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Games Journalism! Wainwright/Florence/Tomb Raider/Eurogamer/Libel Threats/Doritos
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Neuromancer
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I'd totally eat one (once I'm off this low fat diet anyway.) Looks repulsive and yet, I can't help but wonder what it would taste and feel like in my mouth.
The two concepts aren't mutually exclusive. It's perfectly possible to have relatively light and enthusiastic games writing without laughable, elementary breaches in journalistic ethics that throw into question the honesty of your opinions and your general veracity.
It's not like it has to be particularly hard-hitting work, though on occasion it can and should have an investigative bent and reach into more important topics relevant to the industry. If your intention as a games writer is to give honest assessments, then it helps to keep certain very basic things in check, e.g. your relationship to the people whose work you're covering. That doesn't even require being a 'journalist'; it requires a modicum of sense.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
She's a nobody, it's past the point of pointing and laughing at this point.
Most game journalism is just really PR.
Have you seen what she's done? Basically nothing.
Even writing about games that are S-E's direct competitors is a lapse in IGN's screening process. No one should be taking a paycheck from a publisher.
I dont fucking know! I want to know too! I'm weirdly obsessed with the HNGNHNHNGNGHNGH!! I'm... sort of picturing it as the sound you make when trying to hold in ass-pee. (sorry)
John Rabbit
Banned
in a year's month's week's time no one is going to care about this idiot girl or her idiot, self-serving and deceptive behavior. nobody.
there is no justice to be had here.
there is no justice to be had here.
AHappyPanda
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So beautiful.
I have never seen that image before and now I adore it.
DangerStepp
Member
Everyone in the office is wondering why I'm chuckling.So beautiful.
I haven't seen this before... Thanks!
Meccanical
Member
How can people be so hostile towards him? So disappointing.
This is one hell of a day.
I dunno, I guess I just don't think eternal public humiliation is an acceptable "punishment" for saying something foolish, particularly when the people who are crucifying her only do so because they can hide behind the veil of anonymity.
We all make mistakes and say/do stupid things. The fact that this person who is studying to be a journalist is now having her reputation besmirched before she even leaves college, that sucks. Recruiters are going to look up her name and she's gonna be linked to this shit storm, and it's because a bunch of people who never even heard of her decided to go on a witch hunt after they read a tweet they didn't like.
SolidSnakex
Member
How can people be so hostile towards him? So disappointing.
He basically exposed a big industry gathering between journalists and PR. That's not going to go over well with a lot of people.
Stick your fingers down your throat and wait a couple of seconds
It'll taste like that
I hope you're enjoying the irony of having described what is basically the mechanics of investigative journalism as cyberstalking when it's conducted by forumgoers.
I would have agreed with you before the whole libel/censorship/resignation fiasco occurred. But by sending that takedown request to Eurogamer, she's made herself a public figure, and has invited all the scrutiny being one involves.
like getting teabagged into oblivion by sugar and caffeine
How can people be so hostile towards him? So disappointing.
Does that mean other game journalists are covering for Wainwright and threatening him? As they would be the ones with access to PR events...?
Just caught up on the thread.
Wow, how can you possibly be that stupid, Wainright? Now I don't like to wish for people to lose their jobs, but really, she has tried her very hardest to prove that she doesn't deserve a job in journalism. How fucking shady can you be? Jesus.
Wow, how can you possibly be that stupid, Wainright? Now I don't like to wish for people to lose their jobs, but really, she has tried her very hardest to prove that she doesn't deserve a job in journalism. How fucking shady can you be? Jesus.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Yep. It's like going to a Gun Club and revealing Mitt Romney sells everyone the guns so they can vote for him.
(OMEGA HYPERBOLE!)
AHappyPanda
Member
How can people be so hostile towards him? So disappointing.
We want names! *rabble rabble rabble*
I love whistleblowers in any industry, but to see one in an industry I've been so close with since a young age is amazing.
TemplaerDude
Member
How can people be so hostile towards him? So disappointing.
Fuck, this is absolute bullshit. Fuck this stupid industry.
Nothing to do with libel laws, Eurogamer just caved from the very first threat.
That's on Eurogamer.
Jesus, I've only read that first article, and I'm cringing. I get having to write advertised content. I'm a fellow unemployed journalist, and let me tell you, even with great credentials, it's hard to find a job. But good lord, do your advertising writing in another venue, one where you won't have to worry about conflict of interest.
I'm more interested in why you feel working in the gaming press means you don't have to worry about things like ethics.
I would also question her being nothing
She wrote a review that appeared in The Sun newspaper likely while being paid by the company that made the game. The Sun is (shamefully) the most popular newspaper in the UK by a quite significant margin. It is not unlikely that more people would have seen that review than any review on a specialist website
Though, to be fair, they are not the only ones doing this. People writing for music,movie, celebrity sites etc. pretty much do the same
Meccanical
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It just keeps escalating.
D
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You know what?
She can end this at any time.
If she comes clean, owns up to trying to cover everything up, and apologizes about threatening a lawsuit over some bullshit (assuming that part is true), and then commits to actually doing a good job, this whole thing will cool down and blow over.
Instead? She continues to dig a hole. We all make mistakes, but people need to realize that what they did was a mistake and own up to it.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
How can people be so hostile towards him? So disappointing.
Cardinal rule (for some) - Don't rock the boat, bite the hand that feeds you etc.
The same two defenses get trotted out whenever the ugly truth of
At least until the fury dies down, and they can get back to using twitter for self-fellatio again, until the next incident causes light to fall upon the cockroaches of the industry.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
How can people be so hostile towards him? So disappointing.
Did he delete this tweet?
There's irony in the fact that this was published on Eurogamer.
Their Darkfall review a few years ago by a lazy freelance hack who'd obviously barely played the game, and the subsequent whitewash, is one of the most blatant examples of UK game journos covering each other's arses when one of them is exposed as inept.
Their Darkfall review a few years ago by a lazy freelance hack who'd obviously barely played the game, and the subsequent whitewash, is one of the most blatant examples of UK game journos covering each other's arses when one of them is exposed as inept.
Wow, he should just keep going and expose the guys who said this.
How can people be so hostile towards him? So disappointing.
He kicked the hornets nest. Sad to say hes the martyr. Hopefully change happens to the disgusting part of the games journalism industry
papersleeves
Member
He basically said in public what everyone already knew. It's just that nobody really cared to talk about it before this whole mess up.
SolidSnakex
Member
This article from a Forbes contributor is really good
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...ence-leaves-eurogamer-after-libel-complaints/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...ence-leaves-eurogamer-after-libel-complaints/
Andrefpvs
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edit: beaten
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Thanks. Dunno why my Twitter is refusing to refresh. Edit: OH, that tweet is from yesterday. Didn't realise.
That was Eidos prior to the Square Enix purchase.
Err, there is no conclusive evidence in any of that. Her two SE reviews came out in 2010 and August 2011. The Tomb Raider piece was published in November 2011. The game she consulted on was not released in the west until January 2012, and unless I'm missing something nothing she's said indicates she worked on it before those articles were published.
Anyway, the tweet she made that everyone is using as proof of hypocrisy states that she didn't review the games she consulted on, not that she never reviewed squenix games.
Not sure Squeenix owned Eidos at that point did they?
Let me make this clear, I think what she did was stupid and handled in the worst possible way and that she really exacerbated the whole situation with the takedown request.
That said, I would put forth that the difference between cyberstalking and investigative journalism is in the intent. Investigative journalism is done by a professional in an effort to discover the truth. This "cyberstalking" is done only to antagonize someone that has done something that people don't like.
It's the difference between a police officer shooting a crook in the line of duty and a mob of vigilantes breaking into the crook's house and murdering him.
Nope. Square bought Eidos in 2009. Kane and Lynch came out in 2007.
Which proves the point he made on the article. In the end, the behavior of PR and "journalists" joining forces against the article actually proved the whole point of the article.
Unfortunately he ended up losing his job.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
How can people be so hostile towards him? So disappointing.
What are PR people going to do to him exactly?! Rab would just throw a 2lt bottle of Jinga right in their faces.
Attention Journalists, I have some information for you:
Mountain dew & dorito Cupcakes!
You will need:
Mountain Dew
Boxed cake mix lemon or white
Frosting (vanilla) but you can use butter cream if you like
Doritos
First boiled a can of mountain dew on the stove to try and carmalize it a little bit then added that to the cake mix instead of water. Next mix it then bake per box instructions.
For the frosting boil another can of mountain dew then mix it with the vanilla frosting and top the cupcakes with the frosting and crushed up doritos!
Mountain dew & dorito Cupcakes!
You will need:
Mountain Dew
Boxed cake mix lemon or white
Frosting (vanilla) but you can use butter cream if you like
Doritos
First boiled a can of mountain dew on the stove to try and carmalize it a little bit then added that to the cake mix instead of water. Next mix it then bake per box instructions.
For the frosting boil another can of mountain dew then mix it with the vanilla frosting and top the cupcakes with the frosting and crushed up doritos!
How can people be so hostile towards him? So disappointing.
The truth hurts. Expose these ¤%&#.
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