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Rumor: Leaked document detailing MS future plans for the Xbox line. 56 pages long.
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Syphon Filter
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MS need to make this a standard.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Again, LOL.
There's no way devs go for that. I'm fully confident that devs will stick with 30 fps in favor of prettier graphics.
dragonelite
Member
They should if none does .
I really hope too push gaming too the next level next gen stays away for another 2 years so more gamers will go with the PC and so hopefully raise the average gamers standard.
Why also not stay at 720p or tear a bit the average gamer doesn't have standard just show them some pretty pictures. Or hell why not make a game based on Simon says so we have full control what's happening and can allocate resources accordingly.
Gemüsepizza
Member
It pushes PC gaming (you are a PC player from what I have read?) a lot more if all next gen games are 720p/30 fps. If all next gen games would be 1080p/60fps, what would you increase on PC? The devs won't make much additional assets for one platform only.
dragonelite
Member
Gemüsepizza;39204870 said:
Fuck I was on my mobile that's what I wanted to say.
MikeE21286
Member
Yeah some of that stuff was so funny.
They showed Unreal Engine and talked bout how easy it was to develop for. It took devs at least 2 years to get that engine running as on PS3 as well as it did on 360.
shinra-bansho
Member
Further to that, the tone is still very dismissive.
Death Dealer
Member
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Unreal Tournament 3 came out on PS3 in December of 2007. By all accounts, it was a solid technical effort.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Well the game was made by Epic so its only normal...
jeff_rigby
Banned
What is Xbox Loop? I ignored it as I thought it was another rumored name for Xbox 720.
Xbox Project 10 = Xbox 361 = Xbox Next
Xbox 720 = Durango = Xbox 8 = Xbox 3 = Xbox Next
Where does Loop fit in?
See the confusion.
bgassassin
Member
The rumor from MSNerd that would essentially be the first indication of 361. It came out just before the Project 10 rumor.
http://msnerd.tumblr.com/post/12233928364/clarity
MikeE21286
Member
I was more referencing non-Epic 3rd party titles and how they compared to their Xbox 360 counterparts.
jeff_rigby
Banned
OK, I guess it could be the Xbox361 but again it's confusing some of the things Like based on ARM with ARM used for Trustzone. Samsung involved? Imagination Technologies? Maybe they are partners with AMD and some of the building blocks in Xbox 361, Xbox 720 as well as PS3.5 and PS4 are IP from them.
It's okay, the smart ones will continue to shoot for 60fps (like CoD) and profit.
Honestly, I completely expect more games to reach 60fps next gen than any other gen. It's supposedly becoming too expensive to shoot for the prettier graphics.
1080p, however, without question needs to be the standard. No one rolls with 720p TVs anymore.
You guys think MS would ever get Spotify on board? I mean they already have Last FM radio style stuff, but I want to be able to do like
Pull up the in game guide and play music over games through spotify rather than through my Zune. That's the ONLY reason I keep my Zune Pass.
Pull up the in game guide and play music over games through spotify rather than through my Zune. That's the ONLY reason I keep my Zune Pass.
Do people have the memories of a fly here on gaf? Lol
Microsoft "mandated" 720p at launch for the 360. Many of their own launch titles were subHD
I'm very interested in the media capabilities.
I'm hoping it'll work something like what my cable company rolled out earlier this year.
It's called ultraTV and it's basically a media box with a large hard drive that provides a whole house DVR solution. Each TV needs a small receiver to receive the stream from the main box, but you can record, watch, and pull up the program guide from any TV and it works for up to a maximum of 6 TVs.
The only reason I haven't gotten it is because it's expensive since its new, they don't offer bundled discounts on phone, or Internet if you take the ultraTV. But the biggest fault is that the main box is also your cable modem and wireless router and you can't run your own home networking equipment with it.
I'd love to have functionality like this out of one inexpensive box that I own, not rent, and allow me to use my own home network and equipment.
I'm hoping it'll work something like what my cable company rolled out earlier this year.
It's called ultraTV and it's basically a media box with a large hard drive that provides a whole house DVR solution. Each TV needs a small receiver to receive the stream from the main box, but you can record, watch, and pull up the program guide from any TV and it works for up to a maximum of 6 TVs.
The only reason I haven't gotten it is because it's expensive since its new, they don't offer bundled discounts on phone, or Internet if you take the ultraTV. But the biggest fault is that the main box is also your cable modem and wireless router and you can't run your own home networking equipment with it.
I'd love to have functionality like this out of one inexpensive box that I own, not rent, and allow me to use my own home network and equipment.
MikeE21286
Member
Man, I got lost in the rabbit-hole of old E3 hardware reveals/press conferences.
Fun memories.
Fun memories.
There would obviously be a monthy charge on the ms service as well.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Are you seriously thinking that the sole reason of CoDs success is the framerate?
No it is not.
There is no law which says you should only play 1080p content on 1080p TVs. And as I and others have pointed out many times, devs can make better looking games with 720p because the have more hardware power at their disposal for effects. And they will. Processing power of consoles is limited, they have to make trade-offs.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
Gemüsepizza;39210331 said:
Yes, although that is a whole other thread tbh, I made a case for this before one such thread.
Which launch games were sub-HD?
There have certainly been a few throughout the console's lifespan, but nothing drastic.
1080p would definitely make a difference though and help differentiate from the lower resolution 360 games.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Lots.
PGR3 and Perfect Dark Zero were tentpole first party releases and both were subHD.
Pdz looked like junk, ppl should take a look.
Ms marketed d shit of that game, at least in Sweden
iamshadowlark
Banned
You're insane lol.
Syphon Filter
Member
pdz looked great,still does too.
dragonelite
Member
But wasn't that for 3rd parties.
I dont think they will do it this gen.
But it would open up a lot of gameplay options if console gaming evolved and went with 60fps.
Especially since i heard tvs input latency are going back to sub 1ms with OLed tv atleast i vaguely remembered LG boasting about it. while you can get almost at best 14~16ms if your lucky on led or lcd screens that was the reason i went with a crappier contrast ratio tv because it had 14ms input latency compared to the 56ms hell i heard of tv sets with over 300ms latency and that was in gaming mode. Technology around the console is also evolving fast i can't see myself sitting on 1080p for 3 more years especially since my income is increasing more and more per year and im still a student so not really that much of external costs because i still life home.
I've heard people say it "feels smoother" than other games or that other games (halo) "feel slow". They can't really describe it though because they don't know what 60fps means. I doubt that's the sole reason for CODs success or even a big part of it, but some uninformed players still notice it.
I wish Activision would market that bullet point more. It would do us good for YouTube videos to have a bunch of comments like, "not 60fps, this game sucks". If they could turn it into fanboy logic then other companies would have to follow suit eventually to keep up. Or not. I dunno, its late and I'm tired lol.
dragonelite
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If it is not why does IW or Treyarch still try to target 60fps. Consider they could use the extra memory for better textures or the extra 16ms to render better looking frames if they targeted 30 fps. Because if they can win Best graphics at 60 fps they would surely secure Best graphics awards at 30 fps not mentioning the average gaming press journalist doesn't know good effects if it hit them in the face.
No it's pretty drastic how many subHD games there are on the HD consoles this gen. Both at launch and still now, first and third party. The TRC was bunk in that regard. Not to mention, all of the manufacturers have (wrongly, IMO) used the 1080p card already to describe their consoles. In any case, 1080p isn't going to be a standard by any means. If anything, "subfullHD" will become a new buzzword.
evil solrac v3.0
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what the heck is "subfullHD?" 720p?
No one is going to mandate 1080p and/or 60fps next Gen. Doing so would severely limit developers and either hurt or stop support of multi-platform titles.
I also think we'll see plenty of 720p30 titles next Gen. Especially later in the life-cycle as devs try to squeeze more out of these systems. Would be surprised to see any sub-HD titles though.
I also think we'll see plenty of 720p30 titles next Gen. Especially later in the life-cycle as devs try to squeeze more out of these systems. Would be surprised to see any sub-HD titles though.
I've heard of PGR3. Never heard that PDZ was.
I'm not really interested about the sub-HD mess that the current generation may have been, I want the next generation to be 1080p standard. We all have 1080p native TVs, 1080p TVs look best with 1080p resolution, and assuming all of the console manufacturers don't pull a Wii, and we get the standard 10x power increase (or more, considering it'll been 8 years instead of 5 this time), then the next gen consoles should be more than capable.
My PC friends have been gaming at 1080p or above for the better part of this generation already. It's about time consoles get with the program.
jeff_rigby
Banned
I didn't put this together until a few hours ago. Did you bring this up because you recognized the description of the Xbox Loop had the advanced hardware I'm contending will be in the Xbox 361 and PS3.5?
IF Xbox loop is Xbox361 it supports my contention that Microsoft and Sony found it cheaper to entirely drop an attempt to upgrade older hardware and totally replaced all hardware in the Xbox 361 and PS3.5 with a new custom GPU (probably 6000 series severely down-scaled of course for cost reasons) as well as some of the support hardware in the next generation from AMD building blocks including the two new RF formats to connect to Cell phones and most likely the PPC and SPUs in the Sony 2010 patent.
Both Xbox 361 and Sony PS3.5 use the exact same SOC and emulate the Xbox360 and PS3 respectively. Further if the Xbox 361 is the Xbox Loop then the PS3.5 is Orbis. With the same features to connect to Cell phones and tablets better able to support an ecosystem, Depth camera - higher res camera and LCD glasses.
All this is speculation based on published rumors, the Sony 2010 patent, the Microsoft powerpoint and an understanding of how difficult it would be to modify older hardware to support low power modes for a XTV HDMI Pass-thru Xbox 361. IF this speculation is true then this has been planned since 2010 as the Digitimes rumor was July 2011, the Sony patent was published late 2010. Futher both the Digitimes and Loop/Xbox361/Xbox project X all had manufacturing start at the end of 2011 for sale late 2012 so this timing supports Oban being the SOC for this.
I'm not at the point I'd take a ban bet but I'm very close.
onQ123's find of the Sony glasses might indicate they are coming from Sony sooner than we expected given the Xbox 720 powerpoint. First generation of the glasses in the Microsoft powerpoint had them hardwired which would need a custom interface in Loop and Orbis, second generation would have a wireless accessory (most likely needing a newer RF format) that the glasses would plug into (in the Xbox powerpoint it was strapped to your arm).
Digitimes rumor had Sony selling 20 million the first year; given what I've speculated I don't think that's unreasonable as most of us will be purchasing a PS3.5 for the living room and moving the PS3 to the den or bedroom where it can support RVU and streaming from the living room PS3.5.
Monty Mole
Member
Peter Moore was such a good presenter.
EDIT: Although he did almost run the Xbox division into the ground. Losing Bungie, Bioware and Bizarre Creations within a month of each other, along with the RROD fiasco and the lack of urgency it was dealt with. Their first party output was far more interesting back then though.
like 0.9.
dragonelite
Member
I know for sure that if a exclusive isn't that special and runs at 30 fps i will not buy it.
I will always have a soft spot for halo franchise so they get a free run but would love if they went 60 fps next gen. I find that a better progression then fully dynamic lighting for a arena based multiplayer game.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Compared to what? The Wii U?
Sirolf
Member
I think that Sony clearly heard the mass wave of developer bitching about ram few months ago.
Compared to each other.
You do realize that Bioware and Bizarre were never part of MS? And that it might not have been possible to avoid losing Bungie?
Can you elaborate on what you mean by not so special?
It's unlikely Halo will ever be 30fps. Those games are amazingly complex.
when did it become far from enough? because last year when Crytek & other devs said they wanted 8GB gaf laughed & said we would be lucky if we got more than 2GB
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=427598
& there is more threads like this & I was saying that people was crazy to think that we couldn't get more than 2GB.
joshwaan
Member
LOL so true OnQ123 I mean I think 2GB would be ok for maybe 3 years, but we are talking consoles that are going to last what 6 to 7 years so I think 4GB is a must IMO.
I'm very ready for Next Gen, I cannot wait till next year and really looking forward to the Wii U regardless of what specs it may have.
One thing I hope with the Next Xbox is that it can upscale the res of Xbox games and maybe have some AA applied in some games.
Do you guys think it's more likely Microsoft will have BC more then Ps3. I personally hope both companies provide BC in some form or another. From sounds of things Microsoft could very well have full BC, while Ps4 maybe limited to certain titles or none at all.
I'm very ready for Next Gen, I cannot wait till next year and really looking forward to the Wii U regardless of what specs it may have.
One thing I hope with the Next Xbox is that it can upscale the res of Xbox games and maybe have some AA applied in some games.
Do you guys think it's more likely Microsoft will have BC more then Ps3. I personally hope both companies provide BC in some form or another. From sounds of things Microsoft could very well have full BC, while Ps4 maybe limited to certain titles or none at all.
When multiple devs (presumably some of them even 1st party) ask for more RAM, you know they aren't asking because they are sloppy.
jeff_rigby
Banned
There is the other way to look at it. The hardware is so powerful that developers upscale the graphics fidelity which then requires more RAM.
I was hoping for 6GB but 3 or 4 seems about right if it's all GDDR5.
& from the documents & the rumors I heard before Xbox Next will have BC in the way that Sony usually does it by having the old console parts on board for the 1st year or so than removing it.