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[Seanspeed]

It was better when you were lumping all of CFA's customers who were aware of the company's stance in with radical, homophobic bigots.

I dont remember that happening. I've seen it move towards that at times, but it usually gets tempered down to reasonableness pretty quickly.

Stop being so intolerant of these people. Attacking their religious freedom.

I find that really annoying, too. They are trying to delude themselves and others into thinking its a war on religion/Christianity, not a fundamental human rights issue.

 

[notworksafe]

A fool and his money are soon parted.

Before this debacle, investing in a Chick-Fil-A franchise was far from a foolish prospect.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Before this debacle, investing in a Chick-Fil-A franchise was far from a foolish prospect.

The fool did not question the ticking sound and then...


BOOM.

 

[Seanspeed]

Before this debacle, investing in a Chick-Fil-A franchise was far from a foolish prospect.

Sure, but anybody taking on a franchise would have to be pretty comfortable with the overtly Christian views the company likes to portray. You wouldn't have feminists buying up Hooter's franchises just because they're profitable.

 

[notworksafe]

Sure, but anybody taking on a franchise would have to be pretty comfortable with the overtly Christian views the company likes to portray. You wouldn't have feminists buying up Hooter's franchises just because they're profitable.

What was their public overtly Christian view before this that would be detrimental to business? Being closed on Sunday?

 

[Seanspeed]

What was their public overtly Christian view before this that would be detrimental to business? Being closed on Sunday?

I think you've missed my point by a ways.

 

[notworksafe]

I think you've missed my point by a ways.

Not really. My point was that investing in CFA before this whole mess was far from foolish financially, which seems to be what Dookkake was implying.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Not really. My point was that investing in CFA before this whole mess was far from foolish financially, which seems to be what Dookkake was implying.

No, it was foolish.

If you get into business with someone, it pays to do your homework. It's not like CFA hid their Christian leanings.

No tears for the stupid.

 

[Trey]

I was not making an indictment on Obama's stance in any way. The indictment was on those who had no problem with Obama's stance but are now all "DERP Well, I don't eat your fried chicken sandwich anymore!"

I made a less politically charged version of your post earlier in this thread. The consensus at that time was that other Christian organizations/companies don't "flaunt it" like CFA.

 

[KingGondo]

Sure, but anybody taking on a franchise would have to be pretty comfortable with the overtly Christian views the company likes to portray. You wouldn't have feminists buying up Hooter's franchises just because they're profitable.

I met a CFA VP at my friend's wedding last year, and he made it pretty clear that franchise applicants go through a rigorous vetting process.

I'm sure it's all but guaranteed that all CFA franchisees have been verified to be Christian (or at least "upstanding members of the community") before they're granted their franchises.

The guy I met was creepy, btw. Like a conservative, evangelical John Edwards.

 

[notworksafe]

No, it was foolish.

If you get into business with someone, it pays to do your homework. It's not like CFA hid their Christian leanings.

No tears for the stupid.

How was it financially foolish? The parent company's Christian leanings weren't controversial or financially detrimental before this. Those leanings didn't stop the money from coming in.

 

[Count Dookkake]

How was it financially foolish? The parent company's Christian leanings weren't controversial or detrimental before this. Those leanings didn't stop the money from coming in.

One way to be stupid is not to see how an environment is changing.

Is anyone else having difficulty understanding this?

Eh? I'm not going to cry for them either, but it was only foolish insofar as this was predictable. Has CFA previously publicly flaunted their anti-gay stance like this?

Well, yeah.

 

[Cyan]

No, it was foolish.

If you get into business with someone, it pays to do your homework. It's not like CFA hid their Christian leanings.

No tears for the stupid.

Eh? I'm not going to cry for them either, but it was only foolish insofar as this was predictable. Has CFA previously publicly flaunted their anti-gay stance like this?

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Kosmo getting his talking points from ultra-shitbags like the McCoys would go great lengths to explaining oh so much.

 

[chaostrophy]

Before this debacle, investing in a Chick-Fil-A franchise was far from a foolish prospect.

Yes and no. I think it's been obvious for a long time that the social views held by the corporation were losing favor in America and would soon be outside the mainstream. But OTOH businesses distance themselves from outdated beliefs and embrace new ones all the time, it's how any company survives social progress. Who would have known that Chick-fil-A wouldn't?

 

[notworksafe]

One way to be stupid is not to see how an environment is changing.

Is anyone else having difficulty understanding this?

So no answer then? How were the parent company's public views detrimental to business before this incident?

 

[KingGondo]

Do we have any idea how the recent backlash has affected Chick fil-A financially?

Sadly, I could see their business picking up in some areas.

 

[Count Dookkake]

So no answer then? How were the parent company's public views detrimental to business before this incident?

lol.

You are being silly. Environments change. Smart people know and embrace this.

It's okay if you don't, can't or won't understand.

 

[Seanspeed]

Not really. My point was that investing in CFA before this whole mess was far from foolish financially, which seems to be what Dookkake was implying.

Oh ok. I was thinking by 'fool', he meant the franchise owners who probably had similar beliefs to Mr. Cathy.

Even now, I think investing in Chick-Fil-A might not be a terrible idea. I dont see this hurting their business too much. Plenty of people will get upset, but it'll be a small minority and plenty of people acting upset about it now will probably eat there in future most likely.

 

[notworksafe]

lol.

You are being silly. Environments change. Smart people know and embrace this.

It's okay if you don't, can't or won't understand.

Okay, since you obviously have no answer to my question we'll discuss this.

How exactly do "smart" people plan ahead for occurances that have never happened and they have had no indication WOULD happen in the future?

 

[Dude Abides]

Staunch supporter of not giving a shit about what people do in their personal lives.

Apparently not.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Okay, since you obviously have no answer to my question we'll discuss this.

How exactly do "smart" people plan ahead for occurances that have never happened and they have had no indication WOULD happen in the future?

lol

Only a moron can't see that gay marriage is going to happen and that gays are vocal about their struggle. Times are changing. The dinosaurs are dying.

If you are getting into business with people who tout their antiquated "morality," it behooves you to investigate how that intersects with the real world. If not, oh well. Not everyone is cut out to be a business owner.

 

[Wuthering_Heights]

Do we have any idea how the recent backlash has affected Chick fil-A financially?

Sadly, I could see their business picking up in some areas.

Probably better in some areas, worse in others. Seen a few pictures of drive through lines wrapped around the building and super crowded dine in areas today, but I'll assume that's not indicative of all locations.

 

[No Name]

Eh? I'm not going to cry for them either, but it was only foolish insofar as this was predictable. Has CFA previously publicly flaunted their anti-gay stance like this?

I don't know if they ever overtly stated it before, but about a year ago it was revealed that they gave millions to anti-gay marriage groups. That's when I decided to stop eating there. Obviously that story must not have been as publicised as this one otherwise there would have been much more of a backlash then.

Okay, since you obviously have no answer to my question we'll discuss this.

How exactly do "smart" people plan ahead for occurances that have never happened and they have had no indication WOULD happen in the future?

Perhaps the point he is trying to make is that keen businessmen need to know what is occurring in the external environment of the business and prepare for it accordingly. With gay marriage gaining more favor as time passes, it was inevitable that a backlash would eventually occur.

 

[Apath]

Kosmo, staunch ally of gays everywhere.

That story is actually really funny. Just the other day my girlfriend was telling how she went to an all girls school, and all of the girls there would complain that lesbians were allowed to have their girl friends over (and fuck?), but they couldn't have their boy friends over.

 

[notworksafe]

lol

Only a moron can't see that gay marriage is going to happen and that gays are vocal about their struggle. Times are changing. The dinosaurs are dying.

If you are getting into business with people who tout their antiquated "morality," it behooves you to investigate how that intersects with the real world. If not, oh well. Not everyone is cut out to be a business owner.

CFA never made a public statement before this regarding gays or marriage. They haven't been any more publicly political than any of their competitors. So the "moron" not seeing gay marriage happening isn't relevant.

But you clearly aren't interested in discussion. You'll just keep repeating the same thing over and over as if it was an answer to my question while sticking in weak jabs and condescending statements. That trend is plainly obvious.

 

[Count Dookkake]

CFA never made a public statement before this regarding gays or marriage.

I made no claim to the contrary. Stop putting words in my mouth.

 

[KingGondo]

Probably better in some areas, worse in others. Seen a few pictures of drive through lines wrapped around the building and super crowded dine in areas today, but I'll assume that's not indicative of all locations.

That's how most locations are all the time where I live (Oklahoma).

Most people here will shrug their shoulders. I used to occasionally go there, but no more until they apologize and reverse their stance.

In other news, I will never be eating at CFA for the rest of my life.

 

[Wallach]

CFA never made a public statement before this regarding gays or marriage. They haven't been any more publicly political than any of their competitors. So the "moron" not seeing gay marriage happening isn't relevant.

Do their competitors donate millions of dollars to known anti-gay groups? Because those donations were public and we've known about them for a few years.

 

[MIMIC]

Loving v Virginia



The only difference at issue is whether it is acceptable to deny this fundamental right to an otherwise qualified citizen on the basis of the sex of the person they want to marry but the Court CLEARLY considered marriage a right.

OK, so marriage is a right. I didn't know that.

 

[No Name]

Well this is bad timing:

Sad news from Chick-fil-A.

Donald Perry, Chick-fil-A's vice president of corporation public relations, has died of a heart attack, according to WRBL News 3 in Columbus, Georgia.

He was a long-time employee of Chick-fil-A, and has often been a spokesperson for the company.

Here's the statement from Chick-fil-A:

"We are saddened to report the news to you that our dear friend Don Perry, vice president of public relations, passed away suddenly this morning.

"Don was a member of our Chick-fil-A family for nearly 29 years. For many of you in the media, he was the spokesperson for Chick-fil-A. He was a well-respected and well-liked media executive in the Atlanta and University of Georgia communities, and we will all miss him.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with his family."


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/chic...s-died-of-a-heart-attack-2012-7#ixzz21qn73M8A

http://www.businessinsider.com/chick-fil-as-head-of-pr-has-died-of-a-heart-attack-2012-7

Sad news. And now the company will need to move on in the middle of this debacle without its top PR guy.

 

[Wuthering_Heights]

Hate to hear about anyone dying and leaving a family behind.

 

[Count Dookkake]

God is trolling them Job style.

 

[ruxtpin]

God is trolling them Job style.

I chuckled.

 

[Mercury Fred]

Well this is bad timing:
http://www.businessinsider.com/chick-fil-as-head-of-pr-has-died-of-a-heart-attack-2012-7

Sad news. And now the company will need to move on in the middle of this debacle without its top PR guy.

Yow. Sad to hear. I wonder if the stress of trying to make the lying and bigotry palatable and believable on a grand scale was a stressor that became a contributing factor.

 

[Wilsongt]

Poor guy... That's really sad.

Cue the conspiracy theorist. Tin foil hats at the ready.

 

[Wario64]

Wow

 

[SouthernDragon]

Hmm I must've missed that huge CNN report about how people are just super fucking pissed. In America, gay marriage is a bigger issue than third world countries being abused by our major coporations.

You probably did. But no worries, here are some articles referencing the massive public pressure Nike came under in the late 90s/early 00s.

Here's an entire Wikipedia article on it.

Since you specified CNN, here are articles referencing the public pressure Nike came under in 1996, 2002, and 2005. Here's another brief history on the matter. CNN's search is ass, so this is the best I can do in 5 minutes.

Since this did occur in the 90s, I'll forgive you for not knowing about it. I would be surprised if you had not heard about Apple and the Foxconn scandal. Here's another Wikipedia article about that.

Edit: Not to mention we can chew bubble gum and walk at the same time; we can address labor issues and gay marriage.

 

[Omegasquash]

God is trolling them Job style.

I feel semi-bad about it since someone died, but...

*Golf clap

 

[Keru_Shiri]

I don't think that cartoon crammed enough leftist stereotypes into it's strawman.

 

[levious]

CFA never made a public statement before this regarding gays or marriage. They haven't been any more publicly political than any of their competitors. So the "moron" not seeing gay marriage happening isn't relevant.

the public statement was not a revelation of their stances on homosexuality or same sex marriage.

 

[Kettch]

I find that really annoying, too. They are trying to delude themselves and others into thinking its a war on religion/Christianity, not a fundamental human rights issue.

It's completely ridiculous for another reason too. You can currently have a religious marriage to a same sex partner anywhere in any church that will take you. It simply won't be recognized by the state in most cases. The thing they're fighting against has nothing to do with the religious part of marriage at all, only government recognition and the legal rights that come with it.

 

[WanderingWind]

Wholly anecdotal story here, but the Chik-Fil-A and In-N-Out near my workplace are in continuous competition because they are next to each other in the same plaza. They're both ALWAYS busy. Always in 2 years of working there has been an enormous line at both.

Today...not a single car at Chik-Fil-A. In-N-Out was as busy as always, but there wasn't a soul at the Chik-Fil-A.

 

[levious]

I am not blasting Obama at all, I'm asking those who are outraged at this why they were not outraged at Obama. Regardless of if he was giving money to "anti-gay" organizations or not, his stance was essentially the same.

holy shit kosmo, low for even you. Many of us here often criticized Obama and the dem party's ratther cowardly fence-sitting stances in the past (non-opposing same sex marriage, yet not fighting for it at all and leaving it up to states) but this is nothing like the other.

 

[I H8 Memes]

http://i.imgur.com/2A4ZC.gif[IMG]

Kosmo getting his talking points from ultra-shitbags like the McCoys would go great lengths to explaining oh so much.[/QUOTE]

Why does the protestor have a penis and balls on his knees?

 

[Count Dookkake]

Why does the protestor have a penis and balls on his knees?

Not everyone keeps their genitals in the same place, captain.

 

[Downhome]

We have three CFA locations here in town in SC and they always have people in line, no matter the time, and at the main meal times there is always a line to if not out the door, and a line of cars wrapping around the building and into the road. The one in the mall is the same way, only just a huge line of course. When they do special events it's insane, you've never seen so many people at a fast food restaurant, and when they had grand openings people would camp out overnight, if not for multiple days beforehand, just to get the prizes (usually a year of CFA for free for the first so many people in line).

None of that has changed, and it never will, no matter what. CFA is massive here - it always has been and always will be.

 

[njean777]

That's how most locations are all the time where I live (Oklahoma).

Most people here will shrug their shoulders. I used to occasionally go there, but no more until they apologize and reverse their stance.

In other news, I will never be eating at CFA for the rest of my life.

Should stop buying gas also, I mean if you are going to be a crusader, may as well go all the way. Same with all the rest of you. If you use gas or oil you are supporting homosexuals being put to death. Just FYI.

 

[SouthernDragon]

Should stop buying gas also, I mean if you are going to be a crusader, may as well go all the way. Same with all the rest of you. If you use gas or oil you are supporting homosexuals being put to death. Just FYI.

One is a luxury, the other is an unfortunate necessity that permeates almost every aspect of modern life.

 

[njean777]

One is a luxury, the other is an unfortunate necessity that permeates almost every aspect of modern life.

Which you can stop using if you care so much. But you are not going to do that are you?

I'm not saying I approve of chickfila's stance, but I am saying at least they are not putting them to death.