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Halo |OT10| The Calm Before The Storm
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Zeouterlimits
Member
21" to 23" is a nice size.
But it could work? We're not sure what this version of forge can handle before dropping frame rate?
*fistbump* Fellow ForgeGAF Member. I salute you!
Sky maps worked fine but all that unused clutter around the floating map was having issues. Also, it gets really boring seeing grey maps and even more so if its grey and floating.
Its only 10 maps?
Did Reach had more wirhout DLC?
Major Williams
Member
Yeah. I have to Catch a flight later that day so I'm hoping I'll still be able to get the package before I leave.
Yup.
But don't worry, they've already got planned DLC; in about a year we should be golden, especially considering the stellar track record of DLC being incorporated into Matchmaking
The Librarian
Banned
Genesis Knight
Member
Reach had 9 IIRC.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
So no Covenant maps, eh? Just greys and browns?
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Yea, 343 was awful at that with past Halo games....
edit: Is there a switch to turn off the ridiculous amount of useless sarcasm in this thread?
Vire
Member
Zeouterlimits
Member
Yeah, the Forge piece decisions are.. questionable. Love to see what went on there.
*Putting food on Frankie's table since 1911
Oof. Could always buy a normal edition copy on the day if things came to shove.*
*Putting food on Frankie's table since 1911
It's not only a problem with performance. If the only big flat objects look the same as the rest of the palette it will end up looking really bland and it will make it harder to orientate yourself.
I think the IGN one is the biggest.
Rickenslacker
Banned
I just imagine a dude involuntarily breaking into a spasm of WOOOOHs while driving and it puts the most hilarious image in my head. Reminds me a bit of the ghost blowjob comic strip.
Huh I see what you means its really unfortunate. I haven't seen all the forge maps yet. But I'm surprised they wouldn't add a space for this. :/
Which?
squidhands
Member
I'm fairly certain that NO ONE asked for fixed, undulating terrain when begging for a better Forge. All we really need is a flat space with a pretty skybox that can help differentiate sides. It's all about the pieces and how we use them to make interesting spaces, not how we can adapt our symmetrical design to some rolling terrain or a big base on the edge of an asteroid.
Everything in the video looks really pretty, but I feel like they missed the biggest thing that people wanted. BIG FLAT OPEN SPACES to do whatever we wanted. But instead we get partially complete, permanent structures to build around and Griffball court that will barely be used once the Griffball community starts building their own better maps. argh
Why are there ANY permanent structures on any of these maps? My mind is blown; people who love to forge don't like to build shit off existing structures, this was proven back in Halo 3 once Sandbox arrived and we didn't have to adapt around Foundry's un-deletable wall and that damnable crane. Making a map like Facing Worlds would have been perfect, if only you could delete the useless building.
Ravine looks just as bad; no large flat areas to just build what you want. I almost laughed out loud at the "little nook that you could...do some stuff" comment. I feel like they're trying to sell all three maps to people who have never forged before, but somehow have felt too intimidated to try it. I feel like none of these three spaces were designed for people like me.
Maybe it's a perspective thing, where I'm not getting a sense of the scale on these maps and what we'll actually be able to do with them. But after watching these two videos, I'm pretty disheartened as a forger.
Reagan's BR
Banned
I watched the Gamespot video on mute during a meeting. So I had to look away now and then. But what I saw really bummed me out.
All I want in a Forge map is a big open space to build a map on. Basically a space like this:
Only about 3x the size. Toss in some rounded terrain objects to add hills, and bam. The perfect Forge space.
Did I miss this spot? From what I did see, I couldn't find a single place I wanted to make a map. What I want to do is build an understanding of Halo 4's combat sandbox. Then I want to look at the Forge objects. And then sit down with a pencil and pad of graph paper, dream up a map, and build it. That's what I did with Halo 3's Forge, and I built a number of maps that played pretty well and that I was quite proud of.
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I poured dozens of hours into these maps, and loved doing so, despite the crude tool set, because I could build what I wanted to build, limited only by the object budget. I didn't see anywhere on any of the three Forge maps shown on the Gamespot video that's just a blank slate. They were all very detailed, undulating, busy spaces like Forge World (except for the Grifball court).
Please tell me I missed it. Or that's it's not shown yet.
I completely agree. Sandbox had a great flat area with ground that looked natural. The combination of sand and stone made the ground bearable. These forge maps look really small. I doubt we will see many BTB maps on them. In fact I'm worried about the amount of space there is for floating maps. Is there enough room for something the size of uncaged or lockout? This definitely just killed peoples dreams of huge race tracks like in Reach.
One other thing that annoyed me is the interior areas look too small and awkward to work with; the remind me of foundry and some of them actually look smaller than that.
Lol Hyper destroyed them both. Really cool video
Forge maps look interesting, but they lack Covenant themes
So... did the SPanish guy leak anything for now?
Last map revealed (leaked).
Reagan's BR
Banned
These maps are tiny. Where is my blank slate? Why is there so much prebuilt structure?
TurkishDLite
Banned
Where was it leaked?
Hydranockz
Member
I don't necessarily agree. I think the scale when floating above them in monitor mode is very misleading. I hope I'm wrong, but the moonbase doors on Impact look like tiny crouch spaces from above.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Thanks!
Anything to watch out for in terms of input lag and so on? I know it can really cripple some monitors - but I have no idea what I should be looking for/ aiming to avoid.
Btw Dax - cant wait to go back and read some of the spoilers for The Thursday War when I finish it - seems like some interesting discussion already happened regarding it.
The IGN Map that was leaked was map #9 out of 10 correct?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Yes.
Hydranockz
Member
Looking back to Halo 3, Sandbox was a glorious level from a geometric view. The Crypt was flat and enclosed. The ground was flat with sand walls for more open maps. The Sky was pretty damn flat too
Future DLC? That'd be a shame.
Future DLC? That'd be a shame.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
So is the Halo 4 leak legit?
So...Awesome. Bring it on.
That looks awkward as hell, but I like the visor. :lol
I like the visuals of the cave map a lot, the geometry pieces also seems to have some rust on em so they won't look as sterile.. That said..there is no good terrain to build on like sandbox! I really just feel like Forge is a huge let down this time around.. Why not have terrain pieces that we can place? Blah. Also, Ravine looks like a slightly better looking Forge World, but it really isn't doing it for me. So visually bland.
So...Awesome. Bring it on.
Looks pretty sweet.
That looks awkward as hell, but I like the visor. :lol
I like the visuals of the cave map a lot, the geometry pieces also seems to have some rust on em so they won't look as sterile.. That said..there is no good terrain to build on like sandbox! I really just feel like Forge is a huge let down this time around.. Why not have terrain pieces that we can place? Blah. Also, Ravine looks like a slightly better looking Forge World, but it really isn't doing it for me. So visually bland.
TurkishDLite
Banned
So the last map isn't known still right?
Gabotron ES
Member
Don't you guys think Erosion's rusty pieces will look a bit out of place inside that coliseum looking zone?
Congratulations!
Right, I think someone said last week on here that it was supposed to be a small symetrical map.
Reagan's BR
Banned
I'm not even sure if there is enough room for a floating map like uncaged or lockout.
No... and no.
Wow. See... this is the part I have real trouble with. I remember folks, in Reach's early days, lamenting how they had no way to handle back-to-back encounters with a DMR they way they did with Halo 2's BR - they'd be too low on health to handle the second (or third) enemy. This implies an ability to dominate, as an individual, that went away between Halo 2 and Reach.
And I have no clue at all what you're talking about when you mention zerglings - most of the high-level Halo 3 play I remember watching involved setups that spread team members AROUND THE MAPS - setting up spawntraps on Guardian, or The Pit, or Narrows. You couldn't do that if everyone was in one place, or focused on one shooting location.
Clearly, we have different memories of how older games played out. And I really don't feel competent to argue the finer points of high-level strategy, since all I know of it is what I've watched; I don't play at that level, and I don't study it. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I'd hoped to understand where you were coming from - but I just don't get it.
It depends if all of the Forge Pallet stuff for that map is all rusted up. Would be nice to have some broken up platforms and walls etc.
The space stuff is UNSC, so it is bound to be clean and shiny. I was hoping the cave stuff would be rusted/slimy and the outdoor stuff being grassed over with plants sprouting up.
If only they would add the option to make maps and then when it pre-bakes all the shadows etc, it also adds map options to age things or change their style.
V V
Exactly. I'd prefer if i could have differently colored floor, gray and gray is not exactly ideal.
Now i don't actually have much use for superflats so it won't be much of an issue in the end for me, i just hate not having the option for it.
The Coliseum in Halo Reach FW doesn't count, it was an inside area, all gray and had poor lighting.
EDIT oh and i hate building above ground level. No one of my tries turned out to be working, takes way too many pieces.
I think we're missing the scale of these maps. It looked like the middle building on the asteroid forge environment was at least 2 full stories tall. That would make the bottom openings taller than a spartan and the side "windows" which the monitor flies through in the video would be another full spartan tall.
Would be great to see some video of a few spartans running around these spaces - even if it was just players jumping around, not necessarily fighting - for the sake of scale.
Reagan's BR
Banned
I just remembered that one clip of man cannon from the forerunner forge area I guess the maps are big enough for floating maps. I am gong to miss the scale of Forge World and the flat area from Sandbox.
Still not thrilled about the prebuilt structures.
squidhands
Member
What really gets me is that all these permanent structures seem half-assed in implementation. They could have created three more fixed, matchmaking-ready maps in those spots, while offering the rest of the space up for forging on each of the maps. Instead we get partial, non-deletable items that hamper any ability to forge an original creation in its place.
I'm sure "performance issue" is the logical quick response, but I just don't understand the logic behind what I'm seeing so far.
Just give us Sandbox but then give us Snowbox, Spacebox and GrassBox.
Cannto take that much more work to have an open area. They do all this fancy terrain modelling and that is not what Forgers just want. Save yourself the time and put that time into making more objects or features that Forgers want.Reagan's BR
Banned
Yep. The prefect forge area would be the size of forge world and would have one giant "grifball" area, one large flat area ala Sandbox, one blood gulch/containment/sidewinder sized area, and a big open sky area for floating maps.
Reagan's BR
Banned
Just give us Sandbox but then give us Snowbox, Spacebox and GrassBox.
Here is to hoping that Halo 5 lets us build custom BSPs
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
So no Covenant maps, eh? Just greys and browns?
More of a reason that one of the map packs (hopefully the first) will be Covenant themed.
The Forge environments are looking good. They definitely deserve at least one map from each in matchmaking..
Mister Negative
Member
i want to play halo 4
Demoncarnotaur
Member
I think forge for Halo 4 was a huge swing and a miss.
Yup. Also, since the griffball arena was built in, couldn't they have made it look a little better? I mean it looks like it was made in Forge anyways.
Yup. Also, since the griffball arena was built in, couldn't they have made it look a little better? I mean it looks like it was made in Forge anyways.