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[LuchaShaq]

Honestly this thread is just another in a long line of examples.

DON'T IMMEDIATELY DOWNLOAD NEW FIRMWARE.

Wait until the internet finds out what they fucked up with it and then go from there.

 

[Saint Gregory]

It doesn't seem possible that Sony didn't know that some users were going to lose data after this update so what did they have to gain by not giving those users fair warning about this issue prior to the update?

 

[plufim]

R_thanatos, in the movie office space, when Milton stops getting paid, you're meant to sympathize with him, not the guys who "fixed the glitch".

People are being dicked over and Sony isn't your friend.

 

[Aeana]

Honestly this thread is just another in a long line of examples.

DON'T IMMEDIATELY DOWNLOAD NEW FIRMWARE.

Wait until the internet finds out what they fucked up with it and then go from there.

I rarely do, except I've been waiting for PSX games so I downloaded it right away this time.

 

[sakipon]

DON'T IMMEDIATELY DOWNLOAD NEW FIRMWARE.

The poison was hidden in such a sweet gift of PS1 support. Sony knows how these things are done.

 

[Hanmik]

Will the Vita not see the content and allow you to copy it if you wipe the main system memory with the card out and set it to whatever japanese account its all attached to?

hmm... this should be possible.. unless Sony also has added the "format memory card" screen to the "Restore PS Vita system" function.. which they probably have..

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

R_thanatos, in the movie office space, when Milton stops getting paid, you're meant to sympathize with him, not the guys who "fixed the glitch".

People are being dicked over and Sony isn't your friend.

Why would you let any major corporation be your "friend"? I think that was his point the writing was on the wall that Sony was going to "fix the glitch" so beware and use at your own risk.

 

[sajj316]

The poison was hidden in such a sweet gift of PS1 support. Sony knows how these things are done.

I was thinking the same thing. PS1 support being the Trojan horse.

Anyway, I do hope that Sony would be kind enough to update the Content Manager so users can at least copy saved data to the PC for backup and restore on another memory card. I don't know what the effort required for that is but with enough uproar, they'll at least think about it.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

This lock makes no sense and gives the hackers reasons to make custom firmware. They really deserve what they are getting.

Maybe it makes no sense to you. And you are really looking forward to a potential hack of the Vita, so that all PS Vita users and devs are screwed? Well, seems like you will have to wait forever. I don't think the Vita will be hacked.

 

[R_thanatos]

R_thanatos, in the movie office space, when Milton stops getting paid, you're meant to sympathize with him, not the guys who "fixed the glitch".

People are being dicked over and Sony isn't your friend.

Sony isn't my friend .. i saw this move coming from a mile away ..and i planned my next moves accordingly ..the number of thing you had to do was too numerous for it to be something sony left on purpose.

Anyone who say otherwise never tried to create/design an interface for a device.

Also when you import as much as i do , i'm prepared to pay a little more for my hobby of importing .. that's why i set my content on 2 different cards ( one by region ) .Sony wording was crystal clear

 

[Raoh]

Reminds me of a Microsoft Exchange Server glitch we had at work.

Exchange Server 2003 was supposed to purge opened/read emails after 30 days. If a user marked the file as unread it would reset the 30 day purge policy.

Uses were marking stuff as unread instead of properly filing their important emails.

Now that we moved on to exchange server 2010, we made sure that it could no longer be marked as read and reset. You can still mark as read but the 30 day purge count remains.

This seems similar, a feature that was supposed to work one way might have been overlooked or wasn't working as expected and finally got fixed.

As for different region accounts. Isn't each region a different account? Sony doens't support global accounts, this is why open region games on ps3 were so important, you didn't need a different system and overlooked your account.

 

[Aeana]

Sony isn't my friend .. i saw this move coming from a mile away ..and i planned my next moves accordingly ..the number of thing you had to do was too numerous for it to be something sony left on purpose.

Anyone who say otherwise never tried to create/design an interface for a device.

Also when you import as much as i do , i'm prepared to pay a little more for my hobby of importing .. that's why i set my content on 2 different cards ( one by region ) .Sony wording was crystal clear

"Too numerous"? I just explained that the only thing you had to do was say "no" to a prompt. What are you talking about?

 

[Castor Krieg]

Honestly this thread is just another in a long line of examples.

DON'T IMMEDIATELY DOWNLOAD NEW FIRMWARE.

Wait until the internet finds out what they fucked up with it and then go from there.

What are you on about? There is no CFW for Vita, this is still a long way off. Not to mention this OFW introduced PSOne support.

 

[pompidu]

People were praising this thing before it came out. It was on the right path to success. And they fucked up almost every single thing about this thing. Train wreck

 

[Dead Prince]

To sell more memory cards.

Wouldn't they want to try to sell vita first

 

[EvilDick34]

Wouldn't they want to try to sell vita first

I might be tinfoil here but i am willing to bet that Memory cards make more money for Sony then the Vita does at this point.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Can't say I'm surprised but this doesn't affect me at all.

 

[pieatorium]

"Too numerous"? I just explained that the only thing you had to do was say "no" to a prompt. What are you talking about?

Dont you have to reset your vita and all your settings to change accounts?

 

[Aeana]

Dont you have to reset your vita and all your settings to change accounts?

But you can still do that, even after this update. That part has not changed. What's changed is that now you need more than one memory card. Unless R_Thanatos bought two Vitas, then he isn't prepared for whatever inevitability he's talking about.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

People were praising this thing before it came out. It was on the right path to success. And they fucked up almost every single thing about this thing. Train wreck

Listing what "almost every single thing" is would at least be minimally constructive, but instead you are just making an exaggerated, absurd doom and gloom post. Yes, this is obviously a Vita thread.

 

[EvilDick34]

Listing what "almost every single thing" is would at least be minimally constructive, but instead you are just making an exaggerated, absurd doom and gloom post. Yes, this is obviously a Vita thread.

Why are you trying so hard to defend the Vita and discredit anyone who is unhappy about this? I use multiple accounts on my PS3 and was going to do the same with the Vita when i bought it, now i won't unless Sony backtracks.

 

[Hanmik]

But you can still do that, even after this update. That part has not changed. What's changed is that now you need more than one memory card. Unless R_Thanatos bought two Vitas, then he isn't prepared for whatever inevitability he's talking about.

but what happens now if you "Restore the PS Vita system"..? wouldn´t that leave you with a blank new PsVita..? and then you enter your japanese (or whatever) account details and insert the card,.,?
Would it not recognize your card that way..? or is there something else preventing this..?

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Sony isn't my friend .. i saw this move coming from a mile away ..and i planned my next moves accordingly ..the number of thing you had to do was too numerous for it to be something sony left on purpose.

Anyone who say otherwise never tried to create/design an interface for a device.

Also when you import as much as i do , i'm prepared to pay a little more for my hobby of importing .. that's why i set my content on 2 different cards ( one by region ) .Sony wording was crystal clear

How does this move benefit even Sony though?

The thing has barely shifted 2.5 million units and now they're telling all future customers that they'll have to buy two expensive memory cards just to make it truly region free. Not to mention just effectively erasing the user data of hundreds, if not thousands, of your loyal launch window customers. Just a baffling move from a PR perspective.

 

[pwack]

So for people without a ps3, how hard is it to switch to the EU region to download games? I'll need a new memory card. What about an EU billing address? Do I need to factory reset the vita?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Sony hates your money.

Yup!

 

[softie]

but what happens now if you "Restore the PS Vita system"..? wouldn´t that leave you with a blank new PsVita..? and then you enter your japanese (or whatever) account details and insert the card,.,?
Would it not recognize your card that way..? or is there something else preventing this..?

There's account info stored inside the Vita memcard. In older versions this account info wasn't really checked, so you could have used one memcard with content of various accounts. Now this account data is checked and prevents you from using one memcard on another account not matching those account info stored inside the memcard.

 

[Aeana]

There's account info stored inside the Vita memcard. In older versions this account info wasn't really checked, so you could have used one memcard with content of various accounts. Now this account data is checked and prevents you from using one memcard on another account not matching those account info stored inside the memcard.

That's not true, it was still checked. When you tried to put the memory card in a Vita assocaited with another account. As advertised all along. They simply let you have multiple accounts associated with one physical memory card.

but what happens now if you "Restore the PS Vita system"..? wouldn´t that leave you with a blank new PsVita..? and then you enter your japanese (or whatever) account details and insert the card,.,?
Would it not recognize your card that way..? or is there something else preventing this..?

I'm not sure what would happen. I'll give it a try later.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Why are you trying so hard to defend the Vita and discredit anyone who is unhappy about this? I use multiple accounts on my PS3 and was going to do the same with the Vita when i bought it, now i won't unless Sony backtracks.

I don't like it when people make statements which they can not back up. It is one thing to be unhappy of this certain situation, although it was quite clear from the beginning, that this way of using the memory card was never officially supported, but it is just not helpful at all to come in here, and rant about the PS Vita being a "train wreck" and how they "fucked up almost every thing" without stating what exactly that is.

 

[Dead Prince]

I might be tinfoil here but i am willing to bet that Memory cards make more money for Sony then the Vita does at this point.

Sony to drop out the handheld race and just sell accessories.

 

[ghst]

any of you guys ever seen "the producers"?

 

[Hanmik]

There's account info stored inside the Vita memcard. In older versions this account info wasn't really checked, so you could have used one memcard with content of various accounts. Now this account data is checked and prevents you from using one memcard on another account not matching those account info stored inside the memcard.

I see that.. but if there are different accounts on the memory card, how does the PsVita system define which one to use..? the first one it finds..? the one you used when you updated to 1.80..? or how..?

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I don't like it when people make statements which they can not back up. It is one thing to be unhappy of this certain situation, although it was quite clear from the beginning, that this way of using the memory card was never officially supported, but it is just not helpful at all to come in here, and rant about the PS Vita being a "train wreck" and how they "fucked up almost every thing" without stating what exactly that is.

Yes. Lots of that going on here. Not that some if it isn't warranted but it's a litle over the top.

 

[R_thanatos]

"Too numerous"? I just explained that the only thing you had to do was say "no" to a prompt. What are you talking about?

It nowhere near as painless as the ps3 and way to similar as the psp in terms of content protection

Dont you have to reset your vita and all your settings to change accounts?

Thats why buying 2 vita not necessary since youre still forced to wipe everything when you want to changr regions
There is nothing to suggest that sony will change their system more since this is just a correction

but what happens now if you "Restore the PS Vita system"..? wouldn´t that leave you with a blank new PsVita..? and then you enter your japanese (or whatever) account details and insert the card,.,?
Would it not recognize your card that way..? or is there something else preventing this..?

nothing to prevent this.
Thats how it works

 

[softie]

That's not true, it was still checked. When you tried to put the memory card in a Vita assocaited with another account. As advertised all along. They simply let you have multiple accounts associated with one physical memory card.



I'm not sure what would happen. I'll give it a try later.

Well "checked" in the meaning of "validated". Content of other accs were still valid on older versions, whereas now they're not as it seems.

 

[EvilDick34]

I don't like it when people make statements which they can not back up. It is one thing to be unhappy of this certain situation, although it was quite clear from the beginning, that this way of using the memory card was never officially supported, but it is just not helpful at all to come in here, and rant about the PS Vita being a "train wreck" and how they "fucked up almost every thing" without stating what exactly that is.

Well, the Vita is a trainwreck whether you like it or not right now. That is pretty much a given at this point and a lot of people are not happy about that. And this latest deal with Memory cards is just another blow.

 

[Giant Panda]

This sucks but didn't Sony say at launch it was supposed to be this way? IIRC the writing has been on the wall.

 

[softie]

I see that.. but if there are different accounts on the memory card, how does the PsVita system define which one to use..? the first one it finds..? the one you used when you updated to 1.80..? or how..?

Well now when switching accounts the system checks, if there is another account info stored inside the memcard. If that's so, it forces you to wipe the memcard. In older versions it would be done like this:

Account A is on Vita + infos of acc. A on memcard
--> Reset Vita and switch from acc. A to acc. B
--> Don't format memcard and overwrite infos of acc. A with infos of acc. B
--> everything is fine

Now it is like this:

Account A is on Vita + infos of acc. A on memcard
--> Reset Vita and switch from acc. A to acc. B
--> Don't format memcard and try to overwrite infos of acc. A with infos of acc. B
--> system says "F*CK NO!" and forces you to wipe memcard to save infos of acc. B

 

[Vitacat]

Well, the Vita is a trainwreck whether you like it or not right now. That is pretty much a given at this point and a lot of people are not happy about that. And this latest deal with Memory cards is just another blow.

Eh... still the best handheld game system I ever owned.

Not saying Sony deserves a break for the stupidity they spew, but the Vita itself is amazing, and it does have some great games and more coming. I still believe. Mostly.

 

[pompidu]

Listing what "almost every single thing" is would at least be minimally constructive, but instead you are just making an exaggerated, absurd doom and gloom post. Yes, this is obviously a Vita thread.

1. Expensive memory cards
2. Lack of vita games
3. Lack of ps1 games promised awhile ago
4. Shitty camera
5. No memory card when you buy it
6. This clusterfuck
I want a vita but there has been no reason to buy one yet.

 

[Eusis]

Honestly this thread is just another in a long line of examples.

DON'T IMMEDIATELY DOWNLOAD NEW FIRMWARE.

Wait until the internet finds out what they fucked up with it and then go from there.

I wonder if that'd have done any good? Maybe you could use the internet blocker hack on Content Manager to back up the other account stuff, then safely update and switch over, but maybe it won't see that stuff on the other account anyway. They seriously should've given at least a day's warning for everyone that was using their cards that way to get everything in order and prepared for the change.

 

[jaxpunk]

Well, the Vita is a trainwreck whether you like it or not right now. That is pretty much a given at this point and a lot of people are not happy about that. And this latest deal with Memory cards is just another blow.

This right here boys, a feature that one could argue was used by a minority is the breaking point for this internet jockey. I'd just hang it up and throw away your vitas, games over man.

 

[ari]

Who is running this gaming division? And why is it going in the ground?

Eh... still the best handheld game system I ever owned.

Not saying Sony deserves a break for the stupidity they spew, but the Vita itself is amazing, and it does have some great games and more coming. I still believe. Mostly.

You never owned a game boy or a ds lite? That is how handhelds are done. I don't see how people could say that the vita is the best handy they ever owned when there isn't a reason to own one.

 

[Hanmik]

This right here boys, a feature that one could argue was used by a minority is the breaking point for this internet jockey. I'd just hang it up and throw away your vitas, games over man.

I just phoned my wife and told her to throw my Vita in the washing machine.. she asked me "WHY..?".. I said "An evil dick told me it was carbage".. so she threw it in the washing machine..

 

[demigod]

This sucks but didn't Sony say at launch it was supposed to be this way? IIRC the writing has been on the wall.

Yup, people didn't heed the warnings and got screwed. Only thing you can blame is SCEA not telling people about it before they update the firmware.

1. Expensive memory cards
2. Lack of vita games
3. Lack of ps1 games promised awhile ago
4. Shitty camera
5. No memory card when you buy it
6. This clusterfuck
I want a vita but there has been no reason to buy one yet.

Plenty of Vita games and ps1 games as long as you have a PS3. You can get the Madden Bundle at Best Buy that comes with a $50 giftcard, get a better memory card with that money then a 4gb. No excuses now!

 

[pwack]

Amazon.com has a lightning deal on 4gb memory cards for $10. Deal ends at 9 central. Actually laughed out loud.

 

[we.are.the.armada]

Can anybody explain to me how this helps Sony?

Even if this decision is made for the benefit of rate conversion and/or IP exposure, they are seriously underestimating their customer's motives for owning a Vita in the first place. If you cut off market accessibility, people aren't just going to start buying in your forced parameter, they are going to just stop using your product.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

ha. As if i needed a excuse to not to bother to fix my vita.


Sony can fuck right off.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

any of you guys ever seen "the producers"?

Springtime for Vita?

 

[ari]

People are still defending Sony on the handheld front? Even with locking memory cards for no reason? What would it take?

If they did this for hacking prevention, that's fucking dumb. I would argue that they should embrace CFW at this point.

 

[pieatorium]

Can anybody explain to me how this helps Sony?

Even if this decision is made for the benefit of rate conversion and/or IP exposure, they are seriously underestimating their customer's motives for owning a Vita in the first place. If you cut off market accessibility, people aren't just going to start buying in your forced parameter, they are going to just stop using your product.

How does any region locking help anyone? Oh right overcharging everyone outside of the US.