Well not that it was ever in doubt, but BF4 is confirmed. What do we think te chances are of this being one of the 'secret' Wii U games in development by EA? or are we goign to get a BF3 'tester' first? Is a prime opportunity for Wii U to show its not going to be all about ageing ports...
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Lets hope so. Would be a slap in the face for them to have pledged "unprecidented levels of support" only to go all half arsed on us.
And after checking out Stewox's link I'm now really hoping we see Crysis 3 on Wiiu. that demo stuff looks tasty (above my last post)
Alright, let me put it this way. It would be bad business and shear stupidity for SE to not put a main numbered final fantasy on the Wii UFF13 was in 360 because 360 sells a lot in the western countries and the port was "easy" and cheap. And moneyhats of course
The next FF depends on SE and what they want to achieve, if they want to use Luminous ... then ps3-x360 and maybe wii u will be out of the equation.
and if they don't put one on there, it won't be because of the consoles specs.I dunno- I have a feeling something shifted between E3 2011 and 2012. I'm not expecting much from EA.
Re: Japanese support. This is probably partly repeating what I've already said, but I think it is fair to expect better support.
1-Nintendo as a company has much better relationships with Japanese companies compared to Western ones.
2- Nintendo has a much better track record with these companies, largely because of the DS/3DS successes.
3- While the Wii overall did not do that much for 3rd parties, it still was a massive success compared to the GC and Nintendo should have a lot more leverage and influence than it had in 2005.
4- On the same note, Sony is a lot weaker than it was in 2005. Franchises will not go to the PS4 by default.
5-Unless things drastically change, Vita is going to be dead in the water and unlikely to compete with Wii U for development to any significant degree.
6-Japanese companies will be much more hesitant to spend the money to develop another new engine for home consoles, especially companies that still do the bulk of their sales from Japan.
1-Nintendo as a company has much better relationships with Japanese companies compared to Western ones.
2- Nintendo has a much better track record with these companies, largely because of the DS/3DS successes.
3- While the Wii overall did not do that much for 3rd parties, it still was a massive success compared to the GC and Nintendo should have a lot more leverage and influence than it had in 2005.
4- On the same note, Sony is a lot weaker than it was in 2005. Franchises will not go to the PS4 by default.
5-Unless things drastically change, Vita is going to be dead in the water and unlikely to compete with Wii U for development to any significant degree.
6-Japanese companies will be much more hesitant to spend the money to develop another new engine for home consoles, especially companies that still do the bulk of their sales from Japan.
Captain Smoker
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Anyone knows this video?
Wii U - Dx10 (OpenGL 4.1022)Tessellation/Particle Effects/Lighting Environments Graphics Demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8sTbJ0xrFk
Don't know if it's credible.
Edit:
And it's 1 year old. ^^
Wii U - Dx10 (OpenGL 4.1022)Tessellation/Particle Effects/Lighting Environments Graphics Demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8sTbJ0xrFk
Don't know if it's credible.
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And it's 1 year old. ^^
DaSorcerer7
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guess its fake.
Yeah, I see what you mean. Which is why I think we'll only see their heavy hitters. That's the reason why we're getting Mass Effect 3, and why titles like Dead Space and Crysis are being left behind. Not that those titles aren't heavy hitters--they're just not as much so, sales wise (although I could be wrong).
This always seemed like the direction they were headed and I'm fine with that. It goes with the comments from Iwata when he acknowledged that the Wii didn't satisfy many Nintendo fans. They know many bought PS3s and 360s because of games that weren't on the Wii or just wasn't possible. They have to want to get some of those gamers back and stop them from spreading their money around between Nintendo's systems and others. This is why, to me at least, why Reggie tried to spin the Wii U name the way he did at E3 2011. However how they presented the console since then does not seem connected to that. This is why the focus on year old ports is concerning when there were other more current games. It gives the impression they don't really understand the situation they are in with core gamers. That the system's future might be bleak. Of course no one expects all 3rd party games. The systems power will play a role as well as the bias some publishers/developers have against the Nintendo in general. However it's up to Nintendo to push past that and let people know things will be alright.
The focus should be on Darksiders 2, Assassin's Creed 3, Alien's, in addition to ZombiU, Rayman Legends, etc. For the first there is no gameplay footage on the E3 site correct?
Unless Nintendo is going to come out swinging after Christmas I'm really concerned. I've been very pessimistic (other personal things are influencing this to be honest) but I do want a Wii U at launch. I want for there to be games that make it a must buy though instead of me just wanting it because I know games that will come at a much later date. However I guess I have to accept that won't be the case. I just want to be assured that I'll be able to pick up the next Call of Duty, Madden, next big RPG from Bioware or Bethesda, next big action game that shows up. Local multiplayer isn't a help for me but online is. Just want to not regret my purchase and I guess feel extremely hyped going into the purchase. Hype generated by Nintendo, not self made. My PC is still an option after a minor upgrade but I rather not stress that machine if I can help it.
shinra-bansho
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Just regarding point 4, which franchises are you referring to?
Final Fantasy? Tales? Dynasty Warriors? Ryu ga Gotoku? Disgaea?
Because I imagine they will still go to the PS4 by default, but they may just come to the Wii U as well.
I don't think that is at all a sure bet, at least compared to the runup to the PS3.
You have good points. I think Nintendo needs to do before courting the western developers is to bring back the Japanese developers first. Western 3rd party companies will always want more power but it's not what Nintendo wants to do. The Wii U has the capacity with the screen to bring some big games on the controller. It will be an handheld in the console. And the handheld market is the biggest market in Japan. I always thought that Nintendo will be the first to do an hybrid handheld/console.
At the end in the future, all consoles will have something that is going to lack and yes I can see the Wii U lacking in the western support. Like the Xbox 3 will lack of Japanese support unless they want to emulate what the western developers will do which a few of them will success.
There's too much platform that a gamer could choose. Prepare to see the market to diluate and not evolve at this point. There will not have a new PS2 when everyone support 1 console.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
That's a demo-scene production (Struct by Outracks), not running on the wiiU in any shape or form.
That said, demo could be perfectly achievable on the wiiU, but I repeat, *this is not a wiiU demo*.
shinra-bansho
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Since it's being brought up again. Handhelds are popular due to the pervasiveness of commuting. The Wii U is not a handheld.
I can't see the Yakuza franchise jumping ship.
And as for Tales, one can point to the sales discrepancy between Vesperia/GracesF/Xillia and Graces/Symphonia on the Wii. Although considering how badly Namco handles the Tales franchise maybe it will go exclusive.
Things can definitely change, userbases may shift. But I'd foresee multiplatform development becoming the norm more than Wii U exclusive Japanese development.
Notwithstanding I don't think Final Fantasy will be exclusive, I can't conceivably see it going Wii U exclusive.
I can't see the Yakuza franchise jumping ship.
And as for Tales, one can point to the sales discrepancy between Vesperia/GracesF/Xillia and Graces/Symphonia on the Wii. Although considering how badly Namco handles the Tales franchise maybe it will go exclusive.
Things can definitely change, userbases may shift. But I'd foresee multiplatform development becoming the norm more than Wii U exclusive Japanese development.
cyberheater
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Went into my local Gamestation today. They still have no idea when it's launching and the price. They basically said there is zero interest in it at the moment.
Nintendo. What the fuck do you think you are doing?
Nintendo. What the fuck do you think you are doing?
DaSorcerer7
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Game is already taking pre-orders.
cyberheater
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Yes. But I'm sure they would take pre-orders for PS4 and Xbox720 as well.
Tales mother ship is staying "where they have their audience" (ps3/4 and vita according to namco). Yes he said Vita.
Cyberheater: no advertising yet.
That is definitely possible, and perhaps likely- and that would still be a huge win for Nintendo.
Edit- What I can see happening for many titles that go to consoles is what happened with Basara 3.
No idea
What are you thoughts on why some many demos at e3 running were on Kepler? Epic said that everyone was showing what they can do given that power to ms/Sony. But given the rumor specs this is above these next Gen consoles.
As far as I'm concerned, the store should be taking its own initiative. EB Games Australia has regularly had the Wii U plastered on its front page on and off for about a year now, with its own "guess" price listed, a pre-order option, full game listings and other things already uploaded to the site.
Not that I don't think Nintendo could be handling it much better (this is usually the pervading opinion anyway, heh), but your Gamestation should stop crying about having zero interest and put up a "Christmas 2012" release announcement with a healthy guesstimate price and a big fat per-order button at the very least. It's in their power to do so (if they already haven't).
DaSorcerer7
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Nah...there's no info on the other two. Its not comparable.
cyberheater
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Yeah. That's a good point. Still. I do wonder when the Nintendo marketing machine will switch into gear.
DaSorcerer7
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September.
Pay no mind to it. All next gen consoles have vliw or gcn and gpus. You already know the ranges and power based on the targets.
Nvidia gives free tech to devs a lot more than amd but in this case it makes no difference. The code will be portAble between the 2.
That the hardware they're using is far more powerful than the next gen consoles is what people like me keep telling you guys to temper your expectations.
bgassassin
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FF13 was in 360 because 360 sells a lot in the western countries and the port was "easy" and cheap. And moneyhats of course
The next FF depends on SE and what they want to achieve, if they want to use Luminous ... then ps3-x360 and maybe wii u will be out of the equation.
And this is why a good portion of developers don't need to make business decisions.
*see IGN poll and the declaration that Xbox 3 will be the best seller next gen*
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The middleware is the engines in this case.
Also the performance benchmarks were being done on 3rd party engines. That's how we know about the boosts in the first place.
http://www.vgleaks.com/e3-2012-cryengine3-and-crysis-3-dx11-demonstration-leak-out/attachment/004/
I always did like that music.
prag16
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Gamestops by me are taking preorders on Wii U games right now, but not the actual system. For whatever that's worth.
As for building buzz, there's still plenty of time. Though they're not off to a great start.
cyberheater
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Cool. I hope we a least get to find out pricing from Nintendo at the GDC Europe next month.
prag16
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Yep, unless they want to launch for $800 or release 2014 or later.
I doubt MS/Sony can afford to give Nintendo a full two year head start. That's why 2013 is what I'd expect them to target (thus with specs significantly weaker than these kepler/i7 setups).
Who knows. Delaying their new consoles by another year might allow them to beef up the hardware, making another PS360 vs. Wii situation. I almost want the PS480 to come out earlier to avoid this.
Oh, and hai. ;D
Fourth Storm
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I've actually been wondering this for a while now. I'm in the process of writing up some thoughts on it if people can handle more tech talk. Seems we're now back on the "3rd Parties: Will They or Won't They Support" thread. Haha
I'm surprised GS isn't taking pre-orders. It seems they are waiting for date and price to be announced first (I believe they did the same thing with the Wii) but I really think they should let someone pre-order it if they want to. I hardly ever go to GS anymore, but I live in a relatively small town so it's a great place to pre-order during console launches. They order a certain amount of consoles for a new launch and it's usaully not more than a dozen, I would of pre-ordered a long time ago if I could have, but now I'm worried they'll announce pre-orders and all the sudden the spots will be filled.
It's usually not a big deal as I've been able to grab every console at launch I want day one, but going into GS at midnight the night of to pick up a reserved console (did this with 360) is more comfortable than standing in line, in the cold hoping they have enough at Target or something (did this with the Wii). It's always worked out and I've never had to camp, but I would hate to have disaster strike and miss out on launch day because GS won't take pre-orders on a console that's announced to come out this holiday.
I doubt it, third-parties are aware of the precise launching date since a few months now, at least for Japan and North-America.
Well you can't drop a hint like that without elaborating a little.... Do you know the date?
That's funny because when I ask if I can preorder the Wii U at my eb games they say "a bunch of ppl keep asking us that and we won't have them until a price announcement. You can preorder games though". I guess the market in Toronto is more Nintendo-centric than your town.
EatChildren
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I'm pretty sure at this stage, due to no price/date announced, pre-orders for the Wii U are on a store by store basis. The store I worked at has been taking 'pre-orders' since E3 2011, but those 'pre-orders' simply amount to a typed slip stored away in a file. We couldn't take any deposits, and the pre-order never went in the computer system, because the platform hadn't been put in yet. I figure it still isn't in.
Generally stores wont bother pushing pre-orders for a system until a date or pricing is announced. Then it goes into the system, and a marketing push can begin.
Generally stores wont bother pushing pre-orders for a system until a date or pricing is announced. Then it goes into the system, and a marketing push can begin.
MadeInBeats
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N-Direct tomorrow?
https://twitter.com/nintendo/status/225130279407333376
NDirect channel http://www.youtube.com/user/nintendodirectch
https://twitter.com/nintendo/status/225130279407333376
NDirect channel http://www.youtube.com/user/nintendodirectch
Pretty much, I am thinking though we will get Nintendo Network, Virtual Console, etc details at Nintendo Direct next month
chertipros
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I think thats just a minor one to promote oni training launching in japan
EDIT: damn. beaten like a red headed stepchild
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