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[Saint Gregory]

I think if anything what this revelation should demonstrate is how little Nintendo fears Sony and Microsoft.

Microsoft has shown an inability to get any traction with the Xbox brand in non-english speaking countries and Sony is having some serious fiscal issues that could impact their ability to remain competitive going forward.

This entire WiiU experiment seems to be aimed directly at competing with the Apple/smart device market and not Sony and MS at all.

 

[metalslimer]

You'll miss out Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Mario Party, Mario Baseball, Mario Kart, Zelda, Mario RPG, Mario and Sonic.

Well I guess I know why you're in this thread. Besides a few people know one seems to actually want to discuss stuff in a level headed civil manner.

It's basically become

Nintendo fanboys: LOL WHO CARES I GOT MY GAMEZZ
Other side: LOL Nintendo what a joke company!!!

 

[HAL_Laboratory]

People porting games over are going to have a hard time seeing it that way.

Sucks to be a developer porting games then. For the ones who do original things, I'm sure we'll see great stuff.

 

[Spiegel]

It will be, but that wasn't my point. My point was, world-class developers don't care about specs. It's about what they can do with the hardware. They don't whine and cry about a lack of "power", they just make something badass.

No, your point is that a Nintendo developer is saying that a Nintendo hardware is awesome.

 

[SupaNaab]

I bought a Wii U on launch for the day 1 firmware for the inevitable homebrew. Life is pretty neat sometimes.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Well, the early results are in: they have the biggest third party titles released this year as launch releases and they're, at least, in the same ballpark as the X360 and PS3 ones. Surely, that means Wii U has achieved what the Wii never did as Ninty now has a budding userbase for the biggest third party releases with some initial early experience under those developers' belts while mostly offering significant upgrades and/or differentiation to that experience. As the system matures, so will understanding of what it takes to match or better the ports that come each year, just like it has been evolving on between X360 and PS3, year after year. I don't see any problem that isn't just speculative or theory, even if from a developer with hands-on with the Wii U, as they will find a way even if it's not one-for-one. I don't see a mismatch at all, just a realignment of expectations that shows that Ninty is focused on the here and now, not so much whatever happens in the so-far unproven and uncertain future for their competition from MS and Sony.

Is this a serious post or troll? Because some of those ports are from 2011, and having such old releases even if "just" from early winter 2012 is not a justification for "budding userbase for the biggest third party releases" that they 'never had'. The GC saw some of the best 3rd party support in its first year. On par easily with Xbox and several titles not seeing Xbox release until much later (especially Japanese 3rd parties, SEGA games, and some others) The Wii also had awesome exclusives early in life from a smattering of 3rd parties

 

[Fredrik]

Sad thing is, they probably will.

I will too
I love the idea of having a second screen on the controller, and I would honestly rather stop playing video games completely than willingly choose to not play Nintendo's exclusives. I'm surprised that so many here is so negative, not owning a WiiU is Not an option for me. And from the look of it judging by the launch lineup we'll at least have a better third party support than on Wii, so it's already on the right track to become a great console.

 

[EloquentM]

But you'll miss out on those nice Sony exclusives.

Fixed for my interests. ={

I don't want to buy anymore consoles ={

 

[Gahiggidy]

So, you're saying you can't enjoy exclusive content on Sony or Microsoft's platforms?

I'm saying I don't know of any exclusive content outside of a few examples. This is especially true for Microsoft, who stopped supporting first party games a while back (if I understand correctly).

 

[Freezie KO]

But hardware play games.... geddit? Geddit?

Well sure. That's why it's the pill you have to swallow. That's the analogy. You have to buy the hardware to get what you want. That's true for every system, not just Nintendo. Unless you were planning on buying a $599 Blu Ray player at the beginning of last gen, and it just happened to play games.

 

[CosmicGroinPull]

you're looking at this all wrong. see, you're used to driving a ferrari. sure it's fast, exciting and leaves you with a smile on your face - but have you never thought of buying a minivan? why tear up the strip at 100mph when you can instead enjoy the piercing odour of your kids shitting their pants on the back seat while screaming at tinnitus inducing decibel levels as you hit the five mile daily tailback on the between daycare and your ex-wife's boyfriend's house?

you're just out of touch is all.

Yep, and minivans have sold in tens of millions across the world. Knowing that makes me enjoy my minivan even more. How many people own a Ferrari?

 

[LeleSocho]

The hyperbole in this thread from everyone is like reading gamefaqs

Are you saying to me that if you miss a nintendo console you miss good games but if you miss the other you don't?
where is that reggie damage control pic when you need it?

 

[Tallshortman]

Yet watch Nintendo still end up the market leader when all is said and done. At least on their consoles you can enjoy exclusive content. If you have access to an up to date gaming PC there is little point in owning the products from Sony or Microsoft.

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing you don't own a Wii U, Evilore.

Good thing Nintendo is the only console maker with exclusive content. I don't think anyone's tag has ever been so apt.

 

[EloquentM]

hahaha. This one got me

I mean, he was being sensible for once.

 

[Horse Armour]

I'm saying I don't know of any exclusive content outside of a few examples. This is especially true for Microsoft, who stopped supporting first party games a while back (if I understand correctly).

Does an online system from 1999 count as a Nintendo exclusive?

 

[metalslimer]

I'm saying I don't know of any exclusive content outside of a few examples. This is especially true for Microsoft, who stopped supporting first party games a while back (if I understand correctly).

That's because you seem to refuse to own anything other than Nintendo hardware which is just sad.

Are you saying to me that if you miss a nintendo console you miss good games but if you miss the other you don't?
where is that reggie damage control pic when you need it?

No, I was saying the complete opposite. I'm not sure if I read your post wrong, but you seemed to suggest you won't get a lot of good games buying a Nintendo console.

 

[Kosma]

Sucks to be a developer porting games then. For the ones who do original things, I'm sure we'll see great stuff.

I'm sure it will have just as amazing support as Wii.

 

[Segnaro]

The touch screen though is just a big facepalm. I'm one of the three people on this planet using a resistive touch screen phone, it's nice using the nails for typing, not so much when I'm still much more accurate on a smaller iOS keyboard.

I was still impressed by how sensitive the screen is. Wish it had multitouch though.

 

[cyberheater]

So the silver lining is...

What kind of PC would you need to emulate a WiiU. Forgetting the gamepad screen obviously. Would it be possible using Core i7 overclocked.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

I'm saying I don't know of any exclusive content outside of a few examples. This is especially true for Microsoft, who stopped supporting first party games a while back (if I understand correctly).

While I do think MS deserves a bit of flak for their lazy attitude towards first party content, the bolded is simply not true.

 

[Saint Gregory]

Well sure. That's why it's the pill you have to swallow. That's the analogy. You have to buy the hardware to get what you want. That's true for every system, not just Nintendo. Unless you were planning on buying a $599 Blu Ray player at the beginning of last gen, and it just happened to play games.

Yes but Sony and MS's pills aren't bitter (unless you're price conscious) so you're not really swallowing anything unpleasant.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Yep, $400 and it came with a regular ass controller that played games the same way as all the generations before it. What a deal.

At least it had analog triggers!

 

[Gahiggidy]

By the way, you'd think with Nintendo optimizing the Wii U's internet browser specifically for NeoGAF, Evilore would appreciate it more.


NeoGaf runs best on Wii U. I stopped using my iPad to view it since getting a Nintendo Wii U.

 

[HAL_Laboratory]

No, your point is that a Nintendo developer is saying that a Nintendo hardware is awesome.

Yes, because Retro devs have never worked on anything else for any other company before.

 

[CosmicGroinPull]

Well sure. That's why it's the pill you have to swallow. That's the analogy. You have to buy the hardware to get what you want. That's true for every system, not just Nintendo. Unless you were planning on buying a $599 Blu Ray player at the beginning of last gen, and it just happened to play games.

Yep, that $599 POS sitting in my living room. I hate it. Play more movies on it than I do games. It has no games anyway.

 

[aegies]

The next Xbox and PlayStation are not "GPU-centric." There are pretty significant things happening with their processor architectures. And at least for Durango, it's not using off the shelf kit, contrary to what many GAF posters have insisted. Even more troublesome for the Wii U, they have much more dedicated GPGPU capabilities which aren't happening on the dedicated GPUs they're packing.

 

[LeleSocho]

Sucks to be a developer porting games then. For the ones who do original things, I'm sure we'll see great stuff.

Or we won't see anything since they will go to the next Ms and Sony machines... oh wait... i guess that those aren't world class developer amirite?

 

[EloquentM]

Yes but Sony and MS's pills aren't bitter (unless you're price conscious) so you're not really swallowing anything unpleasant.

To you.

 

[Kosma]

So the silver lining is...

What kind of PC would you need to emulate a WiiU. Forgetting the gamepad screen obviously. Would it be possible using Core i7 overclocked.

I could build one for 350 that would beat Wii U in any game that's on it.

 

[Osiris]

The next Xbox and PlayStation are not "GPU-centric." There are pretty significant things happening with their processor architectures. And at least for Durango, it's not using off the shelf kit, contrary to what many GAF posters have insisted. Even more troublesome for the Wii U, they have much more dedicated GPGPU capabilities which aren't happening on the dedicated GPUs they're packing.

So the APU + GPU rumors have merit?

 

[Freezie KO]

Does an online system from 1999 count as a Nintendo exclusive?

The Wii U's online system right now has account names, friend requests, a digital distribution platform, YouTube, etc. Unless you like paying double the cost of your console so that you can download games onto your friend's hardware, I'd say they have a better platform than Microsoft.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Yes, because Retro devs have never worked on anything else for any other company before.

Well, the point is in observing that for the moment, Retro obviously has to like Nintendo hardware.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

I'm saying I don't know of any exclusive content outside of a few examples. This is especially true for Microsoft, who stopped supporting first party games a while back (if I understand correctly).

man, nintendo fans really like to live inside a bubble.

 

[Saint Gregory]

To you.

Well I just said that

The next Xbox and PlayStation are not "GPU-centric." There are pretty significant things happening with their processor architectures. And at least for Durango, it's not using off the shelf kit, contrary to what many GAF posters have insisted. Even more troublesome for the Wii U, they have much more dedicated GPGPU capabilities which aren't happening on the dedicated GPUs they're packing.

The what now???

So the APU + GPU rumors have merit?

Oh, that's what. Nevermind.

I just hope they get that working better than it does in PCs


spoiler It doesn't work.

 

[Spiegel]

Yes, because Retro devs have never worked on anything else for any other company before.

No, because a smart developer is never going to say anything bad about their employeer.

 

[Freezie KO]

Yes but Sony and MS's pills aren't bitter (unless you're price conscious) so you're not really swallowing anything unpleasant.

Sure, they are. Who actually likes spending $400 on a machine that does nothing on its own? Nobody. Unless you ejaculate from looking at CPU numbers.

Yep, that $599 POS sitting in my living room. I hate it. Play more movies on it than I do games. It has no games anyway.

I don't think you're understanding. It's not a POS, but aside from playing Blu Rays, it's not a very effective purchase on its own. Hence, a game console, any game console, is just something you have to bite the bullet on to get the content you want.

 

[Mastperf]

The next Xbox and PlayStation are not "GPU-centric." There are pretty significant things happening with their processor architectures. And at least for Durango, it's not using off the shelf kit, contrary to what many GAF posters have insisted. Even more troublesome for the Wii U, they have much more dedicated GPGPU capabilities which aren't happening on the dedicated GPUs they're packing.

Hmm. Very interesting.

 

[HAL_Laboratory]

Well, the point is in observing that for the moment, Retro obviously has to like Nintendo hardware.

No, they don't. Why would you think that? Maybe they have to say that in public, but it's not like signing a contract with Retro makes you automatically like everything Nintendo puts out -- they have their own individual opinions just like everyone else. And in the unique position of hearing some of those opinions, I can say that lots of folks claiming doom and gloom are totally clueless.

 

[H_Prestige]

The next Xbox and PlayStation are not "GPU-centric." There are pretty significant things happening with their processor architectures. And at least for Durango, it's not using off the shelf kit, contrary to what many GAF posters have insisted. Even more troublesome for the Wii U, they have much more dedicated GPGPU capabilities which aren't happening on the dedicated GPUs they're packing.

Damn, sounds like Wii U is going to get a savage beat down.

 

[LeleSocho]

No, I was saying the complete opposite. I'm not sure if I read your post wrong, but you seemed to suggest you won't get a lot of good games buying a Nintendo console.

That is what i was saying in fact... you not only are going to miss the first party of the others but also a lot of god tier third party games
only nintendo console: miss first party sony and microsoft, miss third party
only microsoft console: miss first party sony and nintendo
only sony console: miss first party microsoft and nintendo

 

[deadlast]

It really is depressing how Nintendo went from the best on the market to Gimmick peddler. I miss you Nintendo of the 64 era. I should power that bad boy up and play some golden eye and mario 64.

 

[Tain]

And if you have an xbox 360 and/or ps3 there's very little reason to own a WiiU right now.

I don't see them being mutually exclusive at all.

 

[Joe Molotov]

The Wii U's online system right now has account names, friend requests, a digital distribution platform, YouTube, etc. Unless you like paying double the cost of your console so that you can download games onto your friend's hardware, I'd say they have a better platform than Microsoft.

oh my

 

[EloquentM]

No, because a smart developer is never going to say anything bad about their employeer.

Even to a close friend?

 

[Steve Youngblood]

No, they don't. Why would you think that? Maybe they have to say that in public, but it's not like signing a contract with Retro makes you automatically like everything Nintendo puts out -- they have their own individual opinions just like everyone else. And in the unique position of hearing some of those opinions, I can say that lots of folks claiming doom and gloom are totally clueless.

You're probably right. One of these days, I can only dream that I too will be able to play Street Fighter and drink beers with one employee of a company who can reassure me about hardware competency.

 

[grimshawish]

It really is depressing how Nintendo went from the best on the market to Gimmick peddler. I miss you Nintendo of the 64 era. I should power that bad boy up and play some golden eye and mario 64.

You were in a coma for Gamecube. Poor you.
3DS is lovely too.

 

[SmokyDave]

Well sure. That's why it's the pill you have to swallow. That's the analogy. You have to buy the hardware to get what you want. That's true for every system, not just Nintendo. Unless you were planning on buying a $599 Blu Ray player at the beginning of last gen, and it just happened to play games.

The PS3 was worth every penny to me, and then some. It wasn't so much a games console as a home cinema powerhouse. The fucking audio capabilities made me weak at the knees.

The 360 was much more of a games console at launch, and still worth every penny. Dat HD.

 

[CambriaRising]

Even to a close friend?

If they know their close friend is going to brag about drinking beers and playing SF on a message board to help a debate?

 

[HAL_Laboratory]

It really is depressing how Nintendo went from the best on the market to Gimmick peddler. I miss you Nintendo of the 64 era. I should power that bad boy up and play some golden eye and mario 64.

Your hyperbole is depressing.

 

[Mastperf]

I don't see them being mutually exclusive at all.

I was over exaggerating like he was to make a point.