It's amazing to me that people on this forum still believes this bullshit. It's getting really tiring reading it over and over again.
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Wii U Thread - Now in HD!
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I try to think of it as a term of endearment ;-)
Yeah it give me hope that it will appear on Wii U, hopefully Nintendo can talk TK to make it exclusive.
At the same time, someone will compile a list of new studios that start next gen to serve as a counter.
bgassassin
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Ahh thanks. So Nintendo fans can have a bit of a laugh at the insanity that MS fans will suffer in the lead-up to the 720?
One of our well-known MS fans is already going through it.
But this is basically what it is. The CPU will not blow the Xbox 360 out of the water from all indications. At best it will be somewhat more powerful. The GPU is perhaps 2 - 3x the power, this has been hinted at time and time again. It is not 10x more powerful in any regard. The RAM allocated to games appears to be 1 GB, a doubling of the Xbox 360. Imagine for a moment the PS1. Imagine that the PS2 had a CPU which was slightly more powerful and a GPU 2 - 3 x more powerful RAM was doubled. Would you really consider the PS2 a whole generation more advanced? No. You would think its just a souped up PS1. This is what the Wii U is like. Its the Wii all over again but for the previous gen. How big an issue that is depends on whom you ask.
I think the issue is with these multipliers. 2-3x more powerful with much more modern features could mean results of more than "2-3x". Basically, we shouldn't be looking at the same stuff from Wii U as we have been for 360, but then again we don't know a whole lot about the features yet.
I think with not even taking that into account, development software, techniques, optimization, and tools will certainly advance in that time period yielding graphical advancements.
Let them try.
CaptNfantasy
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Im fine with people liking different things. In fact, i get off on hating mainstream garbage and nothing would please me more than to see a Link cuter than Kirby for Wii U zelda just to watch the faces melt. But what is annoying is when people say things like "the game is broken" because they dont like the combat system, or cant figure out how to use motion plus.
All that great art, all that time spent creating something amazing by the game creators, all the genius, all the attention to detail.... but its "broken" just because someone cant figure out how to move their wrist 3 inches. THATS what pisses me off about "gamer" opinions. If people cant move their wrist or whatever, they should say "the controls didnt work for me personally" not "the game is broken". Thats just one example but people need to start using the correct words to describe their opinions. The problem is, i believe people are well aware of how their descriptions sound, and purposely choose argument inducing wording.
Exactly, I personally believe we will see games on the Wii U that look far superior to it's current launch games.
The way I see multipliers is what to expect from known increases in performance. Going from 720 p to 1080 p has a known increase in workload. Going from 30 fps to 60 fps is a known workload increase. Going from x number of light sources to 2 x number of light sources, going from x shadows to more sophisticated y shadow technique are usually known numbers. I'm thinking the Wii U is 2x to 3x more powerful than the Xbox 360 as a whole with maybe a little more icing than that. So say you took a really advanced Xbox 360 engine (which run at best 720 p and 30 fps in actual games nowadays). You could double the frame rate, but then you would have to leave the resolution at 720 p, or you could double the resolution but you would have to keep the frame rate at 30. You may have extra lights and better textures due to the increase ram, that's the extra icing. But you simply could not have both and increase in resolution and have a rock solid 60 fps with increased lights and texture resolution. You simply could not have it all, this is where you come to the 3x power barrier. It just doesn't have the grunt to do it all.
Fixed.
bgassassin
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Well Sony didn't do to good of a job as their target specs have been known since last year. MS would surprise me if they could keep people guessing as long as Nintendo has.
It's nice people have faith in 720 and PS4 to so completely wipe the floor technologically with the Wii-U... without having seen anything, just because.
And even if true, will it matter you have all those bells and whistles if dev companies are taking less risks for big budget games in the current gaming climates?
And even if true, will it matter you have all those bells and whistles if dev companies are taking less risks for big budget games in the current gaming climates?
It's gonna be an awful argument either way
Hopefully what we end up with is a bunch of devs who realize that they can make really inexpensive to produce games that will sell well if they are unique/have really good mechanics/do a certain thing really well. I really hope we are nearing a point where the idea is no longer "we gotta make this thing look as good as possible", and becomes "we gotta make this thing an assload of fun because we can't afford photorealism".
Its about probability.
The next gen could be
A. Less powerful than this current generation.
B. On par with current generation.
C. Barely more powerful than current generation.
D. Substantially more powerful than current generation and visually a clear generational leap
E. Totally revolutionary and would require second jobs to afford.
Based on past experience, I'm willing ot bed D is the most probable answer for Sony and MS. All indications are that the Wii U is closer to C.
Should be whatever you preorder it for.
how has amazon been with system launches? I've never done it.
I didnt experience the lines for a wii either. I waited a couple hours in the morning to pre order at GS. And then just walked in on launch day.
bgassassin
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The gap between C and D is too large IMO.
Biggest issue you will likely face is a delay in getting the system since its a 99% chance of release on a sunday. Amazon is a fantastic company to deal with overall. Just that weekend factor to deal with.
The only other concern is if Nintendo and Amazon have made up and will actually have the system
thanks,
yeah been wondering about that last part, I guess they had a temp listing for the system, but apparently that got pulled today. Hopefully just in preparation for the announcement.
The rumor is Gamestop is taking WiiU Preorders Thursday morning when they open, if thats true wouldnt they let people know this before Thurday? Not just the people who went into the store this week. I was told by a Gamestop employee that they will give a call to people who preordered WiiU games, I have so if I dont get a call i'm not gonna just show up there.
I think Ive said it before, but Wii U threads typically move fast when I post and I'm not a regular in them so no-one likely noticed.
But AFAIC, Wii U is what it is, it won't be as powerful as PS4/XB3, and it doesn't matter to me. I'm fine with not having cutting edge visuals, I've only ever really had consoles and none of them bar Dreamcast were top of the line when they launched, so to speak.
For me, it's purely about the games and the new types of gameplay afforded by what a new system can do. With Wii, it was about the promise of motion controls and pointer. By and large, it succeeded with a few very good examples (also a lot of failed shoehorn attempts but they were easily avoided).
Assuming the MS/Sony consoles are a "generational leap" over Wii U: a worst case scenario is that Wii U doesn't get a lot of third party games. Yes, that will be a bad thing for a lot of people. For me, I can deal with it because this generation, moreso than any other, the Wii played host to more of my favourite games than any other system. I had all three systems this time around, I know where things are broadly going with trends in gaming, and many of them don't appeal to me. Lucky for those who do enjoy them, sure, but that's not my taste.
A quick list of my top ten this gen would include SMG1, SMG2, Skyward Sword, Portal 2, Orange Box, Pixeljunk Monsters, World of Goo, Vanquish, Sin and Punishment 2 and the Pro Evo Wii playmaker series.
I accept that this is not a typically popular lineup of games, but for me it makes my decision easier. I only have the time to justify getting one console, and whilst inevitably I will be extremely tempted to pick up a PS4/XBox3 when the latest Metal Gear or something amazing comes out, I will still have more than enough to keep myself amused on Wii U.
Of course, a best case scenario is that Wii U is powerful or portable enough to get PS4/XB3 games in some version that does them justice, in which case everyone is happy.
At the end of the day, I am going to get the system that is the follow up to the one that provided me with the most enjoyment this gen. I could afford the money to get all three, that's not an issue. But I can't afford the time.
In that sense I find it amusing to see the people on the frontlines of discussion over which systems are best. Get what makes you happiest, and if its the most powerful, so long as it makes you happy then good luck to you. If it's not the most powerful, there is still fun to be had. Just a matter of keeping your expectations in check and not expecting everyone else to hold them as dear to their hearts as you do.
But AFAIC, Wii U is what it is, it won't be as powerful as PS4/XB3, and it doesn't matter to me. I'm fine with not having cutting edge visuals, I've only ever really had consoles and none of them bar Dreamcast were top of the line when they launched, so to speak.
For me, it's purely about the games and the new types of gameplay afforded by what a new system can do. With Wii, it was about the promise of motion controls and pointer. By and large, it succeeded with a few very good examples (also a lot of failed shoehorn attempts but they were easily avoided).
Assuming the MS/Sony consoles are a "generational leap" over Wii U: a worst case scenario is that Wii U doesn't get a lot of third party games. Yes, that will be a bad thing for a lot of people. For me, I can deal with it because this generation, moreso than any other, the Wii played host to more of my favourite games than any other system. I had all three systems this time around, I know where things are broadly going with trends in gaming, and many of them don't appeal to me. Lucky for those who do enjoy them, sure, but that's not my taste.
A quick list of my top ten this gen would include SMG1, SMG2, Skyward Sword, Portal 2, Orange Box, Pixeljunk Monsters, World of Goo, Vanquish, Sin and Punishment 2 and the Pro Evo Wii playmaker series.
I accept that this is not a typically popular lineup of games, but for me it makes my decision easier. I only have the time to justify getting one console, and whilst inevitably I will be extremely tempted to pick up a PS4/XBox3 when the latest Metal Gear or something amazing comes out, I will still have more than enough to keep myself amused on Wii U.
Of course, a best case scenario is that Wii U is powerful or portable enough to get PS4/XB3 games in some version that does them justice, in which case everyone is happy.
At the end of the day, I am going to get the system that is the follow up to the one that provided me with the most enjoyment this gen. I could afford the money to get all three, that's not an issue. But I can't afford the time.
In that sense I find it amusing to see the people on the frontlines of discussion over which systems are best. Get what makes you happiest, and if its the most powerful, so long as it makes you happy then good luck to you. If it's not the most powerful, there is still fun to be had. Just a matter of keeping your expectations in check and not expecting everyone else to hold them as dear to their hearts as you do.
They will probably call some people. I know my local Gamestop started taking names down on an unofficial list when the XL launched for the Wii U.
I agree with this, with Free 2 play being so big now, and cheap iOS games being big, what devs are really going to push out billion dollar budgets to make AAA games using up 6 GB of RAM? Activision? It would be suicide trust me the leap next gen will not be Wii to 360 type leap. Its just not gonna be a generation leap, even if those consoles are real powerful most devs will be level headed.
As good as Watch_Dogs and Star Wars 1313 look, they dont blow GTA5, Uncharted 3, The Last of Us and Halo 4 out the water, even the new Metal Gear Solid game is suppose to be current Gen.
All this tells me WiiU is fine, if it doesnt get support it would have more to do with them not wanting to compete with Nintendo games like 3rd parties have been since the N64, then it is about WiiU cant handle those games.
evilromero
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I went through Google's archived news stories about the Wii launch and it still amazes me how skeptical the mainstream media were about the system, even months after its launch. In a 2007 article Steven Kent actually said the system didn't have anything besides Wii Sports. Gotta remember it launched with Twilight Princess, Excite Truck and Rayman. A pretty bold statement to make. But then again he did originally say the N64 never had a game that looked as good as Mario 64.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Naw, the Wii U specs have sunk in and the anger has subsided.
With GAF, it can only be one or the other
This can't be said enough. I'm starting to believe that each Nintendo dev has a resident witch doctor that does some voodoo magic on their games to make them look better than should be possible on the console.
I just hope to God the Wii U CPU is only used minimally and it won't bottleneck anything. The days of me buying a console for first party games are over. I'm not spending $250+ on a Nintendo Games Delivery System, I will spend that on a video game system that plays a majority of games and big releases.
Ask and you shall receive.
TheLaughingMan
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The badder the graphics, the more I like the game. I'm a bad graphics whore.
Do you love Minecraft then?
I love games that have amazing art design and are lovingly crafted. I'm playing Galaxy 2 now and I actually hope they don't get rid of some of the "Polygoness" of some models. Like when you stomp on a koopa and his shell is rotating on the ground...there is a well constructed look to it that would lose its charm when it gets all tessellated and perfectly rounded
Edit: Minecraft, mod free, is a gorgeous game.
Edit: Minecraft, mod free, is a gorgeous game.
Of course... then that would mean this thread would be a LOT shorter if it were good news
It's selective reading. They focus on what they want and ignore any other facts.
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