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[I Stalk Alone]

And here's the PS3 version for comparison:

Just a reality check. People keep bringing up Trine 2, but in reality it looks identical to the PS3 version, the saving grace is it's in 1080p instead of 720p.

Monty thats twice the pixels. also trine 2 on runs at 60fps so thats four times the pixels which could be up to four times more gpu power needed. But yes even if wii was 4x more it wouldnt look any different effects wise from ps3 if you bmuped the resolution and framerate. Adding a second and third player on the DRC's while having one player on the main screen will also drain the power. You could have something 5x more powerful than ps3 or xbox 360 and depending what you do with resolution and framerate you might not be able to add much more effects.

also that thumbnail is not a very good comparison and rob hubbard is awesome.

 

[Raide]

You keep mentioning the bird demo in all these discussions. I don't care. It's not a game, and is seemingly absent from this year, leaving the floor of games open to current gen looking games, some with technical issues that make them look worse.

Can the Wii U produce games that look better than current gen? If yes, show them.

That's all I want.

A year+ out from a launch, show all those tech demo's. When you're 6 months out (if Winter launch) they should be showing solid games that show off tech. Some ports of older games just ain't cutting it for me.

 

[MrCunningham]

*looks at specs*

Welcome to 2005. Keeping up with the fine tradition of being a generation behind everyone else (at least), I see.

Given the GPU and rumoured IBM processor, I would say it is more like: "Welcome to 2008/ 2009-ish".

 

[neoanarch]

panorama view's graphics were amaaaaaaaazing

What the hell is Personal Panorama. Isn't that just the 360 video viewer from last year?

 

[I Stalk Alone]

I'd be happy if it matched the leaked specs but it doesn't seem to.

The leaked specs doesn't even say much about the power of the gpu or cpu or how much ram there is. We still really cannot tell and are still basically speculating today which is what I thought would continue to happen until well after the launch of the system.

 

[Instro]

Given the GPU and rumoured IBM processor, I would say it is more like: "Welcome to 2008/ 2009-ish".

Why 2008/09?

 

[EatChildren]

A year+ out from a launch, show all those tech demo's. When you're 6 months out (if Winter launch) they should be showing solid games that show off tech. Some ports of older games just ain't cutting it for me.

Pretty much. Or, at the very least, show more real time tech vids of Nintendo IPs rendered on the new hardware. They did it last year with Zelda. They did it with the 3DS. They did nothing this year.

Mario looks like Mario. Looks fine, but nothing to set it apart from this generation. Pikmin 3 looks great, but its Wii origins are obvious. Everything else looked distinctly current generation.

Nintendo literally had nothing that said their box, to be released in less than six months, has processing technology better than hardware released nearly seven years ago. Last year's tech demos are meaningless, as is the truth behind the hardware, when today is what people will see and remember.

I'm so unbelievably bitter about what a tremendous fuckup this E3 conference was.

 

[EDarkness]

I'm not sure where to put this, but I figure this is as good a place as any.

For people who are getting up in arms about 3rd party games and graphics, I had a chance to chat with a couple of the devs on Assassin's Creed 3. I specifically asked them about improving the visual aspect of the game, and they told me that it just wasn't in the cards. They weren't going to take advantage of the extra power of the Wii U. Something about complications in doing so with the game running strange (I guess UI bugs and such). One of them said that they could do it, but weren't going to since it wasn't necessary. However, the guys working on ZombiU said they weren't constrained by multiplatform development, so they were going to add in new effects and such. He also told me that we should check out what they have at Gamescom as it should be fairly impressive with the lighting. My guess is it's a new build.

Either way, no one should be basing the Wii U's graphic capability on these ports. The devs I spoke to at the show didn't seem all that interested in improving Wii U games graphically.

 

[Instro]

What the hell is Personal Panorama. Isn't that just the 360 video viewer from last year?

A fleshed out version of the WiiU Tokyo panorama demo from last E3.

I'm not sure where to put this, but I figure this is as good a place as any.

For people who are getting up in arms about 3rd party games and graphics, I had a chance to chat with a couple of the devs on Assassin's Creed 3. I specifically asked them about improving the visual aspect of the game, and they told me that it just wasn't in the cards. They weren't going to take advantage of the extra power of the Wii U. Something about complications in doing so with the game running strange (I guess UI bugs and such). One of them said that they could do it, but weren't going to since it wasn't necessary. However, the guys working on ZombiU said they weren't constrained by multiplatform development, so they were going to add in new effects and such. He also told me that we should check out what they have at Gamescom as it should be fairly impressive with the lighting. My guess is it's a new build.

Either way, no one should be basing the Wii U's graphic capability on these ports. The devs I spoke to at the show didn't seem all that interested in improving Wii U games graphically.

Everything about the development of Zombi U sounds like a mess, and now they have a bunch of people from different studios assisting on it. It wouldn't surprise me if it improves visually over the next few months.

 

[z0m3le]

You keep mentioning the bird demo in all these discussions. I don't care. It's not a game, and is seemingly absent from this year, leaving the floor of games open to current gen looking games, some with technical issues that make them look worse.

Can the Wii U produce games that look better than current gen? If yes, show them.

That's all I want.

You said "If the Wii U can produce better visuals" they showed that the box can, from the games they showed, I wouldn't expect anything to take advantage of the power from the system. Do I want them to show Retro's project? Monolith's project? Next 3D Mario? or the next Zelda? yes of course I do, but they didn't.

that isn't going to make me forget the reality of what they have shown the box to be capable of doing, even when the box was handicapped, I think it's plan as day that if AC3 can match PS360, and the Wii U has better gpu features + more ram and better lighting. That it is obvious that the system will be more powerful.

I can understand you are mad or jaded or whatever, but seriously my only hope for a launch window game to really blow me away was those 4 games I mentioned, at least for now we are getting a new console from Nintendo, at the VERY least, you can be happy about that.

 

[Bluemercury]

Pretty much. Or, at the very least, show more real time tech vids of Nintendo IPs rendered on the new hardware. They did it last year with Zelda. They did it with the 3DS. They did nothing this year.

Mario looks like Mario. Looks fine, but nothing to set it apart from this generation. Pikmin 3 looks great, but its Wii origins are obvious. Everything else looked distinctly current generation.

Nintendo literally had nothing that said their box, to be released in less than six months, has processing technology better than hardware released nearly seven years ago. Last year's tech demos are meaningless, as is the truth behind the hardware, when today is what people will see and remember.

I'm so unbelievably bitter about what a tremendous fuckup this E3 conference was.

God what happened to NOA too ?, i remember at the n64 generation there were all kinds of western exclusives, mainly NOA doing, and it was the freaking n64. NOA aos of now doesnt exist at all....unbelievable....

 

[beril]

A year+ out from a launch, show all those tech demo's. When you're 6 months out (if Winter launch) they should be showing solid games that show off tech. Some ports of older games just ain't cutting it for me.

Nintendo said they were only showing launch window games for now. Which is probably a big mistake. No one cares about the crappy rushed/lazy port launch titles; people need something to look forward to to get excited about a new console.

 

[madmackem]

*looks at specs*

Welcome to 2005. Keeping up with the fine tradition of being a generation behind everyone else (at least), I see.

how do you know that when we know nothing of the other twos machines. It has three times the ram than current machines if the specs are right.

 

[MYE]

That van Gogh argument needs to die. Nintendo have sensible forum users to collect feedback from what you, I and Orioto post in here.

How didn't they come with van Gogh like graphics before when it wasn't the basis of Orioto's work, which is being enjoyed by the most comprehensible video games forum in the world ?

What Orioto art? That shit was straight up Van Gogh, man.
Wait are you emplying that they stole Orioto's work?
lol

Go to deviantart. Van Gogh's paintings are the basis of millions of good and shitty artists.

 

[Raide]

Pretty much. Or, at the very least, show more real time tech vids of Nintendo IPs rendered on the new hardware. They did it last year with Zelda. They did it with the 3DS. They did nothing this year.

Mario looks like Mario. Looks fine, but nothing to set it apart from this generation. Pikmin 3 looks great, but its Wii origins are obvious. Everything else looked distinctly current generation.

Nintendo literally had nothing that said their box, to be released in less than six months, has processing technology better than hardware released nearly seven years ago. Last year's tech demos are meaningless, as is the truth behind the hardware, when today is what people will see and remember.

I'm so unbelievably bitter about what a tremendous fuckup this E3 conference was.

I know how you feel and this confused me even more. Are you telling me Nintendo could not get a vertical slice of a realtime Zelda demo to wow people? That would have single-handedly won E3 for them.

Anyone else a little worried that Nintendo is rushing this and still does not have anything solid to show off? If they are courting 3rd party people, did they not throw cash at someone to make a demo to show off, instead of more Wii-U-Tech stuff?

Nintendo said they were only showing launch window games for now. Which is probably a big mistake. No one cares about the crappy rushed/lazy port launch titles; people need something to look forward to to get excited about a new console.

They have to do both. People buy it for launch stuff but also for what is coming down the line. Of course you could just say "Zelda, Mario and all Nintendo stuff is coming!" but I would rather see something solid, even if it is a year out.

Unless they bust something out over the next month or so, I will be waiting till next E3 to see what they do and how MS/Sony react.

 

[LCGeek]

Pretty much. Or, at the very least, show more real time tech vids of Nintendo IPs rendered on the new hardware. They did it last year with Zelda. They did it with the 3DS. They did nothing this year.

Mario looks like Mario. Looks fine, but nothing to set it apart from this generation. Pikmin 3 looks great, but its Wii origins are obvious. Everything else looked distinctly current generation.

Nintendo literally had nothing that said their box, to be released in less than six months, has processing technology better than hardware released nearly seven years ago. Last year's tech demos are meaningless, as is the truth behind the hardware, when today is what people will see and remember.

I'm so unbelievably bitter about what a tremendous fuckup this E3 conference was.

Be bitter you set yourself up. Logistically what your asking isn't going to happen and can't because it's highly impractical. Not talking about nintendo not doing demos but expecting a system with the similar power range of what we have now, that is new to devs, and somehow now is going beat out 7 years of experience with working with similar hardware.

We had all the evidence on this subject and people are still expecting some nintendo to pull a miracle, swear some of you are masochists with this company and seek only that.

 

[Bluemercury]

I know how you feel and this confused me even more. Are you telling me Nintendo could not get a vertical slice of a realtime Zelda demo to wow people? That would have single-handedly won E3 for them.

Anyone else a little worried that Nintendo is rushing this and still does not have anything solid to show off? If they are courting 3rd party people, did they not throw cash at someone to make a demo to show off, instead of more Wii-U-Tech stuff?



They have to do both. People buy it for launch stuff but also for what is coming down the line. Of course you could just say "Zelda, Mario and all Nintendo stuff is coming!" but I would rather see something solid, even if it is a year out.

Unless they bust something out over the next month or so, I will be waiting till next E3 to see what they do and how MS/Sony react.

Either Third-parties dont like money or Nintendo isnt giving them any, take a guess?

 

[Sephiroth503]

You keep mentioning the bird demo in all these discussions. I don't care. It's not a game, and is seemingly absent from this year, leaving the floor of games open to current gen looking games, some with technical issues that make them look worse.

Can the Wii U produce games that look better than current gen? If yes, show them.

That's all I want.

I think EatChildren is on the money.

If Nintendo had games that were better looking (in this case the bird demo) then why not show something more substantial.

The very fact Nintendo are keeping the specs so close to their chest tells you that it mightn't be as good as people hope, if it was out and out better than PS3/360 they would tell and show us straight out.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Be bitter you set yourself up. Logistically what your asking isn't going to happen and can't because it's highly impractical. Not talking about nintendo not doing demos but expecting a system with the similar power range of what we have now, that is new to devs, and somehow now is going beat out 7 years of experience with working with similar hardware.

We had all the evidence on this subject and people are still expecting some nintendo to pull a miracle, swear some of you are masochists with this company and seek only that.

The Wii U is similar enough, though with more RAM to the current gen that damn, everything should look like current gen but with vastly better textures at the very least.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

I'm not sure where to put this, but I figure this is as good a place as any.

For people who are getting up in arms about 3rd party games and graphics, I had a chance to chat with a couple of the devs on Assassin's Creed 3. I specifically asked them about improving the visual aspect of the game, and they told me that it just wasn't in the cards. They weren't going to take advantage of the extra power of the Wii U. Something about complications in doing so with the game running strange (I guess UI bugs and such). One of them said that they could do it, but weren't going to since it wasn't necessary. However, the guys working on ZombiU said they weren't constrained by multiplatform development, so they were going to add in new effects and such. He also told me that we should check out what they have at Gamescom as it should be fairly impressive with the lighting. My guess is it's a new build.

Either way, no one should be basing the Wii U's graphic capability on these ports. The devs I spoke to at the show didn't seem all that interested in improving Wii U games graphically.

People want to bash the WiiU because the ports arent graphically better..bash the developers fools. Excluding Eat Children because he gis experiencing withdrawls and needs some tlc.

 

[z0m3le]

I'm not sure where to put this, but I figure this is as good a place as any.

For people who are getting up in arms about 3rd party games and graphics, I had a chance to chat with a couple of the devs on Assassin's Creed 3. I specifically asked them about improving the visual aspect of the game, and they told me that it just wasn't in the cards. They weren't going to take advantage of the extra power of the Wii U. Something about complications in doing so with the game running strange (I guess UI bugs and such). One of them said that they could do it, but weren't going to since it wasn't necessary. However, the guys working on ZombiU said they weren't constrained by multiplatform development, so they were going to add in new effects and such. He also told me that we should check out what they have at Gamescom as it should be fairly impressive with the lighting. My guess is it's a new build.

Either way, no one should be basing the Wii U's graphic capability on these ports. The devs I spoke to at the show didn't seem all that interested in improving Wii U games graphically.

Very good news, Zombie U is my most anticipated game for Wii U, and I wasn't really looking forward to killer freaks, although I do have to say that they are probably thinking about that asymmetric gameplay they showed off last year. Some people right now would feel a lot better about Wii U if last years tech demos weren't shown last year and instead made it to this year's E3.

 

[Instro]

Either Third-parties dont like money or Nintendo isnt giving them any, take a guess?

Well allegedly Nintendo paid Ubisoft for the AC port...

 

[LCGeek]

I think EatChildren is on the money.

If Nintendo had games that were better looking (in this case the bird demo) then why not show something more substantial.

The very fact Nintendo are keeping the specs so close to their chest tells you that it mightn't be as good as people hope, if it was out and out better than PS3/360 they would tell and show us straight out.

Except some of us weren't hoping for anything considering some of the rumors which are accurate as fuck to a T about the gpu. Those who kept up and knew about the gpu alone knew what the system was going to do eventually. Also nintendo explained the specs debate last generation and considering what has happened the last 3 generations with useless talks like this they were right to do so.

 

[Kanguro]

I'm not sure where to put this, but I figure this is as good a place as any.

For people who are getting up in arms about 3rd party games and graphics, I had a chance to chat with a couple of the devs on Assassin's Creed 3. I specifically asked them about improving the visual aspect of the game, and they told me that it just wasn't in the cards. They weren't going to take advantage of the extra power of the Wii U. Something about complications in doing so with the game running strange (I guess UI bugs and such). One of them said that they could do it, but weren't going to since it wasn't necessary. However, the guys working on ZombiU said they weren't constrained by multiplatform development, so they were going to add in new effects and such. He also told me that we should check out what they have at Gamescom as it should be fairly impressive with the lighting. My guess is it's a new build.

Either way, no one should be basing the Wii U's graphic capability on these ports. The devs I spoke to at the show didn't seem all that interested in improving Wii U games graphically.

Well then it's the Wii all over again isn't it? 3rd parties can't be bothered to use the extra power on last gen ports and more or less ditch it when next gen is under way. First party doesn't care to do anything interesting graphics wise because... well they just don't. We end up with a console that's more powerful than last gen's efforts but no games to demonstrate it. Just like the Wii.

 

[EDarkness]

Everything about the development of Zombi U sounds like a mess, and now they have a bunch of people from different studios assisting on it. It wouldn't surprise me if it improves visually over the next few months.

Not surprising. They originally started out trying to mke a comedy game, and then Nintendo asked them to change it so they could make a "core" gamee. I can't remember the word he used to describe the situation. Either way, from what I was told a lot of the crew liked Killer Freaks and wanted that to continue. Apparently they are still trying to nail down a lot of the details, so the game is rough around the edges. I can imagine they'll be able to get the game looking nicer before it launches.

 

[EatChildren]

Be bitter you set yourself up. Logistically what your asking isn't going to happen and can't because it's highly impractical. Not talking about nintendo not doing demos but expecting a system with the similar power range of what we have now, that is new to devs, and somehow now is going beat out 7 years of experience with working with similar hardware.

We had all the evidence on this subject and people are still expecting some nintendo to pull a miracle, swear some of you are masochists with this company and seek only that.

This isn't a good enough excuse when the show floor includes current gen games with technical issues that make them look and perform worse than their 360/PS3 counterparts. And Nintendo's own offerings do nothing to set a high standard.

Nintendo could do it, but they didn't. Again I point to the tech demo of Zelda last year. A stupid tech demo that wow'd people, because heyo, it's Zelda on non-shitty hardware. Even if that hardware is 360/PS3 level, it still impresses because it looks damn good.

What Nintendo want to do with their hardware is up to them. But their E3 showing was shitty from a visual standpoint, back by equally shitty third party offerings. It sends a bad message, and in the grand scheme of things is very poor form for a new console reveal.

Even the Wii had a better looking pre-launch E3 than this.

 

[monome]

Okay...

Show was terrible but :

I like the white version and it will be the one available at launch, check.
Assassin's Creed 3 should launch alongside and inventory/map on second screen will be great, check.
PlatinumGames X Nintendo happened, with Kamiya Director, check (will buy it to get Nintendo publish his next action game...)
Nintendo Land seems an okparty game, check.
That should get me going until Mario U comes out, check.

All in all I should be good until next E3.

If next E3, Nintendo fucks things up, I'll sell WiiU until Retro/Zelda/Kamiya game comes out. (I sold my Vita after my hands got hurt playing Uncharted and I got bored with the motion/touch stupidities and from the E3 line-up I will not rebuy it, ever, not even for the possible Reveangence port).

Was about to rage-sell my 3DS this morning, especially knowing new one is coming. If I could have confirmation there is a white 3DSXL at launch, my mario tennis sessions would take a break.

Good luck Nintendo!
Here is to my shattered dreams of :

1/ renaming
2/ redesign (NES/SNES)
3/ new IPs
4/ some graphical prowess
5/ teases of greatness to come
6/ 3rd party support (no Capcom? come on...and ZombiU looks like the kind of FPS I will not even bother to try)

I need a hug.

 

[z0m3le]

I think EatChildren is on the money.

If Nintendo had games that were better looking (in this case the bird demo) then why not show something more substantial.

The very fact Nintendo are keeping the specs so close to their chest tells you that it mightn't be as good as people hope, if it was out and out better than PS3/360 they would tell and show us straight out.

No, because that selling point could have had a huge back fire if Sony and Microsoft showed off their next gen consoles this year. The fact is, all of those games are ports and the bird demo still exists, even if it's a year old, in fact it being a year old on old dev kits means that same demo could look much better today. Being mad about the conference is one thing, but extending those feelings towards the power of the system, while ignoring evidence to the contrary is another. (No offense to anyone doing so. I am sorely disappointed that none of my 4 games showed, when I expected at least 1 to be there)

 

[MrCunningham]

Why 2008/09?

The GPU is based on the R700 line, is it not? That was released in 2008. The Xbox's GPU was based on the R500 line, which was a 2005 era GPU.

I can't find any information on Wii U CPU (but I doubt many people can). But it appears to have some similarities to IBM's Power 7 CPU's, which also has 32MBs of embedded RAM. And that is a CPU that was released in 2010.

Oh well, in any case, the Wii U is not a 2005 era console. Most of the hardware in this thing wouldn't have probably existed in 2005.

 

[Erasus]

Could they not just have shown a ppt slide with the full specs. Dont even talk about them, just have reggie say "oh and for you hardcore people out there, here is what is in the box!"

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

And when Nintendo does show of the games we want, what happens?

Spoiler

yep that sounds like a gaf thread.

 

[shinra-bansho]

considering what has happened the last 3 generations with useless talks like this they were right to do so.

As correlation is equivalent to causation.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't care about the specs as long as it's cheap. The rumored $300 is even a little higher than I'm willing to pay.

 

[Sandfox]

Could they not just have shown a ppt slide with the full specs. Dont even talk about them, just have reggie say "oh and for you hardcore people out there, here is what is in the box!"

Either way people would just end up complaining.

 

[EatChildren]

Could they not just have shown a ppt slide with the full specs. Dont even talk about them, just have reggie say "oh and for you hardcore people out there, here is what is in the box!"

Specs on paper are misleading as they don't paint an accurate picture of real world performance, and you end up with weasel wording and inaccuracies from confusing information. Like Sony blowing their horn about how great the Cell is at crunching numbers. Or the 360 technically having a tessellation unit yet it rarely, if ever, properly used.

Images speak louder than words. Plus as others have iterated, Nintendo isn't interested in a spec race, so words wouldn't do them any good.

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

Even the Wii had a better looking pre-launch E3 than this.

Perhaps, but only because Nintendo showed off games that didn't we didn't actually get until well after launch. I would personally take Rayman Legends over the Wii's entire library at launch. Or Pikmin 3. Or NSMB U. Not to mention Project P-100 and Zombi U look more interesting than any comparable titles in the Wii launch window.

 

[MYE]

And when Nintendo does show of the games we want, what happens?

Spoiler

yep that sounds like a gaf thread.

We wonder what PlaystationXPTO and DurangoboX graphics look like and how much better those Wii U games would look running on them.

Its like that Family Guy episode. GAF is like Roger, it has to let out all the bitchiness or it turns to poison and rotts its insides.

 

[ecosse_011172]

People need to accept that it's basically a 360 with some extra RAM, we're not getting anything beyond 360 level, simple as that.

If 4 months before launch even Nintendo can't come up with anything impressive then you're screwed.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Perhaps, but only because Nintendo showed off games that didn't we didn't actually get until well after launch. I would personally take Rayman Legends over the Wii's entire library at launch. Or Pikmin 3. Or NSMB U. Not to mention Project P-100 and Zombi U look more interesting than any comparable titles in the Wii launch window.

Filthy excite truck! People would be leaping for joy if they showed one at this conference though.

 

[LCGeek]

This isn't a good enough excuse when the show floor includes current gen games with technical issues that make them look and perform worse than their 360/PS3 counterparts. And Nintendo's own offerings do nothing to set a high standard.

Nintendo could do it, but they didn't. Again I point to the tech demo of Zelda last year. A stupid tech demo that wow'd people, because heyo, it's Zelda on non-shitty hardware. Even if that hardware is 360/PS3 level, it still impresses because it looks damn good.

What Nintendo want to do with their hardware is up to them. But their E3 showing was shitty from a visual standpoint, back by equally shitty third party offerings. It sends a bad message, and in the grand scheme of things is very poor form for a new console reveal.

Even the Wii had a better looking pre-launch E3 than this.

It's a fact I don't make excuses for nintendo I just know considering I've been around them since I was kid they would pull this.

Nintendo isn't at fault for ports by 3rd parties not being up to the snuff its the 3rd parties using crap teams to produce high end efforts in the console space. If the devs tools are crap than more devs can come out shit on them and we know nintendo is blame. They aren't going groundup and are porting if you thought it would be 1 to 1 that's not an excuse it's you not being realistic about what nintendo console development in the 3d age is and will be.

Nintendo doesn't push there system and I can bring up tons of my old post to show bread crumbs on the subject. Rare, boss studios, capcom, f5, and ubisoft alone have all made high end products on all of their 3d systems that shame most of their own efforts. Nintendo is about average to above average on their 3d systems they aren't the high end not when it comes to graphics.

Someone is asking nintendo to repeat something they did last year. Considering the forum do I need to point the abusrdity of that comment. If demos that still demonstrate there is bit of juice especially in lighting and texturing already doubtful anything of this system long term even in ideal situations will appeal to you. Despite the topic people are comparing a DX9 based era of games with SM4 games that could be developed with high end mindset over just upgrading DX9 based era games. Don't see how you missed the last few week of speculation or any of it after last E3 which was heavily hinting at this stuff.

For a crowd preaching this bs about ports a lot of you are forgetting the horrible port quality of this generation yet expecting a nintendo console to magically solve it.

 

[Log4Girlz]

People need to accept that it's basically a 360 with some extra RAM, we're not getting anything beyond 360 level, simple as that.

If 4 months before launch even Nintendo can't come up with anything impressive then you're screwed.

But it hasn't even shown us that level of graphics lol.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

We wonder what PlaystationXPTO and DurangoboX graphics look like and how much better those Wii U games would look running on them.

Its like that American Dad episode. GAF is like Roger, it has to let out all the bitchiness or it turns to poison and rotts its insides.

Fixed.

edit: Another thing Nintendo couldve showed off great looking 1st party games and wouldve immediately stole the thunder from batman,ass creed,etc. They really tryna help third parties this time. Approching it different from 3DS by not bringing out launch games but by showing graphically inact games with 3rd parties. We might not see something real good until like september.

 

[Bluemercury]

Well allegedly Nintendo paid Ubisoft for the AC port...

link, and that's one game...MS and Sony do this to many games, also Sony will probably die and still doing this...

 

[amar212]

It has three times the ram than current machines if the specs are right.

Anyone have any idea how much RAM would streaming to uPads occupy?

My question is how does usage of RAM divide (/theoretically) once streaming gets into picture?

 

[EatChildren]

Perhaps, but only because Nintendo showed off games that didn't we didn't actually get until well after launch. I would personally take Rayman Legends over the Wii's entire library at launch. Or Pikmin 3. Or NSMB U. Not to mention Project P-100 and Zombi U look more interesting than any comparable titles in the Wii launch window.

As I said earlier I'm not talking about the launch window. I'm talking about showing off a new piece of hardware, painting a picture of the future of said hardware, the future of the company, intellectual properties, and building a momentum for the hardware's launch. Giving your audience a good idea of what they'll be playing soon, and what is going to come in the future. This is how you advertise a whole new platform. Even if those games come later, much later, they show you want the future holds. Nintendo did it for the Wii. They did it for the 3DS. They didn't do it for the Wii U (at least, not yet).

A phoned in console reveal is poopy no matter how amazing Rayman will be.

 

[Horse Armour]

Anyone have any idea how much RAM would streaming to uPads occupy?

My question is how does usage of RAM divide (/theoretically) once streaming gets into picture?

Nope, doesn't work like that.

 

[MrCunningham]

Specs on paper are misleading as they don't paint an accurate picture of real world performance, and you end up with weasel wording and inaccuracies from confusing information.

Maybe. But yeah, we don't really know anything about how the hardware works, besides a few leaked specs. Which may or may not be true. Does the Wii U controller eat up a lot of CPU/ GPU cycles and additional RAM ? Or are these games running on unfinalized development kits?

I guess nobody here will really know, unless you are a developer working directly on the console.

 

[z0m3le]

Perhaps, but only because Nintendo showed off games that didn't we didn't actually get until well after launch. I would personally take Rayman Legends over the Wii's entire library at launch. Or Pikmin 3. Or NSMB U. Not to mention Project P-100 and Zombi U look more interesting than any comparable titles in the Wii launch window.

Yeah, the launch itself is better than Wii's, I mean the only good thing about Wii's launch (beyond Wii sports) was a gamecube game that was up ported. I honestly know I'm buying like 6 of those titles between my wife and I... P-100 btw is looking more and more fun each time I see a new video of it.

 

[JonathanPower]

CREDIT TO BGASSASSIN

I THINK

Was posted in the conference thread.

Looks legit, but time will tell:

http://www.vgleaks.com/world-premiere-wii-u-specs/

32MB high-bandwidth eDRAM, supports 720p 4x MSAA or 1080p rendering in a single pass.

If this is true, this is impressive.

 

[amar212]

Nope, doesn't work like that.

How does it work then, RAM-wise?