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Summer 2012 Anime |OT3| Where All the Waifus Are Made Up and the Points Don't Matter
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Canis lupus
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Its not awfully made. Its just that its such a mundane idiotic episode with the simplest, dumbest "mystery"imaginable that even I felt insulted that I wasted my time watching episode 6.
Razgriz-Specter
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Na I like Wing better in almost every way.
Characters.
-Heero>Setsuna
-Treize>>>>Ribbons
-Relena>>Marina
Soundtrack
Gundam design
etc
though 00 has a better story overall imo.
thats trying to be objective and discount the nostalgia.
Jex
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The only thing I can agree with regarding this list is that 0083 is right at the bottom.
Ultimadrago
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Whenever Articalys uses a "cuss" I know things are bad.
Razgriz-Specter
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it was ok for a while but quickly turned awful.
KO Traveling Hobo
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I bet the monocles were behind this somehow. /shakesfist
If you don't start getting interested soon, I'm not sure you ever will. I really liked Ichise because as far as protagonists go he's quite unique and a total underdog.Yeah, she's not exactly the best written character. I loved her though because she's like all of my fetishes combined.
I could go to the NY showing, but I've not spent much time amidst a large concentration of anime nerds before. It's a bit daunting.
Joe Molotov
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The correct list is:
1. Zeta
2. Zeta
3. Zeta
4. G Gundam
5. Zeta
1. Zeta
2. Zeta
3. Zeta
4. G Gundam
5. Zeta
Chet Rippo
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There's only 11?
All Madoka fans are actually 14 year old girls. I realize it's somewhat daunting to willingly put yourself in an environment heavy with them.
It was seriously that bad. Do you want to know why it was that bad?
After Hazuki returns to his body ALMOST AT THE END OF THE EPISODE, he and Rokka have some stupid conversation about how to properly bid Shimao farewell or whatever, then they kiss and Hazuki reiterates how he wants to marry her. Fade out scene.
Fade scene back in FORTY YEARS LATER, WITH ROKKA AND HAZUKI DEAD, AND THEIR GRANDCHILD TALKING WITH GHOST SHIMAO
THAT'S HOW BAD IT WAS
WE GOT CHEATED OUT OF ANY REAL RELATIONSHIP DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN THE TWO
Fade scene back in FORTY YEARS LATER, WITH ROKKA AND HAZUKI DEAD, AND THEIR GRANDCHILD TALKING WITH GHOST SHIMAO
THAT'S HOW BAD IT WAS
WE GOT CHEATED OUT OF ANY REAL RELATIONSHIP DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN THE TWO
Jex
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Now I'm really looking forward to the finale!
That... doesn't sound so awful to me. Truncated perhaps, but a bulk of the development took place in the first few episodes before the
body squatting.
I do wonder if they managed to cover all the manga, and that's how it ends, or if it was Apollon'd.
zyxwvu4321
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Wat. No. Nononononono. Nope.
KO Traveling Hobo
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OH god it's worse than I thought
Razgriz-Specter
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I kind of got spoiled on Zeta so I have put off watching it.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Wow, you get angry?! lol
You know what?
Still sounds better than Apollon's ending.
Train of Midnight
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So glad I decided to hold off on this show. Dodged a bullet on that one.
Guess I don't have to start this one.
Razgriz-Specter
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Canis lupus
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Agree with Relena>Marina, Marina was annoying. Lol Trailblazer fucked up the 00 series for me by introducing those new enemies.
Hey, I'm human just like everyone else here.
To be fair,You know what?
Still sounds better than Apollon's ending.
at least Apollon ended without everyone being DEAD, Kaoru still has a chance with Ritsuko, plus they closed with that sweet OP song. So that's three points in Apollon's favor.
I guess... my biggest problem is just that I feel severely betrayed by how the show seemed to present itself in all the trailers, previews, etc. versus what we got in the end. Misplaced expectations and all that. If I'd know what the majority of the show was actually going to be like ahead of time, maybe I wouldn't have minded so much...
I also wound up not really actually liking any of the three characters by the end (except maybe Hazuki a bit), and when they're the only characters in the series, well...
Anyway, at least I got more Yuichi Nakamura using his Oreki voice every week, and also a smooth OP song from Yuya Matsushita, so it's not a complete wash.
Razgriz-Specter
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I also found even Relena to be annoying though she actually did stuff and interacted with the others.
Agree about Marina, she interacted with Setsuna maybe 3 short times and did nothing besides that.
Also agree about Trailblazer.
Graham Aker thing also ruined it for me.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Natsuyuki Rendezvous -FIN-
A really interesting show overall that I'm not sure how to feel about.
This show goes through a lot of shifts from start to finish. It starts off with the developments between Hazuki and Rokka - and make no mistake about this is the peak of the show - and then shifts into a show where neither Hazuki nor Shimao are the main characters (even though basically the entire second half of the shows developments are through Shimao). The show is all about Rokka in the end, in the beginning she deals with the challenges of a new love with Hazuki and then deals with the challenges of forgetting an old love as a widow. Basically both guys are just her boytoys.
Unfortunately this means Hazuki gets lost in the process. He was definitely the most interesting character in the show and I honestly would have preferred it had the story stuck from his perspective, through his challenges as being the second wheel (so as he claims) in her life. The entire Hazuki subplot in the end was really just a total waste of time and by far the weakest point of the show.
The highs of this show are undeniable. There are some fantastic emotional moments interspersed in this show. But the lows are pretty damn low as well. And such I really don't know how I feel about the show as a whole - but I can say that I thought it was well worth my time and the parts that I did enjoy were fantastic.
As for the ending of the show itself - I really liked it. It certainly was a definitive finale which leaves absolutely no room for ambiguity to say the least. It was really cute
A really interesting show overall that I'm not sure how to feel about.
This show goes through a lot of shifts from start to finish. It starts off with the developments between Hazuki and Rokka - and make no mistake about this is the peak of the show - and then shifts into a show where neither Hazuki nor Shimao are the main characters (even though basically the entire second half of the shows developments are through Shimao). The show is all about Rokka in the end, in the beginning she deals with the challenges of a new love with Hazuki and then deals with the challenges of forgetting an old love as a widow. Basically both guys are just her boytoys.
Unfortunately this means Hazuki gets lost in the process. He was definitely the most interesting character in the show and I honestly would have preferred it had the story stuck from his perspective, through his challenges as being the second wheel (so as he claims) in her life. The entire Hazuki subplot in the end was really just a total waste of time and by far the weakest point of the show.
The highs of this show are undeniable. There are some fantastic emotional moments interspersed in this show. But the lows are pretty damn low as well. And such I really don't know how I feel about the show as a whole - but I can say that I thought it was well worth my time and the parts that I did enjoy were fantastic.
As for the ending of the show itself - I really liked it. It certainly was a definitive finale which leaves absolutely no room for ambiguity to say the least. It was really cute
how they told the ending through family and an ordinary scene around a table. But most importantly Shimao gets the fate he deserves.
Canis lupus
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Marina didn't do much other than singing her song...
Dedication Through Light
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She took care of the kids and didnt get in Setsuna's way unlike Relena.
Hakuoki Reimeiroku 07-09 Yeah, this going somewhere. Still cant figure it out though, but I can almost expect a bad ending to this series. Still good, the characters keep reeling me in.
Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 01-05 Oh god kid, shut up and stop acting like the world revolves around you. We get it, your parents are going through a rough patch. Almost wanted to drop this show and then watched episode 5. What a sad and brilliant episode dealing with loss.
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Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 01-05 Oh god kid, shut up and stop acting like the world revolves around you. We get it, your parents are going through a rough patch. Almost wanted to drop this show and then watched episode 5. What a sad and brilliant episode dealing with loss.
Mr. Furuichi saying he should have died instead of his grandchildren hit me hard
Yikes, was going to continue where I stopped
the episode where Hazuki gets drunk and agrees to the body swap with Shimao
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Razgriz-Specter
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I still can't believe Sumeragi, Ramius and Relena were all dubbed by the same woman. she never needs to do that younger voice again.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
The show wasn't about this. It never was and frankly I'm happy thats NOT how they decided to spend the very end on.
It was simply a show involving a man who falls in love with a woman who has to get over the fact that her former love is dead. There just happens to be some (poorly implemented) supernatural elements to the show.
Once the resolution happens - when she comes to accept that Hazuki is the man that she loves and that she has to let go of Shimao - the show for all intents and purposes has run its course. There are no more developments to be had, the show fast forwards in time to describe how their love blossomed and shows snippets of the good times they had together as a family.
It's a really happy ending and yet bittersweet at the same time, Shimao might have died early but the truth is everybody meets their maker in the end. Enjoy life while you can, and as Rokka experienced that its okay to love more than once.
It's a really happy ending and yet bittersweet at the same time, Shimao might have died early but the truth is everybody meets their maker in the end. Enjoy life while you can, and as Rokka experienced that its okay to love more than once.
zyxwvu4321
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We call this "The Mass Effect 3 Solution."
Canis lupus
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Natsuyuki Rendezvous - Episode 10-11 (END)
Wow, that was an interesting way to end the series. I wasn't quite expecting it, but it fit the tone of the show. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of the series on a whole. This makes it the second noitaminA show this year, after Kids on the Slope, which is so faithful to the classic noitaminA formula and yet so uneven that while it starts and ends on satisfying notes, it doesn't really feel strong and cohesive on a whole.
Also, everyone who said ep10 was way too long was right, but the final line really made it all worthwhile. I'm glad I didn't have to wait a week after that, lol.
Series spoilers:
Wow, that was an interesting way to end the series. I wasn't quite expecting it, but it fit the tone of the show. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of the series on a whole. This makes it the second noitaminA show this year, after Kids on the Slope, which is so faithful to the classic noitaminA formula and yet so uneven that while it starts and ends on satisfying notes, it doesn't really feel strong and cohesive on a whole.
Also, everyone who said ep10 was way too long was right, but the final line really made it all worthwhile. I'm glad I didn't have to wait a week after that, lol.
Series spoilers:
How I see the series now that it is over is that this was really a sort of modern ghost fable in the classic Japanese supernatural tale sense. It is basically a cautionary tale about the dangers of a young man with an infatuation falling for a widow who might not be over her husband. The husband being a ghost in this context is both a literal plot device, as well as a metaphor for the bond between husband and wife being a lingering feeling that prevents either from moving on. The young man in the story is a naive and unwitting witness and participant to this situation.
It's definitely a compelling story at the core, and this oddity witnessed by Hazuki is what drives the story. His unwillingness to give up shows his tenacity and youth, also his foolishness. These traits are then tested by trials and tribulations, first having to find ways to remove the distraction of the ghost, and then trying to make her accept his feelings. His character is also made unappealing from the start, coming off as more of a creeper than a prince in shining armor. This I feel is an interesting move because it means the audience is not automatically invested in him, and by not rooting for him, it makes observing the unraveling events more engaging since failure is an option.
There is also a high level of frustration present in all the relationships in the show. Characters are unable to say what they really feel, and they lie to each other and themselves. While it can be unpleasant to watch, such feelings also gave the show a lot of strength and honesty in the delivery.
So where does it fall apart? Well, I don't really think it falls apart so much as loses it's way for a period of time before finding the way out. While the actual narrative also mirrors this - by having Hazuki trapped in a dream world for half the series before "breaking" out - it doesn't make the narrative stronger by default. In fact, much of the weakness is that because the audience does not root for Hazuki, it is not really interesting to watch him try to break out of a situation he basically put himself into. It was also uninteresting because there wasn't much development in those scenes, but rather repetitive messages being presented in different visual ways.
On the contrary, with Shimao is in Hazuki's body, those scenes really added a layer of complexity and context to the story. His frustration and the frustration of the audience watching Rokka think she is developing her relationship with Hazuki, knowing that it is actually Shimao, and knowing that she would want to see Shimao again, but him being unwilling to tell her... all those emotions built a thick air of dread which effectively developed the feelings of the characters without developing the actual status of the relationship in an orthodox way.
Unfortunately those scenes remained sandwiched between endlessly bloated sequences of Hazuki trapped in a boring dream world which seemed like a ton of padding. Had the story been trimmed or rearranged to avoid this, the overall tale would be much more powerful. But either way, I'm still happy with the eventual development, because it did show that through his perseverance, we do learn that Hazuki's feelings are true, and not just that of a creeper's passing fancy. This earned him the right to the relationship, and in the end everyone was able to let go. Which solves the ghosty incident which started the story to begin with.
I think that this series would have been much better of as a shorter piece, maybe a 4 part OVA or a feature length film. Keeping all the character moments and ditching the pointless dream world sequences would tighten the pacing and make the tightening emotional coil between characters that much stronger.
My biggest disappointment in the actual ending is that noitaminA threw away a perfect chance for one series' ending to tie seamlessly into the beginning of the next unrelated series on the block. With the epilogue taking place so many decades later, they should have just shown Shimao's spirit flying over the future Tokyo of Psycho-Pass, before the camera pans down to Shinya standing in the streets somewhere and cutting out with "WAIT FOR 10.11".
Okay, that last paragraph was a joke.
It's definitely a compelling story at the core, and this oddity witnessed by Hazuki is what drives the story. His unwillingness to give up shows his tenacity and youth, also his foolishness. These traits are then tested by trials and tribulations, first having to find ways to remove the distraction of the ghost, and then trying to make her accept his feelings. His character is also made unappealing from the start, coming off as more of a creeper than a prince in shining armor. This I feel is an interesting move because it means the audience is not automatically invested in him, and by not rooting for him, it makes observing the unraveling events more engaging since failure is an option.
There is also a high level of frustration present in all the relationships in the show. Characters are unable to say what they really feel, and they lie to each other and themselves. While it can be unpleasant to watch, such feelings also gave the show a lot of strength and honesty in the delivery.
So where does it fall apart? Well, I don't really think it falls apart so much as loses it's way for a period of time before finding the way out. While the actual narrative also mirrors this - by having Hazuki trapped in a dream world for half the series before "breaking" out - it doesn't make the narrative stronger by default. In fact, much of the weakness is that because the audience does not root for Hazuki, it is not really interesting to watch him try to break out of a situation he basically put himself into. It was also uninteresting because there wasn't much development in those scenes, but rather repetitive messages being presented in different visual ways.
On the contrary, with Shimao is in Hazuki's body, those scenes really added a layer of complexity and context to the story. His frustration and the frustration of the audience watching Rokka think she is developing her relationship with Hazuki, knowing that it is actually Shimao, and knowing that she would want to see Shimao again, but him being unwilling to tell her... all those emotions built a thick air of dread which effectively developed the feelings of the characters without developing the actual status of the relationship in an orthodox way.
Unfortunately those scenes remained sandwiched between endlessly bloated sequences of Hazuki trapped in a boring dream world which seemed like a ton of padding. Had the story been trimmed or rearranged to avoid this, the overall tale would be much more powerful. But either way, I'm still happy with the eventual development, because it did show that through his perseverance, we do learn that Hazuki's feelings are true, and not just that of a creeper's passing fancy. This earned him the right to the relationship, and in the end everyone was able to let go. Which solves the ghosty incident which started the story to begin with.
I think that this series would have been much better of as a shorter piece, maybe a 4 part OVA or a feature length film. Keeping all the character moments and ditching the pointless dream world sequences would tighten the pacing and make the tightening emotional coil between characters that much stronger.
My biggest disappointment in the actual ending is that noitaminA threw away a perfect chance for one series' ending to tie seamlessly into the beginning of the next unrelated series on the block. With the epilogue taking place so many decades later, they should have just shown Shimao's spirit flying over the future Tokyo of Psycho-Pass, before the camera pans down to Shinya standing in the streets somewhere and cutting out with "WAIT FOR 10.11".
Okay, that last paragraph was a joke.
Hmmm, can't say I'm disappointed with Wolf Children airing in cinemas here instead of this!
http://psycho-pass.com
THE SITE FINALLY UPDATED! PR-SAN IS ALIVE! (or replaced ;_
New details:
- Kyoji Asano is also the chief animation director
- Makoto Ishiwata designed the Dominator gun
- Motohiro and Shiotani first started on the project 3 years ago planning an original new anime series
- Motohiro initially wanted to make a robot anime masterpiece
- Later Urobuchi joined the planning team and they developed what would become Psycho-Pass
- It worked out well because it's a sci-fi cop series, which the staff are all comfortable with
- Sakurai's character is Shogo (Seigo? The cast page and the character page have different romanizations...) Makishima, and he's involved in the background of many incidents. He and Shinya also share some sort of connection...
- Lots of nice background samples here: http://psycho-pass.com/story/
- The character section has all the animation designs for the various characters.
THE SITE FINALLY UPDATED! PR-SAN IS ALIVE! (or replaced ;_
New details:
- Kyoji Asano is also the chief animation director
- Makoto Ishiwata designed the Dominator gun
- Motohiro and Shiotani first started on the project 3 years ago planning an original new anime series
- Motohiro initially wanted to make a robot anime masterpiece
- Later Urobuchi joined the planning team and they developed what would become Psycho-Pass
- It worked out well because it's a sci-fi cop series, which the staff are all comfortable with
- Sakurai's character is Shogo (Seigo? The cast page and the character page have different romanizations...) Makishima, and he's involved in the background of many incidents. He and Shinya also share some sort of connection...
- Lots of nice background samples here: http://psycho-pass.com/story/
- The character section has all the animation designs for the various characters.
Hee! It's a completely different studio I'm afraid - Un Go was Bones, this is Production IG!
I don't think any of that carries over. It was just a casual comment by Motohiro about how there wasn't any plan when they initially started kicking ideas around.
But it transforms...
Even if it was just an early idea, it could carry over to the setting aspect of the show, right? This is an SF show, so I can see the "enforcers" having robotic equipment, aside from the gun itself
For the most part though, I'm really just curious as to how they'll portray the city this takes place in.
For the most part though, I'm really just curious as to how they'll portray the city this takes place in.
I see I am too quick to believe Wikipedia again
That's not the studio, just the programming block it's airing.
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