Too bad we just recently got a 64 remake, else I would be asking for it :/, but yeah I agree with you 100%.
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Too bad we just recently got a 64 remake, else I would be asking for it :/, but yeah I agree with you 100%.
Fourth Storm
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Yep, same thing that supposed insider on beyond3d said a while back. It does seem fooling to stick the one studio capable of catering to the western mainstream audience w/ a damaged cartoonish IP.
Not sure about that because everything there is based on official art and ripped models I think. Maybe your talking about the lightning and everything? Ye thats was still early progress I think
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
A-hah, I was RIGHT! What do I get for a reward? Will I now be promoted to moderator?
GameplayWhore
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You mean what we do suspect. ;P
I know that he's beloved around here, but Matt was essentially just a gaming journalist. They "confirm" things all the time that aren't true. This sounds more like a rumour to me.
This is your most solid point, and I vaguely recall something like that, but I would like a link so that I can pour over the details.
The other points are perhaps valid but I wanted to point out that the "crowning achievement" thing was debunked about half an hour ago:
Moving on
That was kind of a rush job, wasn't it? I mean, it looked very pretty, but weren't people saying back then that it heavily borrowed from existing resources from prior Zelda games.
Thing is, Nintendo's internal studios have shown to be already capable of making a high-demand Legend of Zelda title. I don't think they need Retro to make it for them. They need Retro to make either (A) a property that Nintendo doesn't directly handle all the time, or (B) something new and fresh
, or (C) TimeSplitters
Discomurf
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http://wiimovies.ign.com/wii/audio/article/987/987284/nvcpree3_may27.mp3
jump to 36:30... suggests they were pretty in depth on it.
Fourth Storm
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Well, Nintendo know the fans have been asking for a Retro by Zelda and Miyamoto himself said it might be a good fit. After SS, I think it's best that full-blown console Zelda go into hibernation for at least 3 years. Give me a MM remake on 3DS and a 2D overhead Link to the Past 2.
Retro have definitely been working on one or more projects besides that theoretical future. Nintendo is changing slowly, though. I can see Retro at least lending a hand ala Monolith on SS. If they are given any sort of control over an aspect of the game I'd imagine it would be in area design.
Retro have definitely been working on one or more projects besides that theoretical future. Nintendo is changing slowly, though. I can see Retro at least lending a hand ala Monolith on SS. If they are given any sort of control over an aspect of the game I'd imagine it would be in area design.
I don't see Retro doing something that outdoes the Metroid Prime Trilogy. Prime 1 still remains on my favorite games of all time.
How they were able to create that sense of isolation and adventure with one huge overworld is beyond me. And they adapted it from an originally 2D game. It's nothing short of masterful.
Whatever they do, I can expect great, great things.
Naughty Dog is to Sony, as Retro is to Nintendo.
How they were able to create that sense of isolation and adventure with one huge overworld is beyond me. And they adapted it from an originally 2D game. It's nothing short of masterful.
Whatever they do, I can expect great, great things.
Naughty Dog is to Sony, as Retro is to Nintendo.
Star Fox 2 could have been the very best Star Fox game ever. If only it was polished and finished. Star Fox 64 was a step backwards in scope and ambition.
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I knew the "cartoony europeans capitals by night" would catch you after reading your wishes to play into a digital Paris decorum
Clearly, i would prefer what you describe rather than having two iterations of an IP. They need to take some risks and go in creativity-frenzy-mode, the NiN and future Wii U eShop is the perfect framework to lessen the resources to put on the table, and push them to do some daring titles.
To compare them to Pixar, it's like they are stuck with Toy Story & Cars, launch very good sequels with renewed content, but the frame, the environment, the characters, the scenery, are nearly always the same, so they miss the awesomeness that could result from the blending of AND this renewed content, AND newer and fresher background and storytelling like Up, Ratatouille, they are expressing themselves in the same surrounding, context, rather than magnifying, glamorizing, give it more value by putting it in a new, never-experienced and seen before world.
Yes, I did enjoy the original and 64, and I know what on rails means, thank you.
If the was some sort of 3d Land approach that could merge on-rails shooting with an all range mode then that sounds like the new best space shooter ever.
Sony has an interactive movie, Nintendo has a game
Haha that's one of the reasons the Uncharted series doesn't speak to me. But what I was saying is that I feel that those two studios can create great senses of immersion. Yeah the game plays itself at times, and you wouldn't find me playing it, but Uncharted is an experience.
bgassassin
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Supposedly. Though if we are getting clicky pads, I would definitely believe the triggers will be analog. It would just seem too weird to leave them as digital and adding clicky pads.
Well then you can answer my question.
Yeah following what essentially is the Wii's layout patent-wise does make me wonder.
Can I take this is a given?
Also, what do you make of the patent mentioning both internal main memory and external main memory? Is this just an example to throw us off?
I don't know about a given, but they seem to be taking the foundation of what Wii was and making it more powerful and modern. And the memory has always been kind of a head-scratcher for me. Looking at Wii, the IM is the 3MB buffers, VRAM is the 24MB 1T-SRAM, and the EM is the 64MB of GDDR3. One take I have is that if what the patent matches exactly with Wii U then the IM would be like the L2 cache in current GPUs, the VRAM is the 32MB of eDRAM, and the EM is the 2GB of system memory. This to me is the most logical when also factoring in that the original target specs referred to the eDRAM as "MEM1" and the system memory as "MEM2". But there are enough holes to keep me from saying that is 100% accurate.
Actually in between that. I don't know what they are, but I do know they are in the GPU. Li Mu Bai's and ShockingAlberto's post a few days after we discussed it the first time essentially confirmed it. But I do feel that these features would at least "double" the ability of the GPU could output. I say this more from an IQ standpoint as I don't know if we could properly put a FLOPs measurement on the change.
When we discussed my hypothesis of the L2 cache being eDRAM, that PR was the foundation for it.
TheCongressman1
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Exactly. This is the reason I don't want them to do an on rails game. They are experts at crafting worlds that are interesting to explore. I don't want the environments to just look nice, I want to be a part of them and to be able to explore them.
It's also the reason I want them to do Zelda.
Yes, I did enjoy the original and 64, and I know what on rails means, thank you.
Well, I mentioned "on rails" just because Star Fox is a series that strayed from it's past successes with the on-foot sections, adventure stuff, dinosaur crap, etc. But I don't think on-rails is all that limited though, maybe because I like the genre. Enemies and events are programmed to occur at certain spots and I don't have to worry about referring to maps or going off course, etc. It's more turn-off-your-brain and enjoy the ride, which has its place, I think.
But I think even the unreleased SNES Star Fox II had free-roaming, so it's not like it COULDN'T be a combination of both. Hell, on foot or even FPS mechanics in short bursts would work fine in conjunction too... Just we've seen that franchise try and fail when it got too ambitious. And I think a back-to-roots Star Fox game by Retro could be THE graphical showcase the Wii U needs, without it needing a huge budget.
I just basically wanted to point out that not every game HAS to be this huge extravagant thing. An 8 hour arcade twitch shooter that has great adrenaline rushes and leaves you wanting more can be a nice complement to other "meatier" games. Plus, a less complex game would free up parts of Retro for other projects too, most likely. Maybe like another poster suggested, a 3DS game like DKC made along with their Wii U title.
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The fans as in a collection of extremist that represent a small percent of the overall consumer base. I myself not being one of them. Business sense is to make Retro Studios develop something that the Japanese studios can not. Something lucrative and appealing. Something that Retro Studios has experience in. Oh. An FPS? FPS action-adventure with multiplayer! Now let's remove the limiting Metroid license, and start fresh with a new IP that is not limited in design structure or appeal. It worked for Bioshock. Perfect Dark. Halo. Call of Duty. Why not Nintendo.
A high production game in the HD era is quite taxing. If Retro Studios only developed one game at a time on the Wii generation, it sure is not likely that all of a sudden in the HD era they have multiple projects so soon.
It's easy to sum up things in a small box. But SONY also has Sony Santa Monica Studios which is on par with Naughty Dog. Guerilla Games and Evoljution Studios are also pretty high profile.
Graphics, mostly. And since when did Prime (or any Metroid) have one huge overworld?
gashikunFLCL
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The Wii U Speculation Thread V: The Final Frontier
Lol, final they say...
Lol, final they say...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll88Rd1vRpI
Holly shit, this is awsome, turn up your volume; it sends shivers down your spine, Next Zelda has to have voice acting.
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Holly shit, this is awsome, turn up your volume; it sends shivers down your spine, Next Zelda has to have voice acting.
Edit:
Thanks for reminding me
Discomurf
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RawmeatCowboy
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I'm always lurking here. I rarely ever post anything. I know GN isn't well liked by some here, so I keep to myself. I only ever comment to say thanks to someone or let someone know I appreciate their kind words.
So...thanks!
That's a great way to put it. And aside from doing one regular Mario installment and one Zelda installment, they can rotate their lower-tiered games into and out of circulation, thus freeing-up more studios for new attempts. How many safe, profitable established IP games are made versus new, unestablished game creations will be an issue of how much risk Nintendo wants to take. And they're a pretty conservative company.. so I think the best we can hope for is a small handful of these new games per generation.I knew the "cartoony europeans capitals by night" would catch you after reading your wishes to play into a digital Paris decorum
Clearly, i would prefer what you describe rather than having two iterations of an IP. They need to take some risks and go in creativity-frenzy-mode, the NiN and future Wii U eShop is the perfect framework to lessen the resources to put on the table, and push them to do some daring titles.
To compare them to Pixar, it's like they are stuck with Toy Story & Cars, launch very good sequels with renewed content, but the frame, the environment, the characters, the scenery, are nearly always the same, so they miss the awesomeness that could result from the blending of AND this renewed content, AND newer and fresher background and storytelling like Up, Ratatouille, they are expressing themselves in the same surrounding, context, rather than magnifying, glamorizing, give it more value by putting it in a new, never-experienced and seen before world.
This is why I don't see Retro doing a Star Fox game. Your right if it's not on-rails then it's not a Star Fox game that the fans really want, and I think Retro doing any type of on-rails game would be a waste when there are other devs that could handle it.
Shadowlink
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Don't click the link if you haven't finished Zelda Skyward Sword.
Escape Goat
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"Space...the final frontier. Until you get to the end and the monkey starts throwing barrels at you."
Ohhhh the beard guy !
Come on, i've only heard kind words about you and your site here !
Awesome to see you here - and your work is quite appreciated in our household!
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Portugeezer
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?
Holly shit, this is awsome, turn up your volume; it sends shivers down your spine, Next Zelda has to have voice acting.
Edit:
Thanks for reminding me
Holy shit.
GameplayWhore
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Maybe that's the mods' way of issuing a warning to us
gashikunFLCL
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So now we need to draw Patch over here?
Well, the Tallon Overworld was just the access to the different regions in Tallon IV. It's the place you spend the most of your time so I guess that's why I referred to it as "one huge overworld". I also found it to be the most interesting of all the areas. And dat music (the beginning version, and the serious version were great).
I wondered about that. We might end-up serving as a cautionary tale for future GAFfers.. yikes..
*nods*Ha, it's not that it's disliked; it's that people don't (or didn't at some point) know how to differentiate between when you post news and when you post a rumour, even when you're pretty explicit about it. So threads go down in flames in part because some posters are good at getting riled up and bad at reading past a subject line.
What's GN?
GameplayWhore
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Ha, it's not that it's disliked; it's that people don't (or didn't at some point) know how to differentiate between when you post news and when you post a rumour, even when you're pretty explicit about it. So threads go down in flames in part because some posters are good at getting riled up and bad at reading past a subject line.
Discomurf
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Jersey in da house
Fourth Storm
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I'm not sure of the size of their studio, but I was only thinking they may have a small handheld team in the pre-production phase prepping for full development after completion of their big original IP FPS on Wii U.
And I only express interest in what some of Retro's environmental artists can do with the Zelda series and maybe some of their talented programmers if they are going to expand the gameworld and want to limit load times. Grunt work basically. But useful grunt work. As Miyamoto referenced a Zelda collaboration in the context of their work on Mario Kart, I'd expect it to be on that level if Nintendo deem it at all necessary (which they may indeed not, as they've been expanding their own internal talent pools as you well know).
Well...that Nintendo site that goes is banned, here, after all, so I can't blame him for getting that impression (even though I personally really like RMC).
To throw my hat into the ring about Retro, I think they should be making StarTropics. It's like a Zelda game with a different world and without the expectations, so they can make something truly great. They're legitimately good at retro revivals. An FPS might be okay too, though, I guess, and might make more business sense. Maybe the Zelda team should take StarTropics on their off-cycle...
I Stalk Alone
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looking forward to Wii U Speculation Thread VI: The Undiscovered Country
I thought of the same thing but maybe we should do a combo sci fi theme
Wii U Speculation Thread VI: E.3. The Expo Threerestrial
Imagine an image of an ET reggie with his finger touching the subscreen with glowing finger and all. "Iwata is Reggie" is riding his bike in a silhouettete carrying E.3. (E.T.) while dragging the tuesdayton hypetrain behind him, below them are the e3 bear and e3woks dance under the ominous shine of the forest moon of majora
Shadowlink
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Hey RMC!
The place where you Go for Nintendo news.
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