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Final Fantasy real time tech demo - Luminous Studio [Up3: Survey/Screens/Video]

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BruceLeeRoy

Banned
Square seems to be better at building engines than actually finishing games on them these days.

How many games are utilizing their White Engine now? 2?
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
BruceLeeRoy said:
Square seems to be better at building engines than actually finishing games on them these days.

How many games are utilizing their White Engine now? 2?
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To my understanding, their last engine wasn't so much what you would think of as an engine as it was a set of tools and a bit of shared code, which is part of why it worked quite poorly in terms of developing games.

So, FFXIII/FFXIII-2 used the same engine, but FFXIV and FF Versus XIII were on heavily, heavily modified engines that were kind of almost like different engines that were game specific.
 
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laika09

Member
BruceLeeRoy said:
Square seems to be better at building engines than actually finishing games on them these days.

How many games are utilizing their White Engine now? 2?
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XIII, XIII-2, and soon-to-be-no-longer XIV.

Versus is supposedly built with Crystal Tools, but uses Luminous for lighting. Or something else mistranslated from Japanese magazines.
 
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-Pyromaniac-

Member
I remember Duckroll explaining why square sucked this generation. It was something about never having a real engine, something like what nirolak said.

So Luminous should solve a shitton of problems. now the only problems are in certain people.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
laika09 said:
XIII, XIII-2, and soon-to-be-no-longer XIV.

Versus is supposedly built with Crystal Tools, but uses Luminous for lighting. Or something else mistranslated from Japanese magazines.
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It's using Luminous' lighting module, since unlike Crystal, Luminous is modular and parts can be changed and shared between titles without rebuilding everything.
 
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BlazingDarkness

Member
BruceLeeRoy said:
Square seems to be better at building engines than actually finishing games on them these days.

How many games are utilizing their White Engine now? 2?
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The article seems to suggest they've set up a team to develop the engine specifically so hopefully this means they'll be much faster with actual game development this coming generation
They spent half of this gen fucking around with Crystal Tools
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
-Pyromaniac- said:
I remember Duckroll explaining why square sucked this generation. It was something about never having a real engine, something like what nirolak said.

So Luminous should solve a shitton of problems. now the only problems are in certain people.
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I'm not promising it will solve all their problems however since some of it was development process as well, but they're slowly working on that at the same time.

Hopefully they will have gotten that hashed out now that Luminous seems useable enough to start making a game on it.
 
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BruceLeeRoy

Banned
Nirolak said:
To my understanding, their last engine wasn't so much what you would think of as an engine as it was a set of tools and a bit of shared code, which is part of why it worked quite poorly in terms of developing games.

So, FFXIII/FFXIII-2 used the same engine, but FFXIV and FF Versus XIII were on heavily, heavily modified engines that were kind of almost like different engines that were game specific.
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Really? I could have sworn the whole purpose of them developing a complete engine was to allow for faster development time(bahahaha) among multi platforms.
 
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Khrno

Member
Even if this is just a tech demo, with it and the current offerings (FFXIII/-2/Versus), they seem to be targeting more towards realism than towards fantasy. I'm not saying it's bad, I just hope that whatever they do, they don't focus the next FF games only in that direction.

FFX|V art direction is a good example for an alternate style.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
BruceLeeRoy said:
Really? I could have sworn the whole purpose of them developing a complete engine was to allow for faster development time(bahahaha) among multi platforms.
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Yes, but they did it the wrong way because they didn't really understand what it was.

Here they went and hired people who did understand instead and had them make the engine.
 
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iavi

Member
If this is just a 'real-time' CG movie, a la FF7 tech demo or Samaritan, count me the fuck out. They'll show this and deliver when it's much less impressive. And they say a lot to being different now, but always have said a lot, and this type of promotion coming from squeenix just isn't impressive anymore.

If this is a controllable slice a la Star Wars 1313, I'm excited as hell.
 
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Cartman86

Banned
For comparison sake. Here is what Square has shown in the past to demonstrate possible future hardware with comparisons of what they based them on. Admittedly though these were mostly shown at specific new hardware showings.

N64 - Final Fantasy VI Tech Demo
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PS2 - Final Fantasy VIII Tech Demo
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PS3 - Final Fantasy VII Tech Demo
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Other than FFVII's cloth physics (and maybe other stuff in that video) they are pretty close.
 
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Dark Schala

Eloquent Princess
Khrno said:
Even if this is just a tech demo, with it and the current offerings (FFXIII/-2/Versus), they seem to be targeting more towards realism than towards fantasy. I'm not saying it's bad, I just hope that whatever they do, they don't focus the next FF games only in that direction.

FFX|V art direction is a good example for an alternate style.
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Yep, I'm with you--really loved FFX's style.

A tech demo isn't necessarily indicative of how the next FF will be like in terms of thematic or narrative details, though. I can see them doing some really neat stuff with the engine. It's just up to the art direction to demonstrate the themes and overall world, I guess.
 
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-Pyromaniac-

Member
Nirolak said:
I'm not promising it will solve all their problems however since some of it was development process as well, but they're slowly working on that at the same time.

Hopefully they will have gotten that hashed out now that Luminous seems useable enough to start making a game on it.
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well yeah, hopefully they've been using all this time to get their shit together planning/execution wise.

Square needs structure. Achievable goals/timelines to follow. This gen has been so all over the place for them. They made no breaks for themselves.
 
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Mxrz

Member
With Square, I've learned not to get excited or overly interested until I have an actual game in hand.
 
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BruceLeeRoy

Banned
Cartman86 said:
For comparison sake. Here is what Square has shown in the past to demonstrate possible future hardware with comparisons of what they based them on. Admittedly though these were mostly shown at specific new hardware showings.

N64 - Final Fantasy VI Tech Demo
zDKK8.png
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OMG! That EGM article. That just brought back so many memory's!

Nirolak said:
Yes, but they did it the wrong way because they didn't really understand what it was.

Here they went and hired people who did understand instead and had them make the engine.
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Ahh I see. Interesting. Square was really not ready for this gen.
 
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Despera

Banned
Shut up guys I'm still in the process of downloading the 1080p version of the vid...

hurry the fuck up u piece o shit internet!!
 
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Acosta

Member
Niceeeeeeeeeeeeee. This E3 is getting better.

They need to tone dawn the shaky cam though.

2013 can't come soon enough.
 
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Goli

Member
Finished watching. Okay, this has to be made into a game. It has to.
By the way, SE recently set up a blog for the Digital (degital?) Game Lab thingy, which you see credited at the end of the demo, http://blog.jp.square-enix.com/dgl/ Perhaps information of importance will be posted there in the near future.
 
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Levyne

Banned
whoa....

Should I have been surprised at in being english? Some very interesting ideas to expand on too if they decide to do that
 
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iavi

Member
Weirdly enough, that wasn't as impressive as the shots led me to believe it'd be, and actually seems damn achievable. The character models and final pan out were nuts, though.
 
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