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[7threst]

Why does her contribution or lack thereof to the gaming industry matter?

Maybe he's just curious? Twitter is also for communicating.


Also, reading the quote in the OP again makes it not sound as bad actually:

Does Felicia Day matter at all? I mean does she actually contribute anything useful to this industry, besides retaining a geek persona?

@feliciaday, I keep seeing everywhere. Question: Do you matter at all? Do you even provide anything useful to gaming, besides “personality?

Could you be considered nothing more than a glorified booth babe? You don’t seem to add anything creative to the medium.

It's more general questions, delivered in a not so subtle tone. So yeah, he should've rephrased them in a more 'friendly' manner. But, what that Jim Sterling guy does is way way way more over the top. If somebody deserves to get fired over an offensive tweet it's him.

 

[Cursed Frogurt]

If he was good at sports, he'd have just been slapped on the wrist. Right, Amare? (and about 1000 other athletes that have said stupid shit via Twitter)

 

[Elginer]

So the moral of the story is if you can't say anything nice don't say shit?

 

[7threst]

Bingo. There's no burden placed upon her to 'prove herself' or to prove that she makes a contribution to gaming or whatever... it's never felt to me as if she claims to 'represent gaming' or take any position that would impose any such requirement.

She doesn't need to, Wil Wheaton does that for her

 

[Iadien]

If he was good at sports, he'd have just been slapped on the wrist. Right, Amare? (and about 1000 other athletes that have said stupid shit via Twitter)

Do you think he would have been fired if his comments were directed toward a male?

 

[ClassyPenguin]

Firing a guy for hating on some random woman? Eh.

Same thing would be some random intern talking shit about Lee Mckenzie.

 

[EscoBlades]

Do you think he would have been fired if his comments were directed toward a male?

Of course not.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

I had to Google everyone in the OP, I've never heard of these people. Except Will Wheaton, I've heard of him

 

[sakipon]

It's more general questions, delivered in a not so subtle tone. So yeah, he should've rephrased them in a more 'friendly' manner.

I think the first tweet is somewhat okay. It's a discussion starter, though perhaps he shouldn't have specified anyone.

The two other tweets on the other hand...

 

[Felix Lighter]

Are we sure he was fired for specifically what he said about Felicia Day? The guy seems a little unhinged. Maybe his unprovoked hostility goes beyond what he says on his twitter account.

 

[Alucrid]

You missed his point entirely. Her work on a couple of games hasn't furthered the industry to any new heights by any means. That's what he was getting at.

I don't get it. It's not like she's involved in games development or works for a game company. Why does it matter if she furthers the industry or not when she's tangentially related to it? He came up with this tweet because he has been seeing her everywhere? I haven't heard anything on her in ages. It makes no sense, I mean, how many people actually 'further the industry to new heights' anyway.

 

[El Sloth]

"Miscarriage soup."

Oh my.

Geek warfare. This is just fucking embarassing for all.

The jocks are over there, on the bleachers, getting blown by the cheerleaders while laughing at all you nerds.

What an embarrassing post this is considering the forum.

 

[Cursed Frogurt]

Do you think he would have been fired if his comments were directed toward a male?

I don't think he should have been fired at all. The PC police got him. But to answer your question, if he called someone a fag like Amare did, yes, the result would have been the same. If he said what he did to Felicia to a male? No, probably not. The booth babe part is what probably did him in. There's actually nothing wrong with anything else other than the fact that a simple google search would have shown him she's done voicework in games and created The Guild, which is game related. So on that front he looks pretty stupid. But if being stupid was fire-able, he'd be walking the unemployment line with a lot of people.

 

[Clear]

People are seemingly very sensitive to gender issues this year in gaming, Hitman trailer, Lara "rape", and now this... What's going on?

 

[TerryWogan]

Should I know who this Felicia Day is?

 

[ClassyPenguin]

People are seemingly very sensitive to gender issues this year in gaming, Hitman trailer, Lara "rape", and now this... What's going on?

Gamers being masochist and misogynists, no never.

 

[Durante]

People are seemingly very sensitive to gender issues this year in gaming, Hitman trailer, Lara "rape", and now this... What's going on?

Hits. Outrage causes hits.

 

[Shurs]

People are seemingly very sensitive to gender issues this year in gaming, Hitman trailer, Lara "rape", and now this... What's going on?

The community is growing up.

 

[Elginer]

I'm frankly sick of this shit. If a woman demeans or says something sexist about any man ever it's 'you go girlfriend!'. That includes shit in the gaming media. Look at the faux outrage over Tomb Raider or that ladies in gaming docudrama about some Kickstarter.

A man says something, and granted what this dude said wasn't 'bad' per say and he's hung by his balls. I don't get it. Hell, a guy can't even say a joke, because then he's a woman hater. But it's totally OK for a woman.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

As a proffesional business / entity, Destructoid must be seen to be unsuportive of comments that attack an individual. This is common sense.

However, firing the guy off the bat seems a bit like overkill. They could have distanced themselves from the comment -as they did - without needing to take it that far. It is their decision though.

As an individual human being, I believe each person has the right to make any comment they wish on a pesonal blog site, twitter, facebook and whatever else (So long as it's legal, ie, non racial etc)

But alas, this is common place. My previous employer told me that I represented them at all times. I could be fired for getting in a fight in a random pub on a friday night, simply because at that time, I was still representing the company.

I think something needs to be done about situations like this, as it effectively removes a persons right to free speech.

The guy said something dumb. But he did so on his own twitter, in his own time, when drunk. That should not reflect on any company.

 

[Cursed Frogurt]

The community is growing up.

If the uproar over Lara was "growing up", we're doing it wrong.

 

[Bilix]

He basically said the wrong things at the wrong time. Since women in gaming culture is such a hot topic since around E3, Destructoid is firing tge guy for damage control. I'm sure if he said the same things a few months ago, this wouldn't have happened.

I don't care much for Filicia Day, but 'Glorified Booth-Babe' wasn't a right thing to say.

 

[Akainu]

I don't know any of these people.

 

[ClassyPenguin]

The dude is employed by a major gaming site, so that would mean his employment has an audience.


That's all.

Blame is on the writer.

 

[JDSN]

Im glad he got fired, one of the silliest and vilest thing you can do is question the importance of someone.

Edit: Holy crap Felicia Day is not the same person as Veronica Belmont.

 

[Seraphinianus]

@wilw I'm small-time. Nobody should care about what I say. Go fuck yourself, you opportunistic puddle of miscarriage soup.

JESUS

what a classy fuckin' insult

 

[Diddy Kong]

Full of fail.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

So the moral of the story is if you can't say anything nice don't say shit?

The moral is that free speech is dead, so long as you are employed.

 

[Cursed Frogurt]

JESUS

what a classy fuckin' insult

Any sympathy I may have had for him losing his job died when I saw that. Good fucking riddance to him.

The moral is that free speech is dead, so long as you are employed.

Not sure where you've been, but it's been this way for decades. I can name 10 sports writers that got fired for saying stupid shit off the air/out of print. You still have free speech, but it has consequences when you represent a corporation.

 

[erpg]

Felicia Day, Veronica Belmont and the other San Francisco circle are beyond reproach. Nerd culture royalty.

 

[remnant]

The community is growing up.

Growing up is doing counter to what every artistic medium does by self censuring and going into its own bubble?

 

[spirity]

Has David Cameron commented on this appalling turn of events yet?

 

[OldJadedGamer]

I don't know any of these people.

After googling both of them I'm still clueless

 

[Zabka]

Wesley Crusher is mental. This just reinforces my belief that the Traveler was an interdimensional space pedophile.

 

[Seraphinianus]

Any sympathy I may have had for him losing his job died when I saw that. Good fucking riddance to him.

you have the best user name

 

[ClassyPenguin]

After googling both of them I'm still clueless

One is a voice actor, and actor, the other is some random intern.
That is all.

 

[The Anti-Monitor]

Growing up is doing counter to what every artistic medium does by self censuring and going into its own bubble?

Keep justifying all the ridiculously immature and childish shit in gaming as art, then go cry about why no one else considers gaming a serious industry.

 

[Majima Everywhere System]

The Tweets didn't seem to be inspired by a certain incident.

He probably just ran across that Country Guy, Gamer Girl video on YouTube. That would do it.

 

[famousmortimer]

IMO, Felcia Day is the same thing as Destructoid. She does try to add to the world of games with her web series... the problem is that it's a piece of shit and embarrassing to watch. Destructoid is the same thing to the already embarrassing field of games journalism.


So pot, black, and all of that stuff.

 

[Stumpokapow]

The moral is that free speech is dead, so long as you are employed.

Free speech has nothing to do with giving you the ability to say what you want, how you want, when you want, and everything to do with the government not being able to regulate, with legal sanction, the content of speech. It is strictly an injunction against the government. It's not about a cultural of personal pluralism.

There has never been a time or place in history where you can freely insult people without consequence, whether the nature of those consequences involves your employment, your friends and social groups, your reputation in the community, or any other consequence.

In this case it isn't even a leap. This is a guy who, on a profile representing his employer, made insulting comments about another person in his field of employ in the context of his field of employ. This isn't an employee of a sports company saying Obamacare sucks or Republicans More Like Rethuglicans at a cocktail party with a bunch of his non-coworker friends. And it's not like he even expressing an opinion that was controversial based on its approach; he didn't make a stance or anything. He simply insulted someone in a personal and aggressive way. Out of left field. That's a cruel thing to do and reflects very poorly on him as a person.

 

[Cursed Frogurt]

Keep justifying all the ridiculously immature and childish shit in gaming as art, then go cry about why no one else considers gaming a serious industry.

Yes, because attempting to make the gamer care enough about Lara Croft's plight to such a degree that they feel empathy/sympathy for her is so much different than David Fincher doing the same exact thing with Lisbeth. The only immature and childish behavior I saw there was the chorus of "misogynist" and "sexists!" hurled at the developers. There's a lot wrong with the gaming industry, but gross overreactions aren't going to turn the tide.

 

[remnant]

Keep justifying all the ridiculously immature and childish shit in gaming as art, then go cry about why no one else considers gaming a serious industry.

I'm prettty sure the billion in sales, million of capital investment and thousands of jobs gives a lot more credence to us being respected than boorish arguments in which we try to censor our own industry.

 

[Akainu]

One is a voice actor, and actor, the other is some random intern.
That is all.

...so neither of them matter at all? Welcome to the club.

 

[dacuk]

And still, there is some people that thinks "game journalism" is a real job.

 

[Kinyou]

Does Felicia Day matter at all? I mean does she actually contribute anything useful to this industry, besides retaining a geek persona?

@feliciaday, I keep seeing everywhere. Question: Do you matter at all? Do you even provide anything useful to gaming, besides “personality?

Could you be considered nothing more than a glorified booth babe? You don’t seem to add anything creative to the medium.

Fired? For that?

Don't get me wrong, it's not nice to say, but I could imagine so, so, much more worse things to say.

 

[C Jones]

Free speech has nothing to do with giving you the ability to say what you want, how you want, when you want, and everything to do with the government not being able to regulate, with legal sanction, the content of speech. It is strictly an injunction against the government. It's not about a cultural of personal pluralism.

There has never been a time or place in history where you can freely insult people without consequence, whether the nature of those consequences involves your employment, your friends and social groups, your reputation in the community, or any other consequence.

In this case it isn't even a leap. This is a guy who, on a profile representing his employer, made insulting comments about another person in his field of employ in the context of his field of employ. This isn't an employee of a sports company saying Obamacare sucks or Republicans More Like Rethuglicans at a cocktail party with a bunch of his non-coworker friends. And it's not like he even expressing an opinion that was controversial based on its approach; he didn't make a stance or anything. He simply insulted someone in a personal and aggressive way. Out of left field. That's a cruel thing to do and reflects very poorly on him as a person.

I can never figure out why people think "free speech" means you can say whatever you want with absolutely zero repercussion from anything or anyone.

 

[IndieJones]

So the moral of the story is if you can't say anything nice don't say shit?

It's more like the golden rule: Do unto others as you would have done unto you.

This guy asked if Felicia Day contributed anything to the medium; Destructoid asked him if he contributed to the medium.

Obviously both parties felt the respective answer was "no", but only Destructoid had the authority to do anything about it.

 

[Metal Gear?!]

This is the gaming press we are talking about.
They're on the same level as The National Enquirer in terms of journalistic integrity.

The National Enquirer won a Pulitzer for breaking the John Edwards scandal. The gaming press has nothing on that.

 

[Cursed Frogurt]

The National Enquirer won a Pulitzer for breaking the John Edwards scandal. The gaming press has nothing on that.

I think Destructoid got one for telling the truth about Uncharted 3. I keeeed!

 

[remnant]

The National Enquirer won a Pulitzer for breaking the John Edwards scandal. The gaming press has nothing on that.

Team Bonding treatment of workers and laborious?