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[Sean]

Why can we not get away from this myth that COD is a big title for Vita?

Regardless of quality, CoD Declassified has the most sales potential out of any currently announced Vita game (with the exception of maybe AC: Liberation). I think everyone would agree with that.

Same reason why they'd carry a smartphone and a 3DS or a smartphone and an iPad. Two devices serving two different functions. There are many who don't use their smartphones as a gaming device.

I don't think there's many people that actually do this. Research Finds That 62% of iPads Never Leave Home

 

[flippedb]

Regardless of quality, CoD Declassified has the most sales potential out of any currently announced Vita game (with the exception of maybe AC: Liberation). I think everyone would agree with that.

Seeing how CoD performed on PSP...ehhm I'm not so sure.

Edit: No, wait, maybe you're right. Thing is I don't expect CoD to sell very well.

 

[jrDev]

AssCreed is not even a bigger brand than RE...

I just see AC L doing worse than RE R on the 3DS...

 

[The Horror the horror]

From a software standpoint, Sony can only blame themselves.

It took them 3 generations to finally put the heavy emphasis on first party development. It wasn't until the dawn of the Playstation 3's release did we repeatedly hear from them about the importance of in-house game development. Had they stressed this priority earlier and forced the development or further cultivation of their first-party portfolio, they'd have the compelling software to back the Vita up already.

 

[Sean]

Seeing how CoD performed on PSP...ehhm I'm not so sure.

Edit: No, wait, maybe you're right. Thing is I don't expect CoD to sell very well.

I agree there, definitely not claiming CoD Vita will sell like hotcakes or anything like that. It'll probably be disappointing in terms of sales and I doubt it will sell many systems.

But it's undeniably the biggest game and franchise on the Vita that we know of. There's a reason Sony has been mentioning CoD Vita at every single conference.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

I don't think there's many people that actually do this. Research Finds That 62% of iPads Never Leave Home

The other 38% of us never go anywhere without it. Most useful thing ever.

 

[flippedb]

AssCreed is not even a bigger brand than RE...

I just see AC L doing worse than RE R on the 3DS...

But I thought Revelaitons did well in Japan.

 

[Conflict NZ]

The other 38% of us never go anywhere without it. Most useful thing ever.

Most useful thing ever that can only do half of what a laptop can do.

 

[GoofsterStud]

There's a reason Sony has been mentioning CoD Vita at every single conference.

There is a reason Sony avoided showing it in action.

 

[Owzers]

TGS seems like the last chance at persuading me into getting a Vita this fall, assuming a good bundle comes out or a great sale. Otherwise i'll get a Wii U

 

[outunderthestars]

The other 38% of us never go anywhere without it. Most useful thing ever.

I now fall into that camp. Since getting my new iPad I find myself using it all the time. I stopped carrying my Vita and ended up selling it this week.

 

[kobashi100]

How well will Madden 13 do on Vita?

 

[Foshy]

How well will Madden 13 do on Vita?

I'd say more or less as well as FIFA Vita, which (going by a certain tracker that is considered unreliable) sold about 300k retail worldwide.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

I'd say more or less as well as FIFA Vita, which (going by a certain tracker that is considered unreliable) sold about 300k retail worldwide.

Madden will be doing all it's sales in the US almost. To put things in perspective, so far no Vita games have passed 300k in the US either, only one game passed 200k and only two passed 100k.

I'd bet money FIFA Vita isn't close to 300k either...

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Most useful thing ever that can only do half of what a laptop can do.

It's not designed to, either. But you know what it can do that my 15" laptop can't? Be the kind of thing you can unobtrusively take anywhere. I have both, I need both, but the iPad is slim, as light as a small book, fits in a small shoulder bag, has a 10 hour+ battery life, a super sharp screen, solid state storage, doesn't need to turn off or on, and is made to go from app to app in a second. Ergonomically, it's way ahead of where laptops are even if you want to bring netbooks into the equation (nobody passes a netbook around a table) - though I'll admit web browsing is still not the greatest. But it's made my laptop my de facto home computer for most situations.

 

[Kazerei]

I'd say more or less as well as FIFA Vita, which (going by a certain tracker that is considered unreliable) sold about 300k retail worldwide.

Chartzzzzz has been proven false

 

[Forever]

I'd say more or less as well as FIFA Vita, which (going by a certain tracker that is considered unreliable) sold about 300k retail worldwide.

You're not allowed to mention those numbers. Just a heads up.

 

[AniHawk]

Chartzzzzz has been proven false

and if it was true, europe would be picking up the slack tremendously. fifa on the vita hasn't broken 80k in the states.

 

[Forever]

What Vita games have actually done 300k anyway?

 

[Skyzard]

Who knows how many did, especially since sony went digital heavy.

 

[nhlducks35]

What Vita games have actually done 300k anyway?

Uncharted and that's about it.

 

[AniHawk]

What Vita games have actually done 300k anyway?

uncharted, definitely. umvc3 may be close. unit 13 may be too.

persona 4 should join the list once it's released in other territories.

 

[Forever]

Who knows how many did, especially since sony went digital heavy.

My understanding is that we don't discuss digital numbers either.

uncharted, definitely. umvc3 may be close. unit 13 may be too.

persona 4 should join the list once it's released in other territories.

Yeah I wouldn't put FIFA up there.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Regardless of quality, CoD Declassified has the most sales potential out of any currently announced Vita game (with the exception of maybe AC: Liberation). I think everyone would agree with that.



I don't think there's many people that actually do this. Research Finds That 62% of iPads Never Leave Home

So that's, what, 25 million iPads leaving homes? I'm sure Sony would love to have half of that number

Spoiler

leaving store shelves

 

[Kazerei]

What Vita games have actually done 300k anyway?

In the U.S., creamsugar hinted at Vita software LTDs up till the end of June.

In Japan, we have software numbers until they fall off the chart. The top 1000 at the end of the year will give us more details.

In Europe, I have no idea.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Mid-year Famitsu 100 gave some idea for some titles too.

59. [PSV] Gravity Rush (SCE) {2012.02.09} - 73,885 / 73,885
66. [PSV] Tales of Innocence R (Namco Bandai Games) {2012.01.26} - 70,780 / 70,780
73. [PSV] Ragnarok Odyssey (GungHo) {2012.02.02} - 64,008 / 64,008
88. [PSV] Mobile Suit Gundam Seed: Battle Destiny (Namco Bandai Games) {2012.06.07} - 51,111 / 51,111
90. [PSV] Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational (SCE) {2011.12.17} - 48,728 / 117,471

Although of these I can't recall which if any have been released internationally beyond GR and HSG.

Missed one:

24. [PSV] Persona 4 Golden (Atlus) {2012.06.14} - 170,568 / 170,568

Actually, I intentionally skipped it as there are more up to date numbers.

Garaph has it at 193,412.

 

[Kazerei]

Ahh, I forgot about the mid-year top 100.

Of those five, only GR and HSG have been released internationally. RO will be released in North America in October though.

 

[Skyzard]

Mid-year Famitsu 100 gave some idea for some titles too.

59. [PSV] Gravity Rush (SCE) {2012.02.09} - 73,885 / 73,885
66. [PSV] Tales of Innocence R (Namco Bandai Games) {2012.01.26} - 70,780 / 70,780
73. [PSV] Ragnarok Odyssey (GungHo) {2012.02.02} - 64,008 / 64,008
88. [PSV] Mobile Suit Gundam Seed: Battle Destiny (Namco Bandai Games) {2012.06.07} - 51,111 / 51,111
90. [PSV] Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational (SCE) {2011.12.17} - 48,728 / 117,471

Although of these I can't recall which if any have been released internationally beyond GR and HSG.

Missed one:

24. [PSV] Persona 4 Golden (Atlus) {2012.06.14} - 170,568 / 170,568

Still not out in west.

And these are retail only?

Btw GR was only out for 2 weeks everywhere else when these were taken. As was Persona in Japan by the looks of things. Are these worldwide figures btw?

 

[Kazerei]

Famitsu covers retail in Japan only.

 

[Skyzard]

Ah thanks, was curious. I thought they may have been since:

Although of these I can't recall which if any have been released internationally beyond GR and HSG.

 

[electroplankton]

Pretty bad sales for Vita software, indeed. But with such hardware numbers, you cannot do more.

 

[Skyzard]

I don't know with the right title like Persona, seems like they aren't too bad on getting a nice chunk of the vita userbase, especially since persona was only out for 2 weeks at the time. Not sure how much Sony have been pressing digital in Japan but I'd imagine just as strong as here. Can't really tell what kind of numbers a decent title would get. Nor these digital only titles. Doesn't worry me much. Like you said, it seems reasonable for the userbase and other considerations I mentioned.

I hope everyone bought hotshots digitally in japan, great game, deserves much higher numbers. The psn sales hopefully done some wonders for it in europe (and america? not sure if you guys got decent sales yet).

 

[electroplankton]

I don't know with the right title like Persona, seems like they aren't too bad on getting a nice chunk of the vita userbase, especially since persona was only out for 2 weeks at the time. Not sure how much Sony have been pressing digital in Japan but I'd imagine just as strong as here. Can't really tell what kind of numbers a decent title would get. Nor these digital only titles. Doesn't worry me much. Like you said, it seems reasonable for the userbase and other considerations I mentioned.

I hope everyone bought hotshots digitally in japan, great game, deserves much higher numbers. The psn sales hopefully done some wonders for it in europe (and america? not sure if you guys got decent sales yet).

Even if many people had bought Minna no Golf digitally in Japan, numbers would have been pretty horrible for the series. Persona 4 did nicely, indeed, but I can just see a stand-alone case (like Blue Dragon on 360, for example... The increase in hardware was the same as well!).

 

[Skyzard]

Yeah it seems only the biggest retail titles will survive at the moment. As well as relatively much smaller games like sound shapes and super stardust/ motorstorm rc.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

I'd say more or less as well as FIFA Vita, which (going by a certain tracker that is considered unreliable) sold about 300k retail worldwide.

It's not that they are considered unreliable.

It's that we know they guess. No methodology, and the second NPD numbers are released they alter their figures to align. Usually altering them on the orders of tens of thousands.

 

[Skyzard]

Fifa is pretty huge in Europe. I'm positive it was the biggest system seller here. It did well enough to get a sequel.

 

[electroplankton]

Fifa is pretty huge in Europe. I'm positive it was the biggest system seller here. It did well enough to get a sequel.

It's not that Fifa 13 is a sequel, and EA just puts Fifa wherever it can.

 

[Skyzard]

That is true, but I'm telling you, it's huge.
This are weekly sales rankings in uk, fifa was released a month earlier on vita.

March 5th, 2012 Posted in 3DS, DS, News, Posted by Valay, Wii
Individual formats

- 1 SSX XB360 EA SPORTS ELECTRONIC ARTS
- 2 SSX PS3 EA SPORTS ELECTRONIC ARTS
- 3 MARIO PARTY 9 WII NINTENDO NINTENDO
1 4 UNCHARTED: GOLDEN ABYSS VITA SONY COMPUTER ENT. SONY COMPUTER ENT.
2 5 FIFA FOOTBALL VITA EA SPORTS ELECTRONIC ARTS
9 6 FIFA 12 XB360 EA SPORTS ELECTRONIC ARTS
16 7 UNCHARTED 3: DRAKE’S DECEPTION PS3 SONY COMPUTER ENT. SONY COMPUTER ENT.
7 8 MARIO & SONIC LONDON 2012 OLYMPIC GAMES WII SEGA SEGA
3 9 UFC UNDISPUTED 3 XB360 THQ THQ
20 10 ZUMBA FITNESS WII 505 GAMES 505 GAMES
13 11 SUPER MARIO 3D LAND 3DS NINTENDO NINTENDO
21 12 FIFA 12 PS3 EA SPORTS ELECTRONIC ARTS
14 13 JUST DANCE 3 WII UBISOFT UBISOFT
17 14 FORZA MOTORSPORT 4 XB360 MICROSOFT MICROSOFT

 

[s_mirage]

Fifa is pretty huge in Europe. I'm positive it was the biggest system seller here. It did well enough to get a sequel.

Huge yes, but a system seller? It's out on everything, why would it do much to sell the Vita specifically?

 

[Skyzard]

Yes easily since fifa is basically all anyone plays here.

It was a pretty faithful version to the recent console versions which have been great too and ridiculously popular, not surprised. I actually watched 2 people buy a vita (brothers I think) just for fifa when I went to a retail store for the first time in ages the other day. It's basically all anyone played on ps3 in europe. That and maybe GTA.

=-=-

Some world-wide figures from the UK play magazine earlier in the year:

http://thesilentchief.com/2012/06/03/ps-vita-sales-of-uncharted-golden-abyss-tops-500k-worldwide/

•Uncharted: Golden Abyss -530k
&#8226;Hot Shots Golf: World Invitation -200k <-= glad to see this did a bit better outside of japan
&#8226;Wipeout 2048 -100k
&#8226;Unit 13 -100k
&#8226;Lumines -40k
&#8226;Mod Nation Racers -40k

They all sell at pretty high prices too.

Does MS publish any digital sales numbers btw? Does it offer full xbox360 games digitally like ps3 does?

 

[Roo]

Most useful thing ever that can only do half of what a laptop can do.

seriosuly???
dear god...

 

[michaelius]

and if it was true, europe would be picking up the slack tremendously. fifa on the vita hasn't broken 80k in the states.

That's about as suprising as game about handegg or hockey selling better in USA than in EU.

 

[AniHawk]

That's about as suprising as game about handegg or hockey selling better in USA than in EU.

soccer games do sell a lot better in other, that's true, but i think doing 200k minimum over there is incredibly unlikely.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Some world-wide figures from the UK play magazine earlier in the year:

They don't cite tracker(s) i.e. NPD, Media Create, Famitsu, Gfk-ChartTrack.

So I'm going to assume chartzzzzzz.

 

[AniHawk]

They don't cite tracker(s) i.e. NPD, Media Create, Famitsu, Gfk-ChartTrack.

So I'm going to assume chartzzzzzz.

might be the case. uncharted is at about 315k between the us and japan though, so it's possible it could have sold about 225k in europe without it being a totally crazy number.

 

[grimshawish]

Fifa Vita is not a system seller, no one will pay that amount for a Vita just for Fifa, especially if their not going to play online with their friends etc.

This is not the PSP launch any more, customers learnt with that console that what they thought they wanted in a handheld (console experiences) wasn't what they actually wanted, and the system died.


Fifa is not a system seller, people just always buy Fifa on the system they own. If there was a 'superior' console version, then sure I could see a lot of Fifa fans getting behind that console. Fifa Vita is however not the best version, no where near it.


Remember too that Football games fans are the most demanding and strong willed group in video games; they know what they want and can feel/see quality just by playing a single game. They follow the news on football games and keep knowledgeable.

Vita does not offer the best football simulator. It is not a system seller.


Anyway, the UK market is dead, games only sell with massive legs there - and unlike the Mario games, the COD games and a few others - no Vita game has bounced up in the chart or appeared again and again and again.

 

[kobashi100]

Fifa Vita is not a system seller, no one will pay that amount for a Vita just for Fifa, especially if their not going to play online with their friends etc.

This is not the PSP launch any more, customers learnt with that console that what they thought they wanted in a handheld (console experiences) wasn't what they actually wanted, and the system died.


Fifa is not a system seller, people just always buy Fifa on the system they own. If there was a 'superior' console version, then sure I could see a lot of Fifa fans getting behind that console. Fifa Vita is however not the best version, no where near it.


Remember too that Football games fans are the most demanding and strong willed group in video games; they know what they want and can feel/see quality just by playing a single game. They follow the news on football games and keep knowledgeable.

Vita does not offer the best football simulator. It is not a system seller.

This pretty much sums it up.

 

[BriBri]

The only thing worse in the world than being talked about is not being talked about.

The Sun gave front page headlines to how damaging the 3D effect is. Few people even know the Vita exists.

 

[AdventureRacing]

AssCreed is not even a bigger brand than RE...

I just see AC L doing worse than RE R on the 3DS...

Is this actually true anymore? I don't know about 'brand' but the AC games are clearly bigger sellers than the RE games.

 

[pixelbox]

Fifa Vita is not a system seller, no one will pay that amount for a Vita just for Fifa, especially if their not going to play online with their friends etc.

This is not the PSP launch any more, customers learnt with that console that what they thought they wanted in a handheld (console experiences) wasn't what they actually wanted, and the system died.


Fifa is not a system seller, people just always buy Fifa on the system they own. If there was a 'superior' console version, then sure I could see a lot of Fifa fans getting behind that console. Fifa Vita is however not the best version, no where near it.


Remember too that Football games fans are the most demanding and strong willed group in video games; they know what they want and can feel/see quality just by playing a single game. They follow the news on football games and keep knowledgeable.

Vita does not offer the best football simulator. It is not a system seller.


Anyway, the UK market is dead, games only sell with massive legs there - and unlike the Mario games, the COD games and a few others - no Vita game has bounced up in the chart or appeared again and again and again.

Correction, no one wanted a watered-down, gimpped one analog version for nearly full price of their superior counterpart. There needs to be a sort of eco-system of games before titles as a whole to sell. Since Vita doesn't have Mario, it needs to have everything else plus new experiences. People will take the plunge if they know there's more types of games to be offered.