and the actual assassination better. The investigations would be more involved and maybe have side options that can lead you to affect how the target moves or where they are. Maybe give you the edge by opening a new path to them. And each target would be very unique in itself. Thats the direction I wanted AC to go. Kind of like the Hitman games maybe. But they didn't and I've dropped the series.
I've yet to hear a legit criticism of Dark Souls in this thread. "It's too hard!" doesn't count.
The Last Remnant may be my favorite RPG over all generations and I'm not even kidding.
Muffdraul
Member
I make it a point to avoid shitting up OTs, and take advantage of these sorts of threads when I feel like mentioning a hyped game didn't do it for me. I'd think that's the preferred etiquette.
TheMan
Member
yup. some people just don't understand that others have different opinions and will do their best to make sure that you know that THEIR opinion is somehow objectively correct.
When people say stuff like this, I want them to list every other game they've ever played so that I can point out their obvious hyperbole with smug satisfaction.
I think Dark was fine with this stuff in general, the Dragon segment is the only thing that feels like a newbie trap. If you never played Demon's then it's more unexpected, even if the games promote caution you might inch across the bridge, hear a dragon and suspect to sprint past as it may land BEHIND you, but it doesn't. That's an element of the unexpected and not something you can properly anticipate and respond to imo.
The hilarious elevator in Sen's Fortress is covered with blood so I stepped off when I noticed and saw it rise into spikes...things like that are well done. The mimic got me but I don't really remember if there's a cue for it.
I saw it in the giantbomb QL so I also never got hit by it, but it's atleast more out of nowhere the first time.
I also liked Dark a lot more than Demon's overall.
I'm reading a thread like this and what instantly springs to mind is that a lot of people seem to have bought into the hype without reading why the game was so hyped in the first place. I think the complaints about 999 having too much text or Dark Souls being too hard kind of illustrate this.
Not that I say either of those games are perfect. Dark Souls in particular suffers from repetitive areas towards the end. For a game that is all about being smart and cutting the bullshit, cutting some of those areas would've been wise.
I'm not really sure OTs should all be about gushing and hype either. Saying your opinion while pinpointing what it is exactly that you don't like about a game should be perfectly fine.
Not that I say either of those games are perfect. Dark Souls in particular suffers from repetitive areas towards the end. For a game that is all about being smart and cutting the bullshit, cutting some of those areas would've been wise.
I'm not really sure OTs should all be about gushing and hype either. Saying your opinion while pinpointing what it is exactly that you don't like about a game should be perfectly fine.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
People keeping their complaints to themselves when it comes to OT's isn't exactly a new thing. They're usually very unwelcoming of negative opinions. It's one of the reasons why I tend to avoid them these days. It's also one of the reasons why I think threads like these are necessary sometimes.
Riposte
Member
But what if a, b, and c is "I sucked at this game", e.g. plenty of the posts about Demon's Souls or Dark Souls in this thread lol.
TheMan
Member
so what? if sucking at a game causes them to dislike it, that doesn't change the fact that it's their opinion.
Exactly.
Phat Michael
Banned
SOTC/Ico - bought it after everyone here masturbated over it through tears of nostalgia. terrible, terrible games with awful gameplay mechanics. Gave up straight away and havent touched them since.
Batman Arkham Asylum - repetitive and generic. Everyone here loved it and i couldnt believe how boring it was. didnt even entertain arkham city.
Red Dead Redemption.
LA Noire.
Deadspace.
So many games that are overhyped on here for the first few months then turn into repetitive cheap games very quickly.
Batman Arkham Asylum - repetitive and generic. Everyone here loved it and i couldnt believe how boring it was. didnt even entertain arkham city.
Red Dead Redemption.
LA Noire.
Deadspace.
So many games that are overhyped on here for the first few months then turn into repetitive cheap games very quickly.
Wyndstryker
Member
I think people need to learn to do research on a game instead of listening to hype trains. If a game is good and revered by many, it doesn't mean you will like it. Do your research so you don't have to spend money on things you don't like.
This is also how you avoid having massive backlogs and get to enjoy gaming way more.
This is also how you avoid having massive backlogs and get to enjoy gaming way more.
Man I keep forgetting games like this. I had no interest in the game because of the developer behind it but a week or so before it came out I was bored and nothing was coming out for another month or two and I started reading the game's OT here. Combine that with being able to get it for $30 or so on green man gaming before it even came out and I jumped.
Fucking awful game from top to bottom. But hey it had co-op so that alone makes it amazing to some people...ugh.
Someone liking or disliking a game is totally fine and none of my business. I just take issue with people basing their criticism on inaccurate or distorted claims.
Riposte
Member
It is better for GAF overall if people trash a game within its OT. People go into OTs to get a sense of a game, so it doesn't help to cut off half the conversation. However if you do that you should be able to hold your own in an argument, against even rabid fanboys.
Both statements aren't mutually exclusive, just saying.
The mimic is a bitch. Sometimes you're warned through a sign but that's it. And because it is the first time in the game you'll encounter it it's really an awful surprise...
And that elevator... I saw it. I was like "hmmm, be warned...!" and then I became curious...
Turnstyle
Member
I bought it pretty much blind, based on all the excitement here.
Being a big adventure game fan I thought I'd be into it...but no. I really hated it.
To be fair, I guess it served as a warning to me to not bother with visual novels ever again.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
I agree that would be better but that's just not the way it works. And being able to hold my own in an argument against rabid fanboys doesn't mean I actually want to. Who wants to get into a multi page quote war just because they didn't like something about a game?
I love RPGs and JRPGs, but TiTS is really just a bore. It moves at a glacial pace. I can beat most modern games in the time that game takes to get across one major plot point.
Meccanical
Member
You know you can have a good opinion, or a bad one.
GTFO. You may not like Xenoblade, but saying its 'more linear than Pong' is fucking ridiculous. If all you play is Skyrim and Minecraft, then yes, it might seem a little linear by comparison, but by pretty much any other standard, its quite a big, wide-open game that you can play at your own pace and take breaks from the main story at most any time and have a ton of stuff to do still.
I think people would have enough common sense to realize that they aren't always going to like what everyone else likes. And when you do happen to be an exception-to-the-rule, dont go saying you got 'suckered' into buying it and definitely dont go screaming for other people to not play it.
And that was stupid.
Its just as important to learn WHY people like a game so much as it is to know that people like it.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
Since when do opinions have to be validated by the masses? This game is too hard is just as valid as when the elitists say they dislike a game because it's too easy.
