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Games Journalism! Wainwright/Florence/Tomb Raider/Eurogamer/Libel Threats/Doritos

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Good Job Bob

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grimshawish said:
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Lol last thing for the night, just wanted to see how it would look :D
Pretty shitty but hey.
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Is it okay if I use this as my avatar?
 
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Oxx

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Geoff will be fine. He has been smart enough to keep his head down through all this.

Plus, advertisers will love the amount of visibility he has given those two brands.
 
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LorDjidane

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Guys, I agree this is funny and stuff. I just wanted a quick look at something discussed a few pages ago about youtube videocasters and such.
A few people here repeatedly said "you'd be surprised to know how much money they make". I would really like to be surprised. Can anyone give this kind of info? I just choked on the 19yo dude being proprietary of his apartment thanks to youtube money.
 
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Joe Shlabotnik

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LorDjidane said:
Guys, I agree this is funny and stuff. I just wanted a quick look at something discussed a few pages ago about youtube videocasters and such.
A few people here repeatedly said "you'd be surprised to know how much money they make". I would really like to be surprised. Can anyone give this kind of info? I just choked on the 19yo dude being proprietary of his apartment thanks to youtube money.
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One of those teen CoD videocasters bought a new Mercedes with his YT money, so I'd assume at least six figures in a year is possible.
 
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CadetMahoney

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Jharp said:
This thread and this controversy appears to be moving too fast for my feeble mind to keep up. I got everything up to roughly page 60 of this thread, and besides the stuff outlined up until that point, I also caught the laughable Polygon press release posting, as well as Amazon Tony's unfortunate timing.
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I just skim for any funny pics then later on the day am subconsciously tempted to buy some Doritos and MD when at the store.
 
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chickdigger802

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Joe Shlabotnik said:
One of those teen CoD videocasters bought a new Mercedes with his YT money, so I'd assume at least six figures in a year is possible.
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Silly question, but what is the appeal for these youtube folks? Why watch a youtube video of someone playing CoD on your computer, when you can play CoD on your computer?

This isn't sports or something that requires you to go outside o_O.
 
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RedNumberFive

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chickdigger802 said:
Silly question, but what is the appeal for these youtube folks? Why watch a youtube video of someone playing CoD on your computer, when you can play CoD on your computer?

This isn't sports or something that requires you to go outside o_O.
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I don't get it either. Nor do I get the appeal of "Let's Plays". Why spend hours watching some random dude play a game, when you could be doing it yourself. Is this some sort of meta, ironic thing I don't understand?
 
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Hot Coldman

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Flame Lord said:
Because they're funny.



Allegedly
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They have their appeal. Most of it's nonsense that doesn't work outside of the original context, or just dumb glitches where it feels like the punchline is that it's a glitch, but seeing things like people being boxed into corners with riot shields then having care packages dropped on them is pretty funny.
 
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Lancehead

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chickdigger802 said:
Silly question, but what is the appeal for these youtube folks? Why watch a youtube video of someone playing CoD on your computer, when you can play CoD on your computer?

This isn't sports or something that requires you to go outside o_O.
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I don't really see what difference "going outside" makes. If it's something you'd like watching, it's something you'd like to watch.

As for the appeal of watching someone play a game, I don't know, it could be, for many, a better form of expressing what they feel about a certain game.
 
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Flame Lord

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Green Scar said:
They have their appeal. Most of it's nonsense that doesn't work outside of the original context, or just dumb glitches where it feels like the punchline is that it's a glitch, but seeing things like people being boxed into corners with riot shields then having care packages dropped on them is pretty funny.
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I'm not saying they all suck, but it just seems like the most popular ones are typically the worst yet make the most money (PewDiePie is one that comes to mind).
 
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Igo

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Curufinwe said:
True. Ellis and Smith were just as committed to their favorite platform as Shane was.
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Yup. All three had many a cringeworthy moment on 1up Yours, but I always sort of forgave Shane because the dude was an human encylopedia of games. Plus, his Sony love gave some balance to the show back then.

Good times.
 
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Aaron

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chickdigger802 said:
Silly question, but what is the appeal for these youtube folks? Why watch a youtube video of someone playing CoD on your computer, when you can play CoD on your computer?

This isn't sports or something that requires you to go outside o_O.
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They appeal to teenagers, and teenagers are idiots.
 
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Wuthering_Heights

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Arthur Geese ‏@Arthur_Geese

No Rebel FM this week. NeoGAF's gaming journalism thread scared me half to fucking death.

I know it's a parody, but it still cracked me up, haha.
 
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WrenchNinja

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Igo said:
Yup. All three had many a cringeworthy moment on 1up Yours, but I always sort of forgave Shane because the dude was an human encylopedia of games. Plus, his Sony love gave some balance to the show back then.

Good times.
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I'm listening to to the "This Year" podcast, and for 1UP and Shane defends Nintendo as much as Sony. He's like the only one not mocking the Wii and thinks it was going to be successful, lol. Maybe it's just a Japanese thing? I don't know, still in process of listening to it.
 
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Arksy

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Wait so Florence rats out corruption and gets fired, and Wainwright whose credibility is now zero, continues to work for Eurogamer? Well I guess that's one website which deserves no more hits.
 
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Lime

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I originally posted this in the Halo 4 review thread, but I find it relevant to the topic of this thread. It's IGN's Ryan McCaffrey, who apparently seems to *really* like Halo 4:

Amazingly, Halo 4 is not only a success, but a bar-raising triumph for the entire first-person shooter genre. And just how new developer 343Industries has done it will surprise, delight, and excite you.
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Expect your jaw to drop at least once on every level of Halo 4’s eight-mission campaign, especially after crash-landing on the Forerunner planet Requiem, emerging from the wreckage, and ascending a hill whose apex overlooks a gorgeous valley
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Of course, gorgeous graphics are only one responsibility a console’s killer app must bear. Perhaps equal to Halo 4’s monitor-melting visuals is its bar-none, best-in-class sound design. If you think you’ve heard Halo, check your ears and listen again.
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Resplendent set-pieces are ubiquitous during your quest, matched by what is inarguably the finest Halo sandbox yet. Halo 4 feels much more open-ended and organic than Halo Reach’s paint-by-numbers sequences because of its massive scale, scope, and freedom for possibility.
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No console shooter has a richer, deeper, more revered multiplayer history than Halo. So how does Halo 4’s multiplayer suite live up to the legacy in 343’s hands?

It’s golden.
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With Halo 4’s immaculate weapon balancing and gun-for-every-situation combat strategies, it needs only a great crop of multiplayer maps in order to qualify for classic status. Fear not, as 343 packs War Games with 10 mostly stellar stages and three additional Forge-built battlegrounds.
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After soaking in the new game, I am beyond thrilled to be so in love with Halo again, more than I’ve been since Halo 2. Halo 4 is a masterstroke everyone can and should celebrate, and its two guaranteed sequels instantly make the next-generation Xbox a must-own system, with Halo 5 its most anticipated title. Halo has been rebuilt. It has been redefined. And it has been reinvigorated. The Xbox’s original king has returned to his rightful place on the throne.
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The Verdict
Cortana once asked Master Chief what would happen if he missed his target, and in the single greatest line of dialogue in Halo history, Chief replied with the coolest, calmest confidence, "I won’t."

With Halo 4, he doesn't.
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Here's the link to the review if you don't believe your own eyes: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/01/halo-4-review
 
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Rodhull

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Arksy said:
Wait so Florence rats out corruption and gets fired, and Wainwright whose credibility is now zero, continues to work for Eurogamer? Well I guess that's one website which deserves no more hits.
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I don't think she does work for Eurogamer currently. MCV and freelance I think.
 
Interfectum

Interfectum

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After soaking in the new game, I am beyond thrilled to be so in love with Halo again, more than I’ve been since Halo 2. Halo 4 is a masterstroke everyone can and should celebrate, and its two guaranteed sequels instantly make the next-generation Xbox a must-own system, with Halo 5 its most anticipated title. Halo has been rebuilt. It has been redefined. And it has been reinvigorated. The Xbox’s original king has returned to his rightful place on the throne.
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IGN should just replace his review with this image:

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Parallacs

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Arksy said:
Ok but Florence got fired from Eurogamer for ratting her out, correct?
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I think you need to read more of the references. Florence quit Eurogamer in protest.

And he didn't rat her out, he just used her as an example of his concern at the perception of games journalists. Her twitter comments were out there for everyone to see.
 
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Rodhull

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Arksy said:
Ok but Florence got fired from Eurogamer for ratting her out, correct?
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He only wrote a column for them. I don't believe he was a regular member of Eurogamer's staff as he generally is known more for comedy here in the UK. After his column was edited he said he didn't want to write it anymore. From the statement made by Eurogamer's EIC he still wants Florence to write for them so i don't think he was fired.
 
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JDSN

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The Verdict
Cortana once asked Master Chief what would happen if he missed his target, and in the single greatest line of dialogue in Halo history, Chief replied with the coolest, calmest confidence, "I won’t."

With Halo 4, he doesn't.
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Isnt this quote straight from the third Matrix movie?

New article by http://www.pocketgamer.biz, the title?

Opinion: 'Doritosgate' paranoia risks running games journalism into the ground
Rules and regulations won't get us anywhere

Some nice quotes:

However, the debate has since spiralled out of control, with some now questioning the validity of almost every element of a games journalist's day to day life: from tucking into a free lunch at an event to forming any kind of professional or personal relationship with either games PR or the developers themselves.
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Some of the best read stories on PocketGamer.biz, and – indeed – most compelling content published across Steel Media's entire network since its inception has been the result of an initial conversation with a close contact, or a spark triggered by something someone has said socialising at an event.

If, as some suggest, games journalists are to turn down all free food and drink at any events they intend – presumably leaving to find their own solitary sustenance away from the action – then the networking that is essential to this job will fly out of the window.
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Not only are those suggesting all such activities be needlessly outlawed creating a rod for their own backs (look out for the first journalist to rat on another who dares to sneak a piece of quiche at an event, despite his or her editor prohibiting it), but they're also hampering the ability of their writers to do their job.
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Speaking personally, I'm going to carry on building relationships with the people I think ultimately can be most beneficial to this site and, in turn, you the reader.

If that means eating a bit of free potato salad and a chicken sandwich or two while I'm out, or sharing a pint with a developer or someone working in PR, then so be it. If it ever gets to the stage where the relationships that deliver the content you want to read end up leading me astray, then I trust you to let me know one way or another.
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Personally, I think the article is not as offensive as the title makes it out to be, the problem is that the guy simply doesnt get it, I doubt readers and the new set of rules (that few have proposed) will force journalists to become moral absolutists. We understand that the relationship between PR and game journalist is there, it just needs to be constantly evaluated by themselves. Movie critics that get free screenings is not the same as going to Germany to drive some fast cars to review Need for Speed. Also, "rat" out? This prison talk doesnt help with the insular reputation that they have.
 
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conman

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JDSN said:
Isnt this quote straight from the third Matrix movie?

New article by http://www.pocketgamer.biz, the title?

Opinion: 'Doritosgate' paranoia risks running games journalism into the ground
Rules and regulations won't get us anywhere

Some nice quotes:

*snip*

Personally, I think the article is not as offensive as the title makes it out to be, the problem is that the guy simply doesnt get it, I doubt readers and the set of rules (that few have proposed) turns journalists into moral absolutists. We understand that the relationship between PR and game journalist is there, it just needs to be constantly evaluated by themselves. Movie critics that get free screenings is not the same as getting flew to Germany to drive some fast cars to review Need for Speed. Also, "rat" out? This prison talk doesnt help with the insular reputation that they have.
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I can understand and sympathize at least with some games journalists saying they are "tired" of this debate (Totilo, Gerstmann, et al.), but I can't sympathize with people who say that ethical responsibility and ground rules might "run games journalism into the ground." That's some Fox News style paranoid fear-mongering BS right there.
 
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More Fun To Compute

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We are dangerous people who will not stop until everything you love has been burnt to the ground. In a way we are like Al-Quaeda. All because a games journalist once accepted a dorrito from a PR when the brave soul was starving to death to bring us the latest news about how boxes open and fast food deals tied to AAAA games releases.
 
EdwardTivrusky

EdwardTivrusky

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Ben Lawrence, 2K Games UK PR Manager - He's a funny guy.
At least, i think he's having a laugh.

https://twitter.com/TheMoop/status/263268293106876416
"People made homeless by Hurricane Sandy send their condolences to all those affected by this latest, terrible, heart-rending games scandal."

https://twitter.com/TheMoop/status/261130838941519872
"Hungry for a bag of Doritos and a cool glass of refreshing Mountain Dew. In other news - The British Legion Poppy Appeal was launched today."

https://twitter.com/TheMoop/status/261131595111612416
"Such a small pond of squabbling guppies. Reality check people - NO ONE in the wider world gives a flying **** about games 'scandals'. xxx"

https://twitter.com/TheMoop/status/262886285570605057
"Totally ****ing entering this, it sounds ****ing brilliant! pic.twitter.com/T2p1MXOi"

Thanks to Wile E Coyote over at E.G. for this.
 
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Joe Shlabotnik

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Lime said:
I originally posted this in the Halo 4 review thread, but I find it relevant to the topic of this thread. It's IGN's Ryan McCaffrey, who apparently seems to *really* like Halo 4:



Here's the link to the review if you don't believe your own eyes: http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/01/halo-4-review
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It took 5,000 posts to get some of the games press to maybe sort-of re-think their relationship with PR--good luck trying to explain the subtler notion of how hyperbolic, effluvient praise isn't professional either, even if it's genuine.
 
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Coldsnap

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Anyone else holding off on buying Halo 4 because of the Doritos Mnt dew stuff? I hate Doritos and Mnt Dew, that shit is gross and will end up giving you cancer and killing you.
 
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Freeza Under The Shower

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More Fun To Compute said:
We are dangerous people who will not stop until everything you love has been burnt to the ground. In a way we are like Al-Quaeda. All because a games journalist once accepted a dorrito from a PR when the brave soul was starving to death to bring us the latest news about how boxes open and fast food deals tied to AAAA games releases.
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oh please. If you're going to accept a trojan horse, you shouldn't moan about being stabbed to death in the night. You saw what it was, knew what it would do, and accepted anyway.

Besides, it's the dorritos and mountain dew brands that are being targeted, not 'geoff' in particular. Being in that picture doesn't change his other work.

And to be honest, I think he might have even seen an increase in sales on his 'last hours of..' stuff.
 
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Jake Tower

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Joe Shlabotnik said:
It took 5,000 posts to get some of the games press to maybe sort-of re-think their relationship with PR--good luck trying to explain the subtler notion of how hyperbolic, effluvient praise isn't professional either, even if it's genuine.
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True, and I think that's the 'second pillar' of this matter of improving 'games journalism' on the critical side - we, the audience, need to improve. When we can greatly reduce the "why so low?" attitude directed at any less than gushing praise for AAA games, we may be able to get worthwhile games criticism that both acts as buying advice and 'pushes the medium forward' (as douchey as that sounds).
 
Risible

Risible

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EdwardTivrusky said:
Ben Lawrence, 2K Games UK PR Manager - He's a funny guy.
At least, i think he's having a laugh.

https://twitter.com/TheMoop/status/263268293106876416
"People made homeless by Hurricane Sandy send their condolences to all those affected by this latest, terrible, heart-rending games scandal."
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Holy FUCK do I hate this line of reasoning. I hope he never complains about anything EVER as there's always someone worse off than you. And unlike this cunt, I live in NY and was in the heart of the storm, and I was glad when I got internet back and was able to continue reading this thread.

In summary, fuck right off Ben Lawrence, you juvenile slope-browed moron.
 
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RedNumberFive

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EdwardTivrusky said:
Ben Lawrence, 2K Games UK PR Manager - He's a funny guy.
At least, i think he's having a laugh.

https://twitter.com/TheMoop/status/263268293106876416
"People made homeless by Hurricane Sandy send their condolences to all those affected by this latest, terrible, heart-rending games scandal."

https://twitter.com/TheMoop/status/261130838941519872
"Hungry for a bag of Doritos and a cool glass of refreshing Mountain Dew. In other news - The British Legion Poppy Appeal was launched today."

https://twitter.com/TheMoop/status/261131595111612416
"Such a small pond of squabbling guppies. Reality check people - NO ONE in the wider world gives a flying **** about games 'scandals'. xxx"

https://twitter.com/TheMoop/status/262886285570605057
"Totally ****ing entering this, it sounds ****ing brilliant! pic.twitter.com/T2p1MXOi"

Thanks to Wile E Coyote over at E.G. for this.
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Surprise, surprise. - another disgusting human being from gaming PR. You'd think that these people would have some sort of filter, but in light of recent events nothing surprises me anymore.
 
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Stuart444

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What is it with PR people and making bad PR for themselves on twitter? Isn't that like... directly against their Job Description or something? I mean seriously, fucking hell guys...
 
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