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Game Informer's Guessable Cover: Elders Scrolls Online [Move to details thread]
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FieryBalrog
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It's actually a terrible time to launch a subscription MMO. There's too much F2P/cheap competition for your dollars.
F2P, that's another story.
a secret-boss
Banned
I'm finally surprise by a game informer cover
Awesome news... looking forward to hearing more and seeing it in motion.
Also took that image above and made it more desktop friendly
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3642594/ESMMO_desk.jpg
Also took that image above and made it more desktop friendly
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3642594/ESMMO_desk.jpg
boredJonathan
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Can't wait for all the user mods to hit for this... Mods are always the best part of any Elder Scrolls game.
Oh wait.
Oh wait.
FPS MMO? no.
And they won't stand a chance against WoW if they clone their game from it (like 99% of the mmo's out today). MMO genre is dying because its full of copycats. EVE Online is one example of how your game can be much different from WoW and still do good.
But given this is Elder Scrolls, it will aim for that big casual crowd of WoW and inevitably try to copy it as a result. The biggest problem with MMO devs is that they think new people won't come to the genre if they try something different.
HiddenWings
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Considering they picked it up 5 years ago, I can't imagine they haven't made their own changes.
Here's the article, for the curious.
FieryBalrog
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They make WoW clones for the same reason they make every special effects movie in 3D now. And why everything is a trilogy nowadays.
They have no idea what people really want, they just see something that is/was wildly successful and want to replicate it.
That's because SWTOR is a pretty boring game. It's too grindy and by the [WoW] book for a single player game, and it's strengths are too single player focused for an MMO, so it fails on both fronts. (Plus subscription moneyz)
IDK, I think that handled right (and running away as far as possible from the WoW formula) TES universe lends itself pretty well for a massive online experience. Wait and see I guess.
maabus1999
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I'll have to buy the GI issue and read these pages.
Few take aways and questions:
1.) 3 Factions for PvP = great start. Every MMO that is serious about PvP should have at a minimum 3 factions.
2.) Is each zone the size (or at least close) to the zones seen in the last few ES games? If so, then I would imagine there will be a ton of players per server which is good. The current disaster of all recent MMO's is opening too many servers and then losing the "3 months and out" majority for most MMO's, leaving the rest of the fans scattered. Lower amount of servers = better long term health IMO. Just need to be able to handle it!
3.) I can't imagine them deviating too much from what makes ES...well...ES with the skill system. I expect a skill system here. Maybe close to Asheron's Call or SWG in design?
4.) ES as a game is sand box based. As above, I can't see them deviating so expect a sandbox system. Be nice to have territory control (if the land is big enough as hoped in #2), in depth crafting economy (see EVE or SWG), resources (mine) control, and player created cities/towns/villages.
I'll have to keep thinking up a wishlist. Still, for this game to succeed, I believe they need to follow what I laid out here.
Few take aways and questions:
1.) 3 Factions for PvP = great start. Every MMO that is serious about PvP should have at a minimum 3 factions.
2.) Is each zone the size (or at least close) to the zones seen in the last few ES games? If so, then I would imagine there will be a ton of players per server which is good. The current disaster of all recent MMO's is opening too many servers and then losing the "3 months and out" majority for most MMO's, leaving the rest of the fans scattered. Lower amount of servers = better long term health IMO. Just need to be able to handle it!
3.) I can't imagine them deviating too much from what makes ES...well...ES with the skill system. I expect a skill system here. Maybe close to Asheron's Call or SWG in design?
4.) ES as a game is sand box based. As above, I can't see them deviating so expect a sandbox system. Be nice to have territory control (if the land is big enough as hoped in #2), in depth crafting economy (see EVE or SWG), resources (mine) control, and player created cities/towns/villages.
I'll have to keep thinking up a wishlist. Still, for this game to succeed, I believe they need to follow what I laid out here.
blahblah...blah
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I have serious faith in this, because I'm not a cynical cunt. Really hope it turns out well!
LOL no.
FieryBalrog
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8 years of the MMO industry should have turned anyone into a cynical cunt.
RebornYeti
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Gryphon?
See: Demon's/Dark Souls. It is possible.
LiquidMetal14
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Feels good to be a PC enthusiast.
I'm like 90% sure Bethesda and some of it's employees are involved with this project. My friend was offered a job on an unannounced MMO last January through one of Bethesda's producers. LMAO @ people writing it off because it doesn't have their name cited as doing any work on it atm.
djplaeskool
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That would be awesome if the console still worked.
Cheese wheels EVERYWHERE.
Cheese wheels EVERYWHERE.
SparksterMeta0
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Honestly, I was hoping for an Elder Scrolls MMO game.
I didn't imagine it to be announced so soon.
I didn't imagine it to be announced so soon.
Aye, I wonder if this image is big enough to demonstrate they're different companies.
Watch this video at 2:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7awkYKbKHik
Jake Tower
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Lemme guess. This will be Elder Scrolls 6-100?
I love the Elder Scrolls. I still play Morrowind on a regular basis, working on mods.
I have zero interest in this. And it's likely the end of the Elder Scrolls as a single player game franchise.
I love the Elder Scrolls. I still play Morrowind on a regular basis, working on mods.
I have zero interest in this. And it's likely the end of the Elder Scrolls as a single player game franchise.
maabus1999
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TOR is a great one month ride. Just after that it needs help. Time will tell (and it won't be a long time) to see what Bioware does about this since they realized this in their latest article / interview with the media.
I still think they need to expand beyond the WoW model and open up "space" in some free form way to really get going long term, but thats IMO.
Hot Coldman
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Oh yes, agreed. I just meant MMOs in general. We're not far off the point where someone can make a real push to become the new king. I don't think they'll achieve that through subs, yes, but we'll see what this game turns out to be.
They've gotta have some tricks up their sleeve. They can't just waltz in and demand subs- I guess if anyone could get away with it, it'd be a TES game, but it seems kinda foolish, and there's better ways to capitalise on Skyrim's success.
This takes place 1,000 years before Skyrim and is being developed by ZeniMax online, not Bethesda.
How are fundamental changes to the definition of "quest," "level," and the design of skills tremendously different? This stuff is only going to have more of an impact after it's out and people have spent time with it.
If they actually keep this like an Elder Scrolls game : Skill system, First person gameplay, open questing structure. Then color me very very interested. It could be great, but if this is just another third person WoW with a coat of ES paint, then they deserve to crash and burn horribly.
Both the "Heart" quests and DE's seem just to be quests without having to talk to a green exclamation point.
I meant, the first words that came to my mind were "Heart Quests". "Quests". I couldn't think of another word to aptly describe it.
Even the Personal Story Quests (again, what else do you call them?) feel more like normal "Quests", I think even the "Missions" in GW1 were more unique from what I've played (Up to lvl 15)
That said, stoked for the game. It's different, just not tremendously so...
dragonelite
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didn't ultima online had such a skill system as elder scroll games.
maabus1999
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Hybrid model is probably what they'll go with. Monthly for "premium" and everything else is F2P cash shop/etc...
In fact if they do use some sort of skill system, F2P could work well (want to make weapons? Buy the weaponsmith pack. Want to own property? Buy a deed.)
Actually that deed idea would work well to keep the "player owned" structures down to manageable levels....if they do that
Acidote
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Gryphon?
RebornYeti
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maabus1999
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Good thing that online games push out patches sooner then most offline games!
Yes but developed by the DAoC people. DAoC had the worst balance and overnerfing I ever experienced.
Lots of MMOs have classless/level-less systems. My personal favorite was Star Wars Galaxies.
...This isn't developed by them.
maabus1999
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First screen shot should be up at the GI website this afternoon, they are saying, followed up by the a game trailer tomorrow.
It may not be "Mythic Entertainment" but the OP says the game's director also did DAoC.
That would be terrible, especially if they kept combat anything similar to Skyrim. Of course it's a different developer though. What I'm expecting is more like generic MMO with Elder Scrolls lore.
But for Bethesda, what does this mean? A bugfix per month, with a plan to roll them out for as long as the MMO exists?
What does that have to do with PC?
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