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Wii U Thread - Now in HD!

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schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
Iwata said that he is aware of some unannounced third-party games that are planned to be revealed at Nintendo's September conference. I hope their from the likes of Capcom and other Japanese third-parties.

Where is this from?
 

D-e-f-

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I did, I read of fools talking of video coms in a negative light for no real reason, seemed odd, hey ho.

zero need for name calling here.

Why would they create an article "designed to downplay and discourage enthusiasm for the console" when a new console cycle would mean a surge in enthusiasm for gamers across the board?

In my opinion, this always seems to me like some of those people feel genuinely bothered by Nintendo's way of doing things. Their disruptive, outside the norm nature of creating hardware or games seems to annoy some people. That how it appears to me quite often. Obviously, sometimes they're right and the Big N is really making silly decisions but those find themselves in good company with just as much BS from the other companies.

I ranted about this a while ago but I feel they might feel threatend in their gaming-comfort-zone. It's different so it sucks, basically. Nintendo is not into glossy high-end tech porn so they "make toys for babies which is stupid 'cause I'm old so screw them!" ...
 

DrNeroCF

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Rösti;41585945 said:
If we are talking about utilizing compute shaders on Direct3D 10 compliant hardware (which the Wii U GPU has been described as now and then), it's really nothing interesting in my opinion. The differences between compute shader use between D3D 10 and D3D 11 are quite magnificent, especially considering atomic instructions are available to D3D 11, as well as some other interesting features. That's shader model 5.0 though, and I haven't seen anything written about Wii U's compatibility with that, only 4.0.

What about OpenCL, though? How were the compute units being accessed in the 4xxx series ATI cards, before DirectX and long before OpenGL had access to them?
 

Kacho

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I don't think there is any anti-Nintendo conspiracy, but I think you would have to be pretty ignorant to think that generally the big videogame enthusiast websites and magazines are not particularly big Nintendo fans and that filters into their coverage.

Oh they certainly aren't. I can remember getting mad at Game Informer when they covered the Gamecube at E3 before it was released. They were shitting all over Nintendo for not having online, the console looking like a toy, games not being particularly impressive, etc. It was sickening to me at the time. Now it's so common I don't even bat an eye.
 
RE: Pachter on Nintendo being lucky with the Wii. He may have worded it abrasively, but he's not entirely incorrect.

Part of the Wii's success can probably be attributed to serendipitous good fortune. I really don't think Nintendo expected it to be as successful as it was (at least earlier in the gen), nor do I think they'll be able to emulate that success easily.

I have yet to see a tablet in real life.
Curious.. where do you live...? It's extremely pervasive technology now.
 

Sadist

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"Nintendo just thinks they understand everybody better, thinks they understand the consumers better than everybody else,"
Hey guys, call me crazy but I have this weird idea that Sony and Microsoft might think the same way when they introduce their new machines. Come on Pachter. Every company wants to sell its products and wants to convince the masses that they know what consumers want.

Horrible stuff here.
 

D-e-f-

Banned
Where is this from?

Iwata said either in some post-E3 interview or in the investor thing from June that further support would be announced later in the year.

The fall conference thing is something that seemingly got added while it's made its rounds through the grapevine. His original remark was very general and had no specific mention of third party titles or any specific "fall conference".

So Nintendo are the biggect gaming co. in the world because no gamers like them?

Because parents buy their kids Game Boys and DS's and The Pokemanz.
 

Roo

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But... Skype is on a lot of phones and tablets. i already have two devices I can use for that. It's a neat add-on but it's not exactly a selling point.

Actually, it is.
maybe not for men between 15-30yo
but it definitely can drive sales on kids, soccer moms and grandparents that are not
into Skype, tablets or smartphones by themselves but watching such feature on a Nintendo
console can convince them. "Oh, wow, my grandma is playing Wii Cook U. I'm gonna say Hi" -
"I'm playing Wii Fit U, oh I forgot that ingredient for dinner. Thank God my mom is playing with her Wii U too, I'm gonna talk to her"

Silly examples but you get the idea and Nintendo will use that in their favor.
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
Iwata said either in some post-E3 interview or in the investor thing from June that further support would be announced later in the year.
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Yes, I remember that tweet- he specifically said Japanese third party support would be unveiled at a later date.
 

BY2K

Membero Americo
"Their strategy is 'We got lucky with the Wii, so if we just try something different, we'll get lucky again. In their vocabulary, the word 'lucky' doesn't exist-substitute 'brilliant.' Unfortunately I don't think it looks brilliant. Nintendo just thinks they understand everybody better, thinks they understand the consumers better than everybody else and they're going to keep doing it till somebody decides to make a change at the top." - Michael Pachter

Did I miss something? I know Pachter never was a big Nintendo supporter but goddamn, he sounds bitter as hell. Did Reggie flip him the bird or something?
 

D-e-f-

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Curious.. where do you live...? It's extremely pervasive technology now.

Germany. And I study media at a Tech University^^

I might have been in the same room with a tablet before but we were not formally introduced. By "not seen one in real life" I meant up-close and not in a store.
 
Is this a proper story printed in the magazine or a user blog? Honestly, this reads like someone's blog who writers about games for fun and clearly knew they didn't like Nintendo or Wii U before writing that.

It's pretty off-putting to think that if you have a job in the gaming press, you take that job seriously and take pride in what you writer and care about well-researched opinion pieces or collecting facts or not trying to subversively influence the reader's opinion (see: overemphasis of the GamePad screen's "SD"-ness ; generally dismissive, arrogant tone).

Excuse the whining and ranting but this really sickens me. Why do this? Why write a story like this? Of course everything is not awesome and if something sucks or doesn't do what it's supposed to you tell it like it is but these kinds of articles are just unacceptable. I would not let that be published. Not because I'm a fanboy but because that's just a horrible article.

This is the kind of thing you write and present arguments that fall both on the negative and positive side, impressions and opinions from different people who know what they're talking about and then you close it off with your personal take on the situation.

I have not read the whole thing, I'm basing all this on the choice quotes provided by Agent Unknown but from that it reads like the writer had a clear agenda or felt it necessary to "inform" readers that nearly everything the Wii U does, it does badly. That's how it comes across to me.
That was in the magazine. And I don't think he edited that much out, if anything. It was a pretty terribly written article.
 

D-e-f-

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The actual magazine. Not a blog. Sad, isn't it?

Is that bit online? Or could you maybe scan it? I'd love to read the whole thing so as not to rant about something without having read everything in context.

Man, I had an international EGM subscription (yay for extra expensive subs ...) for a year. I actually really liked the magazine back then (Q3 2010-Q3 2011). ...
 

NateDrake

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"Their strategy is 'We got lucky with the Wii, so if we just try something different, we'll get lucky again. In their vocabulary, the word 'lucky' doesn't exist-substitute 'brilliant.' Unfortunately I don't think it looks brilliant. Nintendo just thinks they understand everybody better, thinks they understand the consumers better than everybody else and they're going to keep doing it till somebody decides to make a change at the top." - Michael Pachter

I highly doubt this is Nintendo's line of thinking. Guess Nintendo should follow Pachter's example and just follow the crowd and never innovate or offer new ideas because the people don't want them.
 

Sadist

Member
Did I miss something? I know Pachter never was a big Nintendo supporter but goddamn, he sounds bitter as hell. Did Reggie flip him the bird or something?
I'll repeat it for second time ^_^

Pachter: Nntenod pls gib me info abou Wiiu
Nintendo: Patcher pls
Pachter: Nntenod why u so mean
Nintendo: Patcher we don't care you jst cant get stuff cuzz we like that way
Pachter: Fugg yu Reggie
Nintendo: Thank you cum agian
 

Jacobi

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Is that bit online? Or could you maybe scan it? I'd love to read the whole thing so as not to rant about something without having read everything in context.

Man, I had an international EGM subscription (yay for extra expensive subs ...) for a year. I actually really liked the magazine back then (Q3 2010-Q3 2011). ...
You can read the digital magazine online (don't know where) or on ipad for free, I don't know if that article is in there though
 
I highly doubt this is Nintendo's line of thinking. Guess Nintendo should follow Pachter's example and just follow the crowd and never innovate or offer new ideas because the people don't want them.

That's not what Pachter does. It's nothing so directed. He's just a ruthless, unstoppable moron. And must be ignored at all costs.
 

big_erk

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So Nintendo are the biggect gaming co. in the world because no gamers like them?

The problem is a lot of these people don't like Nintendo because Nintendo does what they as a company think is best for them and the industry instead of what the fanboys think is best.
 

The Boat

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I agree with you on the article being written by someone with a bone to pick, but what would any publication have to benefit from "cheerleading Sony and MS" and shitting on Nintendo? I don't get it.

Why would they create an article "designed to downplay and discourage enthusiasm for the console" when a new console cycle would mean a surge in enthusiasm for gamers across the board?
Writers and editors are people too and as such they can be biased. That's pretty much it. Considering that most videogame journalists are likely the kind of guys that see themselves as "hardcore" it's not surprising Nintendo gets very bad coverage. Doesn't mean it's a conspiracy.

RE: Pachter on Nintendo being lucky with the Wii. He may have worded it abrasively, but he's not entirely incorrect.

Part of the Wii's success can probably be attributed to serendipitous good fortune. I really don't think Nintendo expected it to be as successful as it was (at least earlier in the gen), nor do I think they'll be able to emulate that success easily.
Luck is involved in everything, you can't discard risk taking coupled with good business decisions just because they had a measure of good luck. That's what Pachter did.
 

D-e-f-

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don't ask for scans.

Sorry, didn't think about that.

Though technically, I asked whether or not he was able to :D

I do not encourage publishing copyrighted material on the internet.

1291131680_two-thumbssbpw8.jpg
 

japtor

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That wheel pad needs a table mount to be useful.

...and analog triggers.
Have there been any rumors about Most Wanted on the Wii U? I know that Criterion started hiring people for new platforms around a year ago. Some speculated that it was about the Vita, but they eventually put up another job opening and specifically mentioned the Vita. Black Ops 2 is basically a lock for the system at this point and MW was the only other multiplatform game that I was hoping to see announced at E3.
Someone mentioned a Criterion person having Wii U on their LinkedIn profile a little while back I think.
I don't think so. Wii didn't have the feature of playing Gamecube games with Pro Controller or Wiimote, so I don't think that Wii games will be compatible with WiiU Gamepad, you will still need the necessary controllers.

It would be nice if the ProController could be emulated using the Wii U Gamepad.

So, let's just wait for more information about that.
Well they got DS games to use the analog stick on the 3DS so there's a little hope there.
 

BY2K

Membero Americo
All I'm gonna need is a screen protector for the Wii U GamePad, really.

And I already have a charge station for Wiimotes.
 
Well they got DS games to use the analog stick on the 3DS so there's a little hope there.

Yeah the Gamecube thing was pure laziness on their part. Unless for some reason the hardware Gamecube emulation meant it wouldn't understand Bluetooth signals and only the Gamecube controllers, I don't get why it wouldn't work. Assuming they utilise software emulation for the WiiU, and assuming the Wii U controller works via Bluetooth, I don't see why the WiiPad couldn't be interpreted as say, a classic controller.

I mean, in an ideal world you could map the Wiimote to the gyrometer, and all the other buttons from the Wiimote to selected buttons on the Gamepad. Or hell, even certain motions to buttons so games where motion control seemed tacked on (Hello Bully/Okami). But I doubt Nintendo would be that kind! But with games like Xenoblade or Smash Bros, there should be no issue with using the Wii U Pad, surely.
 
Looking back at the last 5-6 years I can’t help but think that Iwata was justified in NCL’s decision to low ball the Wii techwise. Looking at all the studio closures in the last 3-4 years, how many were decent supporters of the Wii opposed to those that went full PS3/360/PC? Not that there are no success stories in that demographic of developers,; nor that mismanagement (and other contributing factors) didn’t play a role in the demise of those studios that tanked. A lot of those companies that wrote Wii off either don’t exist anymore or are a mere shadow of their former selves. In Japan, were most developers dropped the ball during this early HD era and never fully took to the high-end visuals. However, there seemed to be far less studio closures and consolidations. Llooking at the top selling titles in Japan, it’s evident that style, fun and gameplay are still the main driving factors (well that and a Shonen Jump , Baseball or Gundam license) for success. Which is something that is mirrored in the west with Indie games. So I’d hope that the WiiU will have some strong Japanese support as well as a healthy showing of indie games from the west. And if that’s what the WiiU is destined to become I’d call that win. A lot of AAAA titles may not find a home on the WIiU, but between the afore mentioned support and Nintendo’s own IPs I don’t foresee myself being disappointed at all.
 
That wheel pad needs a table mount to be useful.

...and analog triggers.

Someone mentioned a Criterion person having Wii U on their LinkedIn profile a little while back I think.

Well they got DS games to use the analog stick on the 3DS so there's a little hope there.

Can't see the point in it hahaha, it's already a steering wheel. The Wii-mote needed one, obviously.
 

Sheroking

Member
I know Pachter is basically trolling for a response, but I can't help but be a little annoyed by his behavior. It's like he's willing it to fail so he won't like a complete fucking fool for once in his career.
 
Oh shit, you're right.

This thing is going to choke the Wii U.

Vents possibly on the top side though? Damn, why didn't damn girl take more pictures of that 'debug' unit!!


dammit, shot down my dreams of buying it.

EDIT, I meant on the Wii U itself, lol. Demo units so far seem to have had vents on both sides of the console, I think Nintendo was asked about ii being placed on its side and they said something like they don't know yet, because of the air vents... but in those pics, it has none done one side at least.
 

BY2K

Membero Americo
JRgJJ.jpg


So unless they changed where the vents are on the new model, this charge station is actually going to be harmful to the Wii U.

Good freaking job.
 

Sheroking

Member
JRgJJ.jpg


So unless they changed where the vents are on the new model, this charge station is actually going to be harmful to the Wii U.

Good freaking job.

The Wii U model in that promotion doesn't have vents on the sides at all.

Could well be that they've altered the model and don't think there's need for the extra ventilation.
 

BY2K

Membero Americo
Does anybody has pictures of the sides of the E3 2012 model? All I can find is either a front view of 3/4 but the sides are hidden by the GamePad.
 
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