Well it was a joke, but what you just said was it wouldn't be a power issue, more of a time and money issue, I'm on a phone at the moment so I tried to keep it brief.
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Well it was a joke, but what you just said was it wouldn't be a power issue, more of a time and money issue, I'm on a phone at the moment so I tried to keep it brief.
Shadow Hog
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But we just got a Pilotwings game!
bgassassin
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I wouldn't have been bothered by it as I do that quite often. When I see someone respond to a post that I miss and I see something in that post I want to respond to I go to that specific post.
Bluemercury
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Why?any new news?
Is anyone here really expecting Wii U games to look significantly better than any late 360/PS3 game? I'm expecting Wii U versions of ports to look similar to their counterparts.
Same.
And it's happening before E3 as well!Hey remember when I said I can't wait for the bitching to ensue when launch games don't look a lot better than this gen. Looks like it's already happening
I honestly expect 95 percent of Wii U games at E3 to look like 360 games and maybe 5 percent looking better than current consoles.
Not because the console can't handle it. But there will be a lot of laziness. I bet even some of Nintendo's games will be lazy when it comes to graphics and not take full potential of the Wii U hardware.
I hope Retro and a few others can come out with something amazing.
ViewtifulJC
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The first-party games better be lookers. You come out there with NSMBMii and up-res Wii port of Pikmin 3, Nintendo is gonna be looking really silly.
ShockingAlberto
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That was Nintendo's logic, too.
Well if those are launch games then it's understandable. If they show Retro's game and it's not a launch game and it's not a looker then I'd be worried. I don't see NSMB Wii looking any better.
UncleSporky
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It needs it now because since they announced it the other guys will surely have touchscreen controllers of their own. Even if it had some more horsepower it wouldn't match where the others will be in a year or two, with their own touchscreens.
Dreamwriter
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Why are people saying that early 360 games didn't look next-gen? At the time they looked amazing.
About Kameo, IGN said "There is an extremely high level of detail in the environments making the experience almost overwhelming in some areas. This is assuming that the game is being played on an HD screen with a 5.1 sound setup. The game still shines on a non-HD set but not nearly as bright because super hi-res texture and excellent particle effects are often lost in the blurriness." and "Other areas, like the massive battles on the Badlands, stand out because they are obviously only currently possible on 360. So if you take someone on a tour of the Enchanted Kingdom you'll likely hear praise for such eye-catching beauty" - they only complained that some levels were obviously touched up GameCube levelsas the game had spent years in development as a GameCube game.
With Perfect Dark Zero, Gamespot said "It's a gorgeous-looking game, especially if you play it on a high-definition display, and the beauty's more than skin deep. Most every weapon in the large arsenal of available pistols, submachine guns, assault rifles, and heavy weapons looks extremely authentic, right on down to their steely sheen and white-hot muzzle flashes. You've never seen a better-looking assortment of guns, and the near-future setting gave the designers license to include lots of familiar hardware, with some surprising special abilities. What's more, some excellent character animation helps make the guns feel as powerful as they look. Enemies recoil realistically depending on where they're hit, no matter if you hit them in the hand, the foot, square in the chest, in the back, or wherever else. And the vast levels are as varied as they are beautiful to behold, setting you loose in jungles, city streets, high-tech industrial compounds, and more. Bullet holes shred the scenery, armor pieces fly every which way under a hail of gunfire, blinding explosions rock the screen, and your enemies' bodies litter the corridors once you're through. Gorgeous lighting and an impressive motion-blur effect that kicks in whenever you make a sharp turn further enhance the quality of Perfect Dark Zero's visuals, resulting in a game that at times could easily be mistaken for a big-budget action movie."
With Project Gotham... you have a point. Reviews complained that while the cars were super detailed in ways not possible before, and while some details were amazing, the lighting was in general bland, some textures look flat, and the buildings looked like they were pulled from a previous generation.
Anyways, my point was, at the time for the most part people were amazed by XBox 360 graphics over its first year. We may not look highly on these graphics now, but back then we were awed.
About Kameo, IGN said "There is an extremely high level of detail in the environments making the experience almost overwhelming in some areas. This is assuming that the game is being played on an HD screen with a 5.1 sound setup. The game still shines on a non-HD set but not nearly as bright because super hi-res texture and excellent particle effects are often lost in the blurriness." and "Other areas, like the massive battles on the Badlands, stand out because they are obviously only currently possible on 360. So if you take someone on a tour of the Enchanted Kingdom you'll likely hear praise for such eye-catching beauty" - they only complained that some levels were obviously touched up GameCube levelsas the game had spent years in development as a GameCube game.
With Perfect Dark Zero, Gamespot said "It's a gorgeous-looking game, especially if you play it on a high-definition display, and the beauty's more than skin deep. Most every weapon in the large arsenal of available pistols, submachine guns, assault rifles, and heavy weapons looks extremely authentic, right on down to their steely sheen and white-hot muzzle flashes. You've never seen a better-looking assortment of guns, and the near-future setting gave the designers license to include lots of familiar hardware, with some surprising special abilities. What's more, some excellent character animation helps make the guns feel as powerful as they look. Enemies recoil realistically depending on where they're hit, no matter if you hit them in the hand, the foot, square in the chest, in the back, or wherever else. And the vast levels are as varied as they are beautiful to behold, setting you loose in jungles, city streets, high-tech industrial compounds, and more. Bullet holes shred the scenery, armor pieces fly every which way under a hail of gunfire, blinding explosions rock the screen, and your enemies' bodies litter the corridors once you're through. Gorgeous lighting and an impressive motion-blur effect that kicks in whenever you make a sharp turn further enhance the quality of Perfect Dark Zero's visuals, resulting in a game that at times could easily be mistaken for a big-budget action movie."
With Project Gotham... you have a point. Reviews complained that while the cars were super detailed in ways not possible before, and while some details were amazing, the lighting was in general bland, some textures look flat, and the buildings looked like they were pulled from a previous generation.
Anyways, my point was, at the time for the most part people were amazed by XBox 360 graphics over its first year. We may not look highly on these graphics now, but back then we were awed.
Sorry, searching for the post on my phone is a bit difficult, but I did mean to add to the discussion, anyways I think a Nunchuk+ would serve us better, it wouldn't split the consumer base
Yeah I've been thinking the same, most of what we will see at launch are ports anyway. The only exclusive we know about atm is Killer Freaks, and I doubt that is going to show us something better than UC3. The most ports will get is some improved textures and so on, but 99% of current games out there or coming in the near future do not look better than UC3 outside of a few major PC games. Unless Nintendo has some technical showpiece ready for launch, Pikmin maybe, although given that it started on the Wii who knows what the development has been like.
That said, I would expect to see some showpieces in trailer for at E3, 1st party or 3rd party exclusives. Much like how the 3DS had Resident Evil to show off its capabilities.
Keep in mind those games were system exclusives, 360 up ports looked like up ports of Xbox games. Currently we have basically no idea of first party games or what exclusives the WiiU is getting, which means we cannot assume anything impressive will be ready for launch.
Jesus you guys post WAY too much in here.
GamePlayWhore, any chance you could do one of your world-famous summaries from post 7350 onward?
Not to undermine GPW's work but there hasn't even really been anything that newsworthy this whole weekend. It's been mostly rehashed rumors from the previous week and seemingly endless banter about console power.
Refreshment.01
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Well, i think Nintendo will do the obvious. By obvious i mean render an overhead view of the map in the sub screen. So crowd control with touch becomes more easy.
That's BS man. If trying hard enough you can come with examples for that prove and disprove anything. Xbox 1 had Halo that looked miles better than anything else in its generation and the previous one. 360 had Project Gothan 3 that smoked any other racer at the time in terms of visuals.
If that implied i would get an improved Wii remote and Kinect hybrid by all means yes.
However, if the subscreen was multi touch capable my decision would be harder to make.
Several advantages, strongest one is costs of manufacturing
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Which is why expect the flow of "LOL 360 graphx that look like a 7-year old console" articles to be constant after E3.
What? I thought Donkey Kong Jungle Beat looked great for it's time.
DK Jungle Beat team later became part of the Mario Galaxy team.
The only team from EAD that cares about graphics is the Mario Galaxy team.
Oh yeah, Luigi's Mansion I'll agree on.
The lighting effects are what made it look so good.
I do hope I'm wrong though. I want EAD to show some amazing visuals in their games.
Yeah but you confused me because you mentioned the games and not the team itself. If you meant team, then yes I might have to agree with you.
Luigi's Mansion looks awesome.
UncleSporky
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The thing is, nobody will be able to definitively point at a WiiU game and say "look, that game is definitely better than anything the other consoles can do." There are always arguments and excuses.
"Oh sure, you can say Pikmin 3 looks slightly better than some 360 games (I personally don't see it) but it's obviously running in a lower poly environment so that it can hit 60 FPS."
"Oh sure, Assassin's Creed runs at 1080p on WiiU vs. 720p elsewhere, but you have to disable the pad to do it, which is the system's main selling point! And I'm sure PS3 could handle it at 1080p, the devs were just too lazy to do it and ported the same game between the systems they were used to working with."
etc., etc.
"Oh sure, you can say Pikmin 3 looks slightly better than some 360 games (I personally don't see it) but it's obviously running in a lower poly environment so that it can hit 60 FPS."
"Oh sure, Assassin's Creed runs at 1080p on WiiU vs. 720p elsewhere, but you have to disable the pad to do it, which is the system's main selling point! And I'm sure PS3 could handle it at 1080p, the devs were just too lazy to do it and ported the same game between the systems they were used to working with."
etc., etc.
bgassassin
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What Refreshment said. It would also be easier to cool and the speed between components would be faster.
To me the "Nunchuk+" would be a Nunchuk with all the functions of a Wiimote+. It would also be wireless and still retain an analog stick.
Vigil's been going back and forth regarding the WiiU version of Darksiders 2.
It's a psychological game of numbers.
If people are told over and over that Wii U isn't that much more powerful than 360/PS3, then no game screenshots will change their minds because they've been brainwashed by the media.
This is incredible... it's like you are me but from somewhere else.
The Wii U pad is a definite regression from the Wii Remote (and any refinements they could have made to that setup to make it more friendly to standard gamers).
As it stands now, thanks to the fact that most games will be relegated to dual-analog, and most games made nowadays are FPS/TPS, I'll be buying the superior version of most of them for my PC. The Wii Remote IR was the closest thing we had to the mouse pointer on a console. If they don't include on in the box, the dream is over for consoles. If they do include one, I don't imagine most devs (outside the ones that have perfected it over the last 6 years, like Nintendo/Retro, Treyarch, Hi Voltage, etc) will give a damn about it.
Well, as Iwata has mentioned, not every game needs impressive graphics though. I mean Animal Crossing or Wii Sports stuff certainly wouldn't be worth it. Their Mario team and Zelda obviously always look to push the system, but otherwise it seems to depend on a game to game basis.
I always envisioned Nintendo just making the next console super powerful with a much more improved Wii remote.
Pikmin 3 needs amazing graphics more than most Wii U games. The list of ways graphics would make that game look amazing are through the roof. The environment with the dirt, mud, water, rain, leaves, grass needs amazing graphics.
Pikmin 3 needs amazing graphics more than most Wii U games. The list of ways graphics would make that game look amazing are through the roof. The environment with the dirt, mud, water, rain, leaves, grass needs amazing graphics.
tkscz
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I didn't say didn't look better, I just don't see a full generation ahead. The reason I always compare Kameo with Conker is that I have played both and I don't see that big a difference. Sure, Kameo has extra detail, but not enough to say it's 10x better looking. Now, if you compare them to Banjo nuts and bolts, then you have something.
bgassassin
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And Ninja Gaiden 3, though reviews might make that irrelevant thanks to poor gameplay.
ShockingAlberto
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Hmm, really? I'd argue DKCR and Xenoblade are technically uglier than I think Pikmin was by the standards of the system by that point.
Shadow Hog
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Hey, now, it's only been 10 days since the topic opened, and 185 full pages with page 186 almost completed. If anything, we're not posting enough.
Rush2thestart
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Why cite Xbox 360 first party games? Of course they looked better than the gen before it. Theyre first party.
Its the 3rd party games that were for the most part ports in the first year. Aside from Dead Rising, those games were a poor indication of the hardwares capabilities.
The same will happen with Wii U. Except I expect the Wii U's graphics to be downplayed even more so, because theyre Nintendo.
Its the 3rd party games that were for the most part ports in the first year. Aside from Dead Rising, those games were a poor indication of the hardwares capabilities.
The same will happen with Wii U. Except I expect the Wii U's graphics to be downplayed even more so, because theyre Nintendo.
Xenoblade I can agree with, but I still think DKCR is great looking. I don't even like DKCR and I still think it looks fairly impressive, but that's just me.
As far as Xenoblade goes, I saw a lot of potential in graphics that were limited/hurt by the Wii hardware. Give Monolithsoft real hardware (Wii U) and I think they'll blow a lot of people away.
Donkey Kong Country Returns had some beautiful levels, but a lot of ugly levels too. I wasn't happy with the art style either. I actually thought the art style in the Rare DK games had more personality to it.
Grok4Spock
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Not just an F, but also a Zero...
I want the controller, weirdly enough. I want to be able to use the uPad for non-TV activities, to play VC titles while sitting on the porch, etc. I also want to see what Nintendo does with it, while fully expecting that a creative third-party use for the pad will be a few-times-per-generation affair.
The deal is, I suspect that even if the U were to instead devote that power and resurce allocation to hardware such that it's "on par" with the other two new consoles, there will be some standard group of excuses for why third-party titles aren't making it over to the console. They don't sell well. Nintendo fans don't buy 'em. They can't compete. Their online network sucks. I'm expecting a bit better than GameCube 2.0 on sales, somewhere between 30 & 50 million sold - so my expectations while making this choice are indeed tempered.
And I'm perfectly fine with a souped-up 360 for graphics. Anything above that level, I consider gravy. I've seen the hastily-assembled Bird and Zelda demos, and I can happily live with that level of shiny.
This is a good point. 1st party studios are usually closer to the hardware. Not only that but I could imagine the likes of microsoft and Sony pushing their first party studios to make the best looking games.
I really hope this happens. Seriously. It would make the 3DS virtual console service seem so pointless in comparison.
Power Stranger
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What do you guys think of the possibility of an upgraded nunchuk, with motionplus capabilities built in?
ShockingAlberto
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My point is more that I don't think the comparison for graphics there is accurate. How that game looks isn't going to come down to how much a team values graphics.
-Pyromaniac-
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I'm the opposite of EatChildren. I dislike the Wii remote, so the prospect of having a regular controller in addition to a screen (where I also don't care for gimmicks like streaming and all that and whatever other random stuff they whip out) kind of excites me, but only if they use the screen in ways that simply improve my experience. For instance removing HUD stuff I don't need and putting it on there for a cleaner visual on my TV, or putting stuff there that would save me time rather than sifting through menus on the tv, and so on.
I'm just glad they're going back to regular controller, I view the fact that it has a screen as bonus that I can see helping or see being gimmicky, either way.
But I see why it can hurt some remote fans.
I'm just glad they're going back to regular controller, I view the fact that it has a screen as bonus that I can see helping or see being gimmicky, either way.
But I see why it can hurt some remote fans.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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The system isn't interesting without the controller.
Now if it was Wii all over again in power, I might want them to ditch it in favor of better technical prowess but it's going to be Nintendo's most powerful system by a lot and in HD.
Give me that wacky ass controller.
Now if it was Wii all over again in power, I might want them to ditch it in favor of better technical prowess but it's going to be Nintendo's most powerful system by a lot and in HD.
Give me that wacky ass controller.
And you implied that it's unlikely, but not impossible.
In other words, this proves that it's slightly better than PS3 at minimum.
I still don't understand people's obsession with multitouch. The only implication I can think of where it would make sense is on-screen buttons (yeah we don't have enough of those!) or pinch-to-zoom.
None. Wii Remote+Nunchuck have been relegated to second class citizens now.
You guys have burned through nearly half the thread in just over a week. No, there is way too much crap in here. lol
Why? Honest question. If we kept the same control setup from previous generations (hell, Sony's been stuck with pretty much the same one for 3 generations) gaming would be boring. Could you imagine playing Gears of War with an NES pad? Shit needs to evolve. Wanna know why I'm not planning on buying Mario Tennis for the 3DS and certainly wouldn't buy Mario Golf? Because I played Wii Sports in 2006.
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