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Virtue's Last Reward SPOILER Thread

SoulUnison

Banned
Thinking back on it now, Dio's Ending has a lot of fridge horror in it. He knew they were on the Moon. He didn't need to bludgeon Phi to death with the rock, he just needed to compromise her suit. Then, Sigma and Phi unwitting follow him off to a Free the Soul secret base. Best case scenario theywere murdered upon arrival. Worst case, Free the Soul knows or figures out their importance to the AB Project and makes forcible use of their abilities.

It also puts a couple of the other endings in a different light. Thank god everyone was terrified of the idea of Radical 6 being highly contagious and present in the air on "Earth." Can you imagine if in, say, the True Ending path, someone had gone: "Finally, some fresh air!" and taken their helmet off?
 

SoulUnison

Banned
Hmm, doesn't the whole "stronger espers cancel out the power of weaker espers" contradict everything we know about the first nonary game? Why kidnap 16 kids when only two (the strongest sender, and the strongest reciever) could do anything?

Well, for the first game, wasn't morphogenetic field theory fairly new and unexplored? They might not have known that was the case, and this would have been their process to discover that about the phenomonea. Or, alternatively, maybe as fresh, untrained epsers, they were all on roughly the same "level" and thus canceled eachother out very little, if at all.
 

Eusis

Member
Hmm, doesn't the whole "stronger espers cancel out the power of weaker espers" contradict everything we know about the first nonary game? Why kidnap 16 kids when only two (the strongest sender, and the strongest reciever) could do anything?
I wonder if maybe they just don't fully understand it and are making assumptions? It's probably more plausible that Snake's dead (or been instructed to ignore), or they're too far away so it's a moot point.
Can you imagine if in, say, the True Ending path, someone had gone: "Finally, some fresh air!" and taken their helmet off?
Unless it was Luna, then it'd be screwing with them. Though I imagine it could screw up her fake flesh.
 

Roto13

Member
I didn't even realize there was another epilogue. I thought everyone was just talking about the Young Akane epilogue.
 

kiryogi

Banned
I've decoded them all:

Zero bomb: LXA QNS GDQ

MY BROTHER

One bomb: BQZ RGJ DXR

CRASH KEYS

Two bomb: EQD DYR NTK

FREE Z SOUL

Three Bomb: LXQ LHC NMR

MYRMIDONS



Akane IS a jerk. She kidnaps a bunch of people to save herself, and kills a couple dudes all for revenge.

Arguably everything she does is necessary for the greater good, and because of time whackiness the good people never really die, but she's very ruthless and calculating. Not evil, but very scary nonetheless.


What I don't get about those bomb passwords is that they all correlate to free the soul..... Minus one. Why is the 2nd one Kurashiki? Am I just looking too deep into this and this is something the devs just did for fun?
 

SoulUnison

Banned
I wonder if maybe they just don't fully understand it and are making assumptions? It's probably more plausible that Snake's dead (or been instructed to ignore), or they're too far away so it's a moot point.

I was of the theory that Clover's resonance wasn't working because of the presence of Akane and, to a lesser extent, Junpei, who I assume are just about the two strongest espers there are. Though I don't know if Morphogenetic Access is something you have to consciously be performing, or if it's something you're "giving off" at all times, subconsciously.
 
I wonder if maybe they just don't fully understand it and are making assumptions? It's probably more plausible that Snake's dead (or been instructed to ignore), or they're too far away so it's a moot point.

My guess is it doesn't completely weaken the other espers, Clover just assumed it would completely cancel her out since she didn't consider she was both on the moon, and separated from Light by 45 years.
 

perorist

Unconfirmed Member
Wait I just thought of something - everyone is supposed to be already infected with radical 6.

So how come on Luna's path when Phi and Sigma go into the security room you still see the speed up symptoms of radical 6 taking effect through Sigma's eyes?

It's like he got double strength symptoms for a while because if he wasn't already infected then the world/everyone else would be moving really slow already and Phi wouldn't have been able to do her superjump out of the elevator, which is canon in every route.

Kinda tempted to do a mini playthrough (listening to some of the better scenes) in Japanese.

Where does K talk about his past?
Phi's gasp when you enter in the PC password is great in JP. Also Miyuki Sawashiro does a great young Akane so watch that too.
 

Alec

Member
It's like he got double strength symptoms for a while because if he wasn't already infected then the world/everyone else would be moving really slow already and Phi wouldn't have been able to do her superjump out of the elevator, which is canon in every route.

I had assumed this was more of Phi's Rad-6 wearing off, causing her to behave at a normal pace.

I think about someone uninfected watching everyone interact with eachother, and they're allllll spppppeeeaaaakkkkiinnngggggg veeerrrryyyyyy ssssllloooowwwwlllyyyyyyy the whole time, heh.

As far as the jumping, I think that everyone probably could've jumped like that if they tried. It was only the mind that was afected, not the strength of the body...right?
 
Wait I just thought of something - everyone is supposed to be already infected with radical 6.

So how come on Luna's path when Phi and Sigma go into the security room you still see the speed up symptoms of radical 6 taking effect through Sigma's eyes?

It's like he got double strength symptoms for a while because if he wasn't already infected then the world/everyone else would be moving really slow already and Phi wouldn't have been able to do her superjump out of the elevator, which is canon in every route.


Phi's gasp when you enter in the PC password is great in JP. Also Miyuki Sawashiro does a great young Akane so watch that too.

I'm guessing you can have flare ups with the disease.

Magenta route, then through the REC room... but you know there is no voice during that part.

Damn I forgot.

edit: Wat... Alternate End has no voice acting at all in Japanese?
 

kiryogi

Banned
Both audio tracks have their perks. I think I prefer Laura Bailey ovr Mamiko Noto for Luna (might be a bias. Never been a huge fan of her

But on the other hand I liked jp old Akane. Dub ver a bit too slow for me. It's like comparing the two dumbledores.
 
Listened to some of the sound clips. Overall I'm happy I played it in English. Good dub is good. Hearing things in the language I speak makes them have a greater impact anyway.

And I much prefer English K.
 

perorist

Unconfirmed Member
I had assumed this was more of Phi's Rad-6 wearing off, causing her to behave at a normal pace.

I think about someone uninfected watching everyone interact with eachother, and they're allllll spppppeeeaaaakkkkiinnngggggg veeerrrryyyyyy ssssllloooowwwwlllyyyyyyy the whole time, heh.

As far as the jumping, I think that everyone probably could've jumped like that if they tried. It was only the mind that was afected, not the strength of the body...right?
But Phi never took the antibody and I don't think radical 6 randomly wears off at intervals or everyone would make a mess out of trying to understanding each other.
 

Kagari

Crystal Bearer
Listened to some of the sound clips. Overall I'm happy I played it in English. Good dub is good. Hearing things in the language I speak makes them have a greater impact anyway.

And I much prefer English K.

I started with the dub as well and I'm glad I did.
 
But Phi never took the antibody and I don't think radical 6 randomly wears off at intervals or everyone would make a mess out of trying to understanding each other.

Also Quark had the same symptoms as Sigma, right before he entered suicide mode. Random flare ups is the best bet imo.

Anyway whoever was the English VA for Zero III needs to play a major character in the next game.
 

Alec

Member
But Phi never took the antibody and I don't think radical 6 randomly wears off at intervals or everyone would make a mess out of trying to understanding each other.

So then I guess it 'flared up' in Sigma and he started seeing the world at 1\12th instead of 1\6th?
 

LiK

Member
Both audio tracks have their perks. I think I prefer Laura Bailey ovr Mamiko Noto for Luna (might be a bias. Never been a huge fan of her

But on the other hand I liked jp old Akane. Dub ver a bit too slow for me. It's like comparing the two dumbledores.

Bailey's VO for Luna was just fantastic. So sweet and innocent.
 

GSR

Member
I have to say I really liked the English voice cast. Clover was probably the weakest of them, but most of the other performances were pretty great. Zero III of course runs away with the award, but I also really liked Phi, K, and Dio as well. It was also cool to hear the protagonist (whoever he is) speaking in Another Timeline.
 

Busaiku

Member
Was my/Kyle's VA also K's?
Kinda sounded similar, but there was a lot of noise going around me at the time, so couldn't confirm.
 

LiK

Member
I have to say I really liked the English voice cast. Clover was probably the weakest of them, but most of the other performances were pretty great. Zero III of course runs away with the award, but I also really liked Phi, K, and Dio as well. It was also cool to hear the protagonist (whoever he is) speaking in Another Timeline.

agree, she sorta lacked the same emotions and there was even one part where i heard a Southern accent and it didn't sound intentional. is the VA from the South?
 

kiryogi

Banned
Bailey's VO for Luna was just fantastic. So sweet and innocent.

I think it's probably the best performance I've heard from her yet.

Funny thing regarding Phi tho, so a friend of mine played the JP ver and voiced her concerns that dub Phi had way too much emotion. How its funny is due to the fact that JP Phi is voiced by Chiaki Omigawa, who's like the queen of no emotion(or fail acting). But maybe she's right in terms of the character.
 

LiK

Member
I think it's probably the best performance I've heard from her yet.

Funny thing regarding Phi tho, so a friend of mine played the JP ver and voiced her concerns that dub Phi had way too much emotion. How its funny is due to the fact that JP Phi is voiced by Chiaki Omigawa, who's like the queen of no emotion(or fail acting). But maybe she's right in terms of the character.

wow really? i felt Phi had a pretty stoic performance throughout except when she freaked. the JPN VO for her sounds like Ali Hillis' VO for Lightning. Totally bland.
 

kiryogi

Banned
wow really? i felt Phi had a pretty stoic performance throughout except when she freaked. the JPN VO for her sounds like Ali Hillis' VO for Lightning. Totally bland.
Hence Chiaki Omigawa. If you watched Soul Eater, and she was Maka.
 
I have to say I really liked the English voice cast. Clover was probably the weakest of them, but most of the other performances were pretty great. Zero III of course runs away with the award, but I also really liked Phi, K, and Dio as well. It was also cool to hear the protagonist (whoever he is) speaking in Another Timeline.

You were hearing K's voice. The body determines your voice, not your consciousness.

Also agreed with Clover being the weakest. But her voice was fitting in that sense, because Clover was also the weakest least interesting character aside from Quark.

Nope. Kyle is voiced by Troy Baker. K's is Travis Willingham.

That's dumb that they didn't keep it the same. Anyway props to Travis. Awesome voice.
 

GSR

Member
Oh, and gut character rankings:

Phi > Sigma > K > Luna > Tenmyouji > Alice > Dio > Quark > Clover

Phi and Sigma in particular are at their best around each other. Their banter was some of my favorite stuff in the game, and in-story it was really fun seeing them trying to make sense of what was going on. But they're both awesome on their own.

K could be a jerk at times, but at the end of the day I think he wanted to do well. His ending was one of my favorites, and his backstory is really a tearjerker, especially when you know who his father/the old woman/his robot 'mother' are.

Luna sort of felt like "June" done better. Above all she was a good and kind person, but you still had room for suspicion. Her backstory was pretty tragic as well, and the entire ending portion of her path when Sigma and Phi are trying to figure out if she's a killer is really great.

Tenmyouji was an interesting character, and it was fun to see bits of old Junpei poking through (the discussion of his videos and the like), and of course the scenes in the Q room and the B. Garden at the end are really something. A really big chunk of his time was spent on Quark though (who I didn't much like).

Alice was a pretty decent character, but she sort of suffers the same issue as Quark in that so much of the time her story get sort of cracked down on by Radical 6. I was also a little disappointed that her backstory had nothing to do with All-ice and that she didn't have too much to her backstory besides what I'd known from Japanese promotions. But the scene in the B. Garden of her breaking down after trying to betray Sigma a second time was really well done.

Dio is... well, he's an asshole through and through. As far as villains go, I much preferred Ace, who had the great, nice-guy front over a truly merciless core. Still, his backstory was moderately interesting, and his ending was much better than I'd expected (I figured he'd just off Sigma and Phi once they got through the door, but nope.)

Quark kind of suffers as a character because he spends so much of the game unconscious. Even when he is awake and not insane, he doesn't really do much except bicker with Dio if they pick betray and make a bunch of references to Tenmyouji. I mean, if I'm not miseremembering, the only puzzle room you solve with him is the Director's Office. Also, his ending is really abrupt, though Sigma making Dio drag him to the 9 door so he could cut off his hand was an awesome scene.

I feel kind of bad for putting Clover at the end, but I thought she was a lot weaker in VLR than 999. In 999 Clover was genuinely sympathetic after Snake's death, but after Alice's she just goes around raging at everyone. I mean, she did in 999 as well, but in VLR it just sort of got grating. She also had the weakest VA of the group.
 
K could be a jerk at times, but at the end of the day I think he wanted to do well. His ending was one of my favorites, and his backstory is really a tearjerker, especially when you know who his father/the old woman/his robot 'mother' are.

K is only a jerk when its rational to be one, and even then he generally apologizes. Like when he tricks you into allying. But he respects human life and promises in general. He's awesome.
 

Kazerei

Banned
What I don't get about those bomb passwords is that they all correlate to free the soul..... Minus one. Why is the 2nd one Kurashiki? Am I just looking too deep into this and this is something the devs just did for fun?

Kurashiki correlates to Free the Soul, too!

The robe Akane wears in the ending (in the past) has the Free the Soul symbol on it.

I don't know if "Kurashiki" refers to Akane, Aoi or perhaps someone else in the family, but there's definitely something weird going on.

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GSR

Member
The 999 answers make the robe thing even more interesting. Note that those robes are the same ones Snake wears in 999, then consider this answer from Uchikoshi:

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What did the robe Snake was wearing after you rescue him out of the coffin mean? And what did the flags next to the coffin mean?

Well... We sort of made Nagisa Nijisaki wear Snake's clothes... I believe the only other thing he could have worn were those ceremonial clothes in Building Q. I think Akane and Santa felt bad that they made Snake naked. As a side note, that ceremonial outfit belonged to Gordain. Back in the day, he and his friends were conducting strange ceremonies in the incinerator. As another side note, the Nonary Game wasn't Gentarou's idea: It was Gordain's. He would take young Englishmen who'd accumulated massive debts and force them to play games on the ship. He would enjoy the show with his millionaire friends and they would bet money on who would survive. All the losers were burned in the incinerator as a sacrifice during the ceremony... After many years of this, Gordain died of old age but the games continued. In the final game, Gentarou was abducted and forced to participate. He was victorious, and felt that if he could win the game, then he could come up with a better one. he told Gordain's successor and his fellow millionaires as much. They decided it sounded interesting, and told him to do it. That was what lead to the Nonary Game that happened 9 years before 999. Of course, Gentarou's true intention was to test the theory of morphogenetic fields, but that was the story behind the Nonary game. He inherited the ship from the millionaires and hosted the game. That was how he got all the funding as well. In other words, there were millionaires watching the game 9 years before 999 and placing bets on who would live and who would die. Yes, they were truly rotten people. That was also when Gentarou found the mandrake root in the coffin. He used that root to create the drug, Soporil, that made him a millionaire.
 

Venfayth

Member
Yeah, as I mentioned earlier, there's definitely something more going on with Akane and the Free the Soul people than was properly explained in the game.
 

Caelestis

Member
Some speculation here, but what are the chances that Quark's body didn't have Quark's soul in it? The way he wanted to get out of that body when he was infected made me think that it's someone who would know about mind being able to travel between bodies. Also, he also seemed to not care about Junpei all that much and was willing to betray him to get out quicker, which I think is a bit strange since he was his only family.
 
Some speculation here, but what are the chances that Quark's body didn't have Quark's soul in it? The way he wanted to get out of that body when he was infected made me think that it's someone who would know about mind being able to travel between bodies. Also, he also seemed to not care about Junpei all that much and was willing to betray him to get out quicker, which I think is a bit strange since he was his only family.

Pretty sure it was a hint that Free the Soul was behind Radical 6.

Also what are you talking about? He never betrays Junpei... unless you actually believe Dio's obvious lie.
 

Kagari

Crystal Bearer
Old Akane epilogue is confusing. :(

Think of it like multiple worlds. Say for example you have a decision between two choices. In one reality you chose one, but in another reality, you chose the other. The multiple realities in VLR are like that.
 

Caelestis

Member
Pretty sure it was a hint that Free the Soul was behind Radical 6.

Also what are you talking about? He never betrays Junpei... unless you actually believe Dio's obvious lie.
I was thinking in a scenario if it wasn't a lie. Was it proved 100% that it was? May be I missed it.

Another thing, I wish they would reveal more about Phi. She is the cover girl, yet I feel after finishing the game like she is as much of a mystery as she was at the beginning.
 
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