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Why DmC's Dante is a Bad Character (Video)
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Acquiescence
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Heavenly Sword, yes. Enslaved, no. Enslaved is not a hack and slasher but rather an action-adventure game, more comparable to Uncharted or ICO. So DmC is their second attempt at the genre, and already a vast improvement over their first according to the coverage and responses from people who have actually played the game, journalists and regular gamers alike.
I'm going to sidestep this bout of petulance and refer to him as Dante.
HyperBitHero
Member
I was just joking, cmon. You guys are no fun.
semiconscious
Member
I don't really see how the new dante is a mess or lacks direction. It's pretty obvious what they want to do with the character and him being unlikable seems intentional. Anyway, story and character is the least concern when it comes to NT imo. It isn't exactly difficult to match the old DMC in terms of writing and dialoge.
Yes, the games goes in a new direction in tone and i understand why fans of the old character are disapointed. However it's a bit early to call foul on the story.
Yes, the games goes in a new direction in tone and i understand why fans of the old character are disapointed. However it's a bit early to call foul on the story.
Itchy//Tasty
Member
Good vid OP, you should do more. I liked your top voice acting ones as well.
HyperBitHero
Member
I used that sound clip to intro my Top 10 voice acted scenes. I love his delivery of that line, it's so bad.
that made me laugh pretty hard. I mean was someone expecting a good story? Lmao.
also yeah, this dante looks awful.
sublimit
Banned
BUT EVERYTHING IS INTENTIONAL!!!
There's deep meaning and symbolism behind its story and dialogue.Why don't you people get it??WHYYYY????
RazorbackDB
Member
I laughed so much
I'm glad it wasn't forgotten, it's exceptional in its narminess.
HyperBitHero
Member
sublimit
Banned
Well damn,i wonder for how long they were brainstorming to find a symbolism so deep...
Not to mention that most of us Europeans have never watched fox news.
Look, I don't know how you can say that. The game isn't even out yet. You're just judging things based on a couple trailers. Why don't you wait for the full game so you can decide where NT is going with that portrayal?!
lol
sublimit
Banned
I'm sorry but i don't think the OP (or everyone else) really cares what you do.
He made the video in order to bring some of his points about the character not to try and make people not buy the game.That's a decision everyone has to make on its own.
I'd want to ride on a train that's gonna derail, as long as I get to live afterwards.
NoirVisage
Banned
you have no idea what you're talking about.
i'd agree with you wholeheartedly if i were 12. that would have been classic if i was a preteen.
SirIgbyCeaser
Banned
Before the redesign he looked way better.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I have to admit, I don't really agree with the video's points, for the most part. He explains his points reasonably, it's not a whiny rant. But it does come across as a fan who cannot accept anything that is different from what they see as true canon.
The biggest problem I have with DmC Dante is this: I wouldn't want him to become the new official Dante. And yet, in the context of this game, its world, the story that seem to be shaping up, I think this Dante works. There's nothing wrong with him, especially the changes they made after realizing the original chain smoking crack addict was a little.. too far.
And I don't think you can criticize this game's story or premise based on what we know so far. Look, the DMC series has stupid plots, cringeworthy writing and dialog, batshit insane characterization, you name it. We accepted those things because the games were supposed to be that way - they were over the top Japanese satires of stylish action. There's nothing in DmC that looks worse, and the premise of a hallucinatory city that this Dante may be struggling to escape looks intriguingly realized with the multiple levels of warping environment.
The biggest problem I have with DmC Dante is this: I wouldn't want him to become the new official Dante. And yet, in the context of this game, its world, the story that seem to be shaping up, I think this Dante works. There's nothing wrong with him, especially the changes they made after realizing the original chain smoking crack addict was a little.. too far.
And I don't think you can criticize this game's story or premise based on what we know so far. Look, the DMC series has stupid plots, cringeworthy writing and dialog, batshit insane characterization, you name it. We accepted those things because the games were supposed to be that way - they were over the top Japanese satires of stylish action. There's nothing in DmC that looks worse, and the premise of a hallucinatory city that this Dante may be struggling to escape looks intriguingly realized with the multiple levels of warping environment.
Glass Rebel
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Well damn,i wonder for how long they were brainstorming to find a symbolism so deep...
Not to mention that most of us Europeans have never watched fox news.
Europe doesn't fit Capcom's definition of the West.
My guess: because it's intentionally bad and NT thinks that bad writing works for the DMC franchise.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I thought this about old Dante immediately (referring to Ushojax's take on it). I loved the game, but there was nothing about the character that was "cool" to me. I thought it was obviously for 12 year olds. And before the inevitable rebuttal of "you just don't get the satire!", the intent to satirize doesn't excuse something from being shitty in execution. Old Dante isn't a character at all. He's a collection of unbelievably bad one-liners. (For 12 year olds.)
TheDarkKnight774
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I think all versions of Dante are bad characters, and I only think there is a big up roar is because it's going from one bad that people were used to to a new kind of bad.
It's like infamous all over again. Nobody liked the original design in the first game. Hell he was mocked a lot. They decide to change it and everyone loses their shit over it.
It's like infamous all over again. Nobody liked the original design in the first game. Hell he was mocked a lot. They decide to change it and everyone loses their shit over it.
You should play Alice: Madness Returns.
Glass Rebel
Member
rofl this is nothing like the Infamous situation.
JonathanPower
Member
Ok, I see what you mean. Anyway, I liked your video, great job.
My biggest problem with this video is that there's this assumption that the old Dante was "good". He was a terrible character as well, it's just that his aesthetic had greater appeal to anime/gaming geeks.
There's nothing wrong with the new Dante. It's the same as the old, just with a different coat of paint.
There's nothing wrong with the new Dante. It's the same as the old, just with a different coat of paint.
RealDeadOne
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I hate the new Dante, the game looks terrible to me and I won't be buying it, but I think this is a tad ridiculous.
I HATE the idea that you can't judge a game until its out, but... you really can't make a complete analysis of a character until the game is out. Although its not likely, there's a possibility he could go through a complete arc and you end up liking him by the end.
Also I don't think its fair of people to say "old Dante wasn't well-written either", you're missing the point. Old DMC basically had an excuse-story, and Dante as a character was written similarly to Bayonetta, in that both are very shallow and over-the-top characters that you love for their wackiness. Old Dante may not have been better written than new Dante, but he wasn't supposed to be, whereas new Dante is supposed to be an "update" and improvement on the original character but still comes off as incredibly cheesy and juvenily written. Why change it if you aren't going to improve it?
You can say "lol internet nerds" all you want but it doesn't change the fact that these guys are fundamentally changing a beloved series and demonizing the fans for disagreeing. I'm not really a DMC fan but I would certainly be mad if Nintendo announced that the next Mario game would be more story focused exploring Mario's past, relating to modern unemployment issues, and feature an "updated" Mario with no mustache, a darker attitude and a fedora.
Or compare it to Other M in which a character with basically no writing but who had a pretty well established personality despite that was completely changed and put into a mediocre action game.
The inability of a reader to understand a satire does not make the satire bad.
I HATE the idea that you can't judge a game until its out, but... you really can't make a complete analysis of a character until the game is out. Although its not likely, there's a possibility he could go through a complete arc and you end up liking him by the end.
Also I don't think its fair of people to say "old Dante wasn't well-written either", you're missing the point. Old DMC basically had an excuse-story, and Dante as a character was written similarly to Bayonetta, in that both are very shallow and over-the-top characters that you love for their wackiness. Old Dante may not have been better written than new Dante, but he wasn't supposed to be, whereas new Dante is supposed to be an "update" and improvement on the original character but still comes off as incredibly cheesy and juvenily written. Why change it if you aren't going to improve it?
You can say "lol internet nerds" all you want but it doesn't change the fact that these guys are fundamentally changing a beloved series and demonizing the fans for disagreeing. I'm not really a DMC fan but I would certainly be mad if Nintendo announced that the next Mario game would be more story focused exploring Mario's past, relating to modern unemployment issues, and feature an "updated" Mario with no mustache, a darker attitude and a fedora.
Or compare it to Other M in which a character with basically no writing but who had a pretty well established personality despite that was completely changed and put into a mediocre action game.
The inability of a reader to understand a satire does not make the satire bad.
I think Dante fumbles more then he pulls off cool poses and stances and I find him a bumbling dolt who thinks he's cool (but really he's not), but I find it more endearing than groan-inducing purely down to the actor's delivery. It's intentionally lame (but Dante is not aware himself) being dressed up as cool and that's what I like about him.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
This isn't even remotely true on any level. Gotta love the amount of posters that blunder in that dont appear to have even played 1, 3, & 4.
Dante was cocky, but he was also a clown. He never took himself seriously unless it was very very important stuff. He achieved a great level of balance in 4 between the older more experienced demon hunter, but still the lackadaisical joker from 3.
As others have said, this prickish main character makes sense in his world of demon control and torture and whatever, but that just isn't what made Dante a fun dude to play as and watch.
Unfortunately Nintendo will probably never unleash that Brooklyn GTA styled Mario to really see how hypocritical some of the people complaining about the complainers are being. Sorry I was a fan of the original DMC franchise, I guess for all those that just didn't like it at all: heres YOUR game.
Boss Man
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I was cold towards the new Dante at first, but I think I'm going to give Ninja Theory a fair shot and play the game and see it all work in full context before I judge. I feel like they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Opinions on the new Dante direction aside, you make some quality videos OP. This isn't the first one of yours that I was impressed by. Right or wrong, you make well-thought-out points and present them well; that's what's most important (and rare).
Opinions on the new Dante direction aside, you make some quality videos OP. This isn't the first one of yours that I was impressed by. Right or wrong, you make well-thought-out points and present them well; that's what's most important (and rare).
What I will never understand is how everyone looks at the standard of a protagonist as being "cool." Like OG Dante is not cool or Dino is cool. At this point, it's just become some ambiguous label that is thrown around in these threads in particular. A label I used in middle school and can't remember occasions since.
All I care about is if a character is enjoyable. OG Dante was enjoyable and I don't feel the same about anything with Dino. He seems like a character from a bad movie while OG Dante is more of a caricature.
All I care about is if a character is enjoyable. OG Dante was enjoyable and I don't feel the same about anything with Dino. He seems like a character from a bad movie while OG Dante is more of a caricature.
Sapphire Dreams
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Because it's kewl!
So you agree then that the new Dante is just like the old, just with a revamped appearance? If that's the case, I really can't entertain any notions that the character is somehow inferior to the original. It's the same damn character. And BOTH are corny and poorly written.
Also, your Mario example doesn't quite work, since by your own admission the problem with the new Dante is that he is too much like the old one. Changing Mario from happy go lucky to dark and brooding would be entirely different.
Doctor Decimate
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whoa....how did i not notice the similarities to Travis Touchdown until this video
Old Dante's corniness is was what made him such a fun character. Yeah, I agree that if you compare it to other games with well-written characters then Dante is pretty terrible compared to them but making that comparison is missing the point of Dante. Like the video explained, Ninja Theory is trying to make a serious plot with DmC but at the same time trying to keep the cheese and it does not work from what we've seen.
Personally, I like new Dante and I think he's pretty funny sometimes.
Personally, I like new Dante and I think he's pretty funny sometimes.
I actually chuckled at the scene that was supposed to show how he was unlikeable (when he knocked the cup out of the man's hand).
From the latest trailers and demos, that seems to be pretty far from the truth.
RealDeadOne
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No, I think the part where I said new Dante was juvenily written was confusing. What I meant by that is that old Dante is a silly stereotype like Bayonetta that was never meant to be taken seriously because the characterization is not the point of the game. Meanwhile new Dante is supposed to be admired for his attitude, and is supposed to be a well-wrtitten improvement over the old Dante, but (as far as I can tell so far) he is just as badly written as old Dante, but this time not on purpose and add to that that his character is physically grating.
It's the difference between the Evil Dead and one of the awful Saw movies. One is a fun romp through a cheesy haunted house and the other takes itself seriously as a thriller but is really predictable and boring.
The DMC4 bits in the vid makes me sad. That game would be 5 years old when DmC would be released but still looks leagues better than NT offerings.
Why Capcom why? You manage to ruin everything I love about ur games.
No more Marvel
Sfxt is ass
Megaman is dead
PW new game is ios
DmC is so unappealing
SMH
Why Capcom why? You manage to ruin everything I love about ur games.
No more Marvel
Sfxt is ass
Megaman is dead
PW new game is ios
DmC is so unappealing
SMH
Everything about the new Devil May Cry seems pretty seems overtly silly and over the top. Just like the old Devil May Cry. Where is everyone getting this idea that this is supposed to be The Dark Knight to the original Devil May Cry's Batman & Robin?