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[Aizu_Itsuko]

Fuck. The term "FLOP" is being thrown around like it's the thing to look for performance. What the fuck happened?

People love numbers because they are familiar with them, otherwise it gets too complicated.

Numbers and other quantifiers make people feel better about their decisions, as if they were making consciuous choices even if they don't actually understand anything about the actual product, what those numbers mean or if they are in any way real.

That's why we have review scores too.

 

[specialguy]

Regarding the OP, I guess a Wii U fanbot works at AMD? I dunno. Also if there are only two alleged emails that say this, and we called the first one fake, whos to say the second isn't as well?

 

[CaptNfantasy]

That applies to last gen gfx as well. Show me the undoctored 480p pic of a last gen Xbox game that looks merely .5 times worse than pd at its worst

Ever consider that maybe the scenario is different this time since its a different era and different companies and different consoles? This whole thing where you bring up xbox vs 360 means nothing really. I see where people are coming from but there are too many variables to determine wii u power through this method of logic. Its really embarrassingly bad to use this is some kind of proof of anything in either direction.

 

[metalslimer]

Regarding the OP, I guess a Wii U fanbot works at AMD? I dunno. Also if there are only two alleged emails that say this, and we called the first one fake, whos to say the second isn't as well?

Based on?

 

[kfpkiller]

native... of course not. ME3 was written on a 360. They did a cheap port to make a few bucks. Why the fuck would they spend tons of money to bump it up to release on a new console with only a few million total user base at first in a best case scenario?

I really don't understand what people actually expected with these ports. Hint, no company is going to spend millions to upgrade the system for a port they only expect to sell 500k with.

We won't see Wii U's real power until Retro's game or a real next-gen game is put out by Nintendo or a 3rd party. Basically when these companies are using real next-gen engines on the system.

GUN went from 480p on Xbox to 720p on 360 and it was a really lazy port.
If wii u was much more powerfull than 360, even lazy ports should be able to run at 1080p without any efforts.

 

[TyRaNtM]

I think that this news should be banned until Wii U finally releases, somebody just disassemble it and check what is inside.

 

[DonMigs85]

People love numbers because they are familiar with them, otherwise it gets too complicated.

Numbers and other quantifiers make people feel better about their decisions, as if they were making consciuous choices even if they don't actually understand anything about the actual product, what those numbers mean or if they are in any way real.

That's why we have review scores too.

Yup. Memory bandwidth, the number of ROPs, texturing units, etc are all very important too. FLOPS is now the new bits.

 

[Projectjustice]

GUN went from 480p on Xbox to 720p on 360 and it was a really lazy port.
If wii u was much more powerfull than 360, even lazy ports should be able to run at 1080p without any efforts.

If only those were the only reasons for the decision to make it in 720p. Must be nice to live in your world.

 

[Zoramon089]

Regarding the OP, I guess a Wii U fanbot works at AMD? I dunno. Also if there are only two alleged emails that say this, and we called the first one fake, whos to say the second isn't as well?

How many more pictures do you want? Here's my inbox after I searched/filtered "AMD"

 

[CaptNfantasy]

native... of course not. ME3 was written on a 360. They did a cheap port to make a few bucks. Why the fuck would they spend tons of money to bump it up to release on a new console with only a few million total user base at first in a best case scenario?

I really don't understand what people actually expected with these ports. Hint, no company is going to spend millions to upgrade the system for a port they only expect to sell 500k with.

We won't see Wii U's real power until Retro's game or a real next-gen game is put out by Nintendo or a 3rd party. Basically when these companies are using real next-gen engines on the system.

For the thousandth time, this has been said, and still we will have to say it over and over and over. To me this is an argument ending post. But the argument rages on. And on.

 

[Thrakier]

What? 720p tvs are not dead or even close to being dead. You vastly overestimate how much people care about the difference between 720 and 1080

Well give me numbers otherwise the discussion makes no sense. Imo we had a very small timeframe where 720p tvs were sold, maybe 1 to max 2 years. In this time the adoption rate was probably way worse than today because lcds were still pretty bad and pricey. 1080p is the standard for 4 to 5 years now with way more consumer friendly prices than any 720p tv ever released.

Based on that I do think that among lcd owners there are much more 1080p tvs than 720p. The last 720p tvs will be gone in 2 to 3 years, just in time for the new console standard.

 

[kfpkiller]

If only those were the only reasons for the decision to make it in 720p. Must be nice to live in your world.

And what are those reasons?

 

[Dragon]

How many more pictures do you want? Here's my inbox after I searched/filtered "AMD"

Shops in my time.

 

[Acageron]

Interesting. My laptop has a 560m. Is it more powerful than that?

 

[The_Lump]

Far be it from me to forgoe the absolutely essential xbox/xbox360/wiiu launch game comparisons, I'll just digress back on topic for a mo....


As silly as the source or this rumour is; this gpu is very likely to be closely related to what WiiU is packing.

It's not going to be the whole mcm package including the RAM etc. And its not going to be the off the shelf gpu. Bit if this gpu were downclocked, on a smaller die (which fits with the yeild problems Nintendo were recently rumoured to be having with gpu manufacture) and sporting gddr3; it fits the bill nicely in terms of TDP and power.

 

[RM8]

Lol at people judging WiiU because of Xbox 360 ports. I'm guessing 3DS is capable of that abysmal, glitchy, awful Rayman 3D launch game and nothing more.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Ever consider that maybe the scenario is different this time since its a different era and different companies and different consoles? This whole thing where you bring up xbox vs 360 means nothing really. I see where people are coming from but there are too many variables to determine wii u power through this method of logic. Its really embarrassingly bad to use this is some kind of proof of anything in either direction.

true, but the past continues to be the best heuristic for the future

 

[Projectjustice]

And what are those reasons?

For starters.

native... of course not. ME3 was written on a 360. They did a cheap port to make a few bucks. Why the fuck would they spend tons of money to bump it up to release on a new console with only a few million total user base at first in a best case scenario?

I really don't understand what people actually expected with these ports. Hint, no company is going to spend millions to upgrade the system for a port they only expect to sell 500k with.

 

[sp3000]

Wall guy says hello.

Xbox 1.5 tag was started by Neogaf buddy not Sony.

Are you seriously going to cherry pick the worst screenshot you can find and claim it represents the console.

 

[The_Lump]

Well give me numbers otherwise the discussion makes no sense. Imo we had a very small timeframe where 720p tvs were sold, maybe 1 to max 2 years. In this time the adoption rate was probably way worse than today because lcds were still pretty bad and pricey. 1080p is the standard for 4 to 5 years now with way more consumer friendly prices than any 720p tv ever released.

Based on that I do think that among lcd owners there are much more 1080p tvs than 720p. The last 720p tvs will be gone in 2 to 3 years, just in time for the new console standard.

Doesn't mean 'average Joe' can tell the difference.


I agree, 1080p should be standard. But it won't be yet. I'm betting 99% of game developers would rather have their game run at 720p, 60fps and utilise as much power as possible on effects etc, than waste resources pushing for 1080p whilst trying to maintain decent framerates.

That goes for ps4/720 too.

I'll stick to my PC if I want high res and high fps

 

[gaming_noob]

Cherrypicking screenshots to trying to prove launch titles look like shit? Can I play too?

LOL. I'm spreading this on my Facebook.

 

[Hoo-doo]

For starters.

Statements like "they did a cheap port to make a few bucks" have absolutely no bearing on the discussion. We don't know what went into porting the game, we don't know their prospected profits or the possible limitations of the device.

Why you think that's an actual usable argument is beyond me.

 

[Meelow]

Cherrypicking screenshots to trying to prove launch titles look like shit? Can I play too?

Tank Tank Tank! is a 2009 arcade port, that picture of The Wonderful 101 does look bad but that's not all the Wii U can do, just like how that picture of the Xbox 360 isn't all the 360 can do.

 

[Projectjustice]

Statements like "they did a cheap port to make a few bucks" have absolutely no bearing on the discussion. We don't know what went into porting the game, we don't know their prospected profits or the possible limitations of the device.

Why you think that's an actual usable argument is beyond me.

It can be beyond all you want but there is no userbase to begin with. Quick port for a quick buck for launch titles is how things work. There are so many factors behind closed doors that none of us has a clue about but one thing is for sure this is a business. A business to make money.

 

[Projectjustice]

Tank Tank Tank! is a 2009 arcade port, that picture of The Wonderful 101 does look bad but that's not all the Wii U can do, just like how that picture of the Xbox 360 isn't all the 360 can do.

Exactly, thats what happens when people just jump the gun when they see a post and not read on why it was posted to begin with.

 

[StickSoldier]

LOL. I'm spreading this on my Facebook.

You're spreading that on your facebook? Why?

 

[ASTROID2]

Are you seriously going to cherry pick the worst screenshot you can find and claim it represents the console.

That's what people are doing with the Wii U. People need to stop going "Well...well that one doesn't count" and face the facts.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Krillin,Yamcha,Tien,Piccolo and Chaotsu all with senzu beans.

You gotta give it more credit than that guys.

no I'd say the Wiiu is Goku at Kaio Ken x10 when he was fighting Frieza just before he turned SSJ

 

[TheGreyHulk]

meh..

honestly.. it would be hard to use a GPU that would NOT be much stronger than the 360's GPU. It's been 7 years since it's launch.

in comparison to PC tech, it's a POS of course. But for a Nintendo console it should be good enough for their 1st party games.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

Wall guy says hello.

Xbox 1.5 tag was started by Neogaf buddy not Sony.

People need a recap from the "Remedy quantum leap" thread.

There was a clear as all hell jump right out of the gate, from the resolution, to the detail, the textures, the lighting, shadows, and sheer amount of shit happening on screen, etc.

 

[Glorified G]

Tank Tank Tank! is a 2009 arcade port, that picture of The Wonderful 101 does look bad but that's not all the Wii U can do, just like how that picture of the Xbox 360 isn't all the 360 can do.

Yeah, umm that was my point. Chery picking screenshots is flawed.

 

[Absinthe]

How many more pictures do you want? Here's my inbox after I searched/filtered "AMD"

More proof is needed in the eyes of many because this news, if true, is a positive for Nintendo. If this was negative news for Nintendo, it would be instantly declared as fact from the gaf mountaintops, all while citing an 8000 series GPU reference for the Durango / Orbis.

 

[Absinthe]

People need a recap from the "Remedy quantum leap" thread.

There was a clear as all hell jump right out of the gate, from the resolution, to the detail, the textures, the lighting, shadows, and sheer amount of shit happening on screen, etc.

True. Also, going from SD to HD was a big deal. The leap for the next gen will not be as big as the last though, as much as we all want it to be. This next gen will be about perfecting the last gen with better lighting, better DOF, better particle effects, etc, etc.

The fact is, launch games, especially ports, usually don't look much better than their last gen counterpart (hence the 1.5 refs). We have history and logic to prove this. Games will always improve as time is spent with new architectures. This is also a fact. The 360 was called an Xbox 1.5 for a reason at launch, although it was not true, obviously. This is no different than the Wii U being called a PS3 1.5 now.

 

[abstract alien]

That much power in nintendo's hands is scary.

 

[Zoramon089]

It's funny how GAF has infiltrated all areas of the internet, the tech community and the videogame industry

 

[LOCK]

The more threads we have like this just proves a lot of people don't really understand technology.

Funny to read.

 

[Mastperf]

People need a recap from the "Remedy quantum leap" thread.



There was a clear as all hell jump right out of the gate, from the resolution, to the detail, the textures, the lighting, shadows, and sheer amount of shit happening on screen, etc.

Thank you. It's painfully obvious who didn't have an Xbox 360 and an hdtv at that time. The Sony PR " Xbox 1.5" in addition to their E3 05 Wide World Of Bullshit showing were what drove this misinformation.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

I though we got an understanding that PS3 was cell, you guys are screwing up all the DBZ ratings, this was a precise science for fucks sake.

 

[Azure J]

I though we got an understanding that PS3 was cell, you guys are screwing up all the DBZ ratings, this was a precise science for fucks sake.

Exactly, stop breaking the canon! Especially when it fits so well. Wii U is SSJ2 Gohan, bodying the current gen with a little extra help from daddy only to become sidelined by SSJ3 Goku/Majin Vegeta later.

 

[Trevelyan9999]

This hasn't really been proven false yet has it?

I talked to BG about the possibility of the e6760 being what the Wii U is based on and he said that he thought of the Wii U GPU as a "twin brother" to the e6760:

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/dissecting-the-wii-u-specs-mega-thread-part-3.452563057/page-2

Meaning that designed almost the same but using the R700 as a base. So when you think about it the e6760 as a base probably isn't the GPU in the Wii U but the e6760 as an example of what it will be like is probably a good bet.

 

[pramath]

"Time to admit that the graphics-driven future is not doing so much harm after all" thread by Pramath incoming?

Sheesh

tough crowd

 

[iamblades]

This hasn't really been proven false yet has it?

I talked to BG about the possibility of the e6760 being what the Wii U is based on and he said that he thought of the Wii U GPU as a "twin brother" to the e6760:

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/dissecting-the-wii-u-specs-mega-thread-part-3.452563057/page-2

Meaning that designed almost the same but using the R700 as a base. So when you think about it the e6760 as a base probably isn't the GPU in the Wii U but the e6760 as an example of what it will be like is probably a good bet.

Why would they bother designing a custom die like e6760 but using R700 cores when they could just take the e6760 and modify it to suit their needs?

Seems completely illogical to me.

Regardless, I don't even get what the controversy is about, we've known that they were probably using something like a die shrunk 4850 or 4870 at lower clock rates or a newer but more lowend part given the TDP constraints they were working with.

Its not like there is a huge amount of difference in raw performance between these options, it's mainly efficiency boosts, which given Nintendo's philosophy, seems right up their alley.

 

[Shokio]

That applies to last gen gfx as well. Show me the undoctored 480p pic of a last gen Xbox game that looks merely .5 times worse than pd at its worst

Conker.

 

[BlazinAm]

But didn't people working with the dev kit say it has a dx10.1 GPU?

I thought anything that had 10.1 support also had directx 11 support as per a Microsoft mandate.

 

[F#A#Oo]

So if the GPU is the e6760 than the Wii U has a bottleneck with the CPU... Would Nintendo really do such a thing?

 

[Shokio]

So if the GPU is the e6760 than the Wii U has a bottleneck with the CPU... Would Nintendo really do such a thing?

Slower CPU =/= weaker CPU.

Not to mention it has a GPGPU, than can help out with CPU functions.

 

[Thrakier]

Man, Kameo still is a very good looking game.

 

[Refreshment.01]

Resume this thread in 1 word:

Desperation.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Regarding the OP, I guess a Wii U fanbot works at AMD? I dunno. Also if there are only two alleged emails that say this, and we called the first one fake, whos to say the second isn't as well?

Not that it's a guarantee, but I'd like to think a GAFer who's been around for years and thousands of posts would know that wouldn't end well for them and lack the desire to be banned.

 

[ColdBlooder]

Resume this thread in 1 word:

Desperation.

Resume this post in 1 word:

stupid.

Its really amazing that people get angry about Wii U being faster and more moder than xbox 360/PS3