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UK: Wii U sold around 40k units in opening weekend. attach rate > 2:1
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i used to switch channels to the simpsons whenever i was playing the wind waker and i had to sail. by the time it was a commercial break, i'd have reached my destination and could keep playing.
i cannot agree with that method, Anihawk
it's about sinking into the feeling of exploration and travel! With that awesome music, changing weather, yaaaah! Diminishing the travel by watching The Simpsons is not attractive! For this, you will now never receive Wind Waker Plus with the added dungeons. Was going to come out exclusively for Wii U, now cancelled.
it's about sinking into the feeling of exploration and travel! With that awesome music, changing weather, yaaaah! Diminishing the travel by watching The Simpsons is not attractive! For this, you will now never receive Wind Waker Plus with the added dungeons. Was going to come out exclusively for Wii U, now cancelled.
grimshawish
Banned
Monster Hunter has gone handheld fully now, and the console versions sold nothing comparable, so it fits the original point rather well.
3D Land is a good example, but of course some games can work well on both but the implementation is sometimes a bit different.
I also did this a lot, unless if was near sunrise, I loved sailing and watching the sun come up in that game.
i played it a year later without switching channels, and it has sat at the bottom of the 3d zelda list ever since.
Can we at least wait until after Christmas? I understand the anxiousness to call BOMBA but yeesh.
And even more so in the UK's situation considering these are weekend sales.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
I feel like I'm missing some vital bit of communication to make what I'm saying clearer >_<
hehe
Wonky, I know what you're saying. I agree with you. That is the legitimate selling point of having that gamepad screen.
Earlier on in this topic, this guy said this:
The point he was making as I understand it wasn't that he wanted to utilize the tv so his spouse or kids could use the tv while he played on the gameplay, but so that he could watch television shows while ALSO playing on the gamepad. So, jeremy is watching tv and also playing a game.
I was questioning whether the ability to ruin ones gaming experience by having a distracting tv on in the background and viewing content on an inferior screen was really a 'selling point.'
I agree with you completely that for a select group of people, the ability to be able to go to the gamepad while their spouse or kids watch tv is a plus. I never questioned that
I really don't understand what is so hard to grasp with Jeremy's post. I've already given an example of a media format (sporting events) that have tons of breaks where you can play a video game (something preferably with quick allotment of playtime like NSMBU, X-Com, RPGs, fighters, racers, etc.) in between the down moments. As for any media on television, a large portion of the duration is filled with commercials, perfect for some quick playtime. Then you have certain programs that you are semi-interested in, or want to watch again, where you can afford to not dedicated your full attention towards it.
It's not like Jeremy is acting as if said feature will move a large amount of consoles. It just happens to be a feature that appeals to his gaming ideals. He also said he does the same with the Vita, so maybe he just doesn't want (or need) to dedicate his full attention to his games and television media. Different strokes for different folks.
Edit: Off-Topic, but I will say that I absolutely hate when people walk out of a movie and say it isn't good when I personally witnessed them texting and/or browsing the web on the phone for the majority of the showing. How in the hell can you make a valid opinion about something that you barely even paid attention to?
Wii U: UK sales, and software chart stupidity!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u82ufMblik&feature=player_embedded
So somebody had to make a video about it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u82ufMblik&feature=player_embedded
So somebody had to make a video about it...
pieatorium
Member
My point was that people keep saying that noone wants console games on portables but console games tha move to portables keep selling great(like MH). GT and the God of Wars are other examples for psp.
There are games that work and sell better on each but saying that games need to me made very differently is complete BS.
gamergirly
Member
Gamestop.com for the States is sold out of Wii Us again too(only one bundle left).
On an unrelated note, the wind waker boat break is long enough to heat up chicken wings in the microwave
Almost as bad as summoning Bahamut Zero with Quadra Magic on FF VII.
Agree all that bitesize talk is garbage.
I agree.
I'm looking at Wii U's release schedule in 2013, as I'm not interested in anything out now, and I see....Pikmin 3. That's it. Seriously, what the fuck are they doing with all of the money they made on Wii? I'll pick one up for EAD's stuff once it's released, but if I get busy with life or if I didn't have as much income, I'd probably just do PC and one of the other 2 consoles.
Nintendo probably has tons of releases in the pipe, they're just addicted to their bizarre and backwards "announce major games only one month out from release" BS they did throughout the Wii gen.
We already know Yoshi Land U is coming out
Plus, there is Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta 2.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Have to wonder what they're doing - the Wii was pretty unceremoniously abandoned years ago, what have they been working on in the meantime? They must have something to show post-xmas - either that or they've been doing nothing
I could imagine that after the Wii, a few former owners would approach this one with trepidation.
bigtroyjon
Member
Most of it was paid out in dividends to shareholders. Since the Wii launched they've paid out 621.5 billion Yen, which is $7.55 billion at current exchange rates. They were paying out over 60% of net income during the really good years with the Wii/DS
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Why? If you could give a few sentence summary thanks
If it's Yoshi's Island 2 ish, awesome. If it's Yoshi's Derp Story, pass.
Looks like about 2% yield annually. But as an investor, seeing a high growth tech company pay out 2% dividends is a massive, massive red flag of completely inept management. That money should be used to support and stabilize growth by reinvesting into the business to reinforce existing markets and expand into new. Ie, AMZN, GOOG, and AAPL (jobs).
I wanted to shoot myself every time I set sail in that game. Sailing through a flat blue landscape was not immersive at all.
Off -TV Play is cool though, even if it doesn't appeal to me at all.
bigtroyjon
Member
There are two long term goals for every business, either get acquired(this is what many tech companies are striving to have happen) or make enough money that you can consistently and safely pay out cash to owners.
Since Nintendo doesn't have any interest in getting bought out, divdends are the only way the owners of the company are going to get paid.
bigtroyjon
Member
Nintendo's not concerned with high growth, their main concern is long term stability and paying out money to their core investor base which consists of lots of fixed income type investors.
Have to wonder what they're doing - the Wii was pretty unceremoniously abandoned years ago, what have they been working on in the meantime? They must have something to show post-xmas - either that or they've been doing nothing
I could imagine that after the Wii, a few former owners would approach this one with trepidation.
nintendo's expanding and restructuring according to our own ninja. seems like they've been gearing up for this new generation for a while now. retro has two teams now. monolithsoft has two or three teams now. miyamoto is getting his own band of brothers. ead kyoto is getting bigger, and ead tokyo got a second team a few years back.
they're also partnering with a lot of companies, and i think most of their own main teams are working on the wii u, and have been for a while. on the 3ds, there's partnerships with next-level (luigi's mansion), monster (pilotwings), grezzo (oot 3d), and q-games (star fox 64 3d), vitei (steel diver). 3d land was an internal collaboration with some brownie brown guys, which offset some of the workload from the console teams.
coming up:
ead1: mario kart 8 (2014). last game was mario kart 7
ead2: animal crossing wii u in 2014 or 2015. these guys just wrapped on animal crossing 3ds and nintendo land
ead3: the legend of zelda xv (2014). finished skyward sword in 2011, but were done in the earlier part of that year.
ead4: pikmin 3 (2013). just finished nsmb2 and nsmbu while working on pikmin 3. they're going to be wiped after this for another several years.
ead5: wii fit u (2013). either wii fit u dies and they make something else, or they will keep doing this forever.
ead tokyo1: yoshi land (2013). okay, a complete guess, but these guys last helped out with the handheld zeldas and were originally responsible for smg and dkjb
ead tokyo2: 3d mario wii u (2013). 3d land was co-produced with brownie-brown so this could happen sometime this year. smg2 wrapped sometime in 2009, so this probably won't be a rush job
intelligent systems: probably nothing for the wii u anytime soon. they're due for an advance wars game at this point, i think. they might try and replicate the success they've had with the latest fire emblem when they do. maybe a console fire emblem in a couple years. maybe.
monolithsoft: next console game is probably a 2014 release. they're currently making project x zone for the 3ds as well.
retro: helped out with mario kart 7, but it seems like they're close to a release date for a game of their own. shockingalberto said they could have shown something at e3 last year, but for some reason didn't.
nd cube: probably heading up mario party 10
hal lab: super smash bros. 4. working with sora and namco bandai. probably a 2014 release at the earliest.
spd1: game & wario (2013)
nst is no longer developing games because nintendo does not know they exist. and when they remember they exist, they hate them.
metalslimer
Member
Looking at what Nintendo teams are working on, outside of Monolith and Retro, it seems most of them are stuck in the same cycle of making Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Wii ____, Zelda, etc. And when they finish one they start working on the same games for the next system. Well we'll see how their casual teams are retstructured if Wii Fit U and Nintendoland both sell mediocrely
I would like to see more variety in what they do. It doesn't even have to be a new IP since they have a shit ton of classic IP to draw from.
I would like to see more variety in what they do. It doesn't even have to be a new IP since they have a shit ton of classic IP to draw from.
I think I missed that info. I always though that Retro second team was only a wishfull thing.
metalslimer
Member
Yeah I think that has just been people wanting them to work on 2 games at once when we only have indications that they are working on 1 game and still need more people for that 1 game. And Monolithsoft has always had 3 teams I believe. I think they added a fourth team that is working on a mysterious 3DS game in Tokyo.
this is me trying to remember everything with my robot mind. i might have heard wrong, but i thought retro had a handheld team and a console team now.
i heard monolithsoft was expanding though. it already had two teams. i know they were adding to the console team, but i thought they were also forming a third one.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
That was a great post, Anihawk. Ninty's 1st party is huge
At this point Nintendo can perfectly use one Monolith team to do some co-development, like the recent involvement with Skyward Sword.
metalslimer
Member
Well iirc, these were the 3 teams they already had. They have the team that worked on Diaster, the team that made Xenoblade, and the Namco SRPG team. I think they may have added a 4th team or expanded one of the other ones because the Xenoblade team is making a Wii U game and someone else making a 3DS game. Either way Monolith is definitely the studio to watch in Nintendo right now. And yes the Retro handheld team thing was just people speculating whenever they had some job postings. I would say we could ask the guy who apparently has beers with them, but he got banned >_>
I don't have as much faith. Yoshi's island U, sure - but are my hopes up for anything else currently? nope... and Yoshi's island is probably 6 months away at best as are the other anticipated titles.
Lord_Byron28
Member
They do have two teams now it's just not necessarily a handheld team.
Alcibiades
Member
Who is working on Wii Sports U?
Wasn't there a rumor that Nintendo is working to get that out ASAP.
Wasn't there a rumor that Nintendo is working to get that out ASAP.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Should've had it out at launch or a few weeks after at the latest. Show some new sports games for it in commercials, end said commercial with: "Only on the brand new Wii U", proceed to sell millions.
Also wondering why they didn't do a commercial like this: "First there was Wii, the worldwide phenomenon, and now the next-generation begins with Wii U". And then have the commercial detail some things about it and play game footage. It would drive the point home that it's a new system.
instead we got those colored blocks and bad music
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
I agree that Nintendo should try to have a couple teams dedicated to making new IPs - especially in genres and/or styles that Nintendo's staple games don't cover. Could just be like two teams dedicated to doing that with the idea being to create new sustainable IPs on the level of the Zelda's/Metroid's/etc. (in terms of popularity) and take some of the pressure off those veteran IPs.
Generally Nintendo seems to take the approach of having most new IPs being considerably lower-budget than their mainline staples, as well as being much smaller in scope and advertising.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Nintendo's been investing some of its cash money on some important stuff that benefited Wii and will benefit Wii U and 3DS even more by the looks of things. Nintendo's got some major plans in the works 2013 that we've know about.
- In May 2007, Nintendo bought Monolith Soft from Namco Bandai.
- In July 2012, Monolith Soft opened up a second studio in Kyoto. One team is working on a Wii U project while the other is apparently doing a 3DS project. The developer has also hired new staff.
- In 2009, Nintendo announced plans to contruct a new seven-story R&D facility by the end of 2013. It will be closer to its Kyoto HQ and will house over 1,200 employees. It reportedly cost $204 million as of July 2011. In addition, the company has plans to expand its R&D operations in Tokyo with 3 new buildings.
- Iwata convinced Masahiro Sakurai to stick with Nintendo to create Kid Icarus: Uprising and Smash Bros 4. In October 2012, it was reported that Sakurai may join EAD Tokyo some time next year.
- Shigeru Miyamoto stepped down from his EAD General Manager as of December 2012 with Takashi Tezuka taking his place. Miyamoto overseeing a new development team consisting of younger staff to teach them the ways of Nintendo voodoo. Miyamoto is also involved in some smaller IPs that he has been able to make more time for.
- In October 2012, Retro Studios confirmed that it is moving into a bigger building. They also hired more staff from developers Naughty Dog and Vigil Games.
- Nintendo's publishing Wonderful 101, Lego City: Undercover , and Bayonetta 2.
- Capcom said it will be using Nintendo's servers for Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate. That likely means it will remain free to play online in Japan. With Monster Hunter Tri, Capcom had used its own servers and charged Japanese gamers to play online.
- In May 2007, Nintendo bought Monolith Soft from Namco Bandai.
- In July 2012, Monolith Soft opened up a second studio in Kyoto. One team is working on a Wii U project while the other is apparently doing a 3DS project. The developer has also hired new staff.
- In 2009, Nintendo announced plans to contruct a new seven-story R&D facility by the end of 2013. It will be closer to its Kyoto HQ and will house over 1,200 employees. It reportedly cost $204 million as of July 2011. In addition, the company has plans to expand its R&D operations in Tokyo with 3 new buildings.
- Iwata convinced Masahiro Sakurai to stick with Nintendo to create Kid Icarus: Uprising and Smash Bros 4. In October 2012, it was reported that Sakurai may join EAD Tokyo some time next year.
- Shigeru Miyamoto stepped down from his EAD General Manager as of December 2012 with Takashi Tezuka taking his place. Miyamoto overseeing a new development team consisting of younger staff to teach them the ways of Nintendo voodoo. Miyamoto is also involved in some smaller IPs that he has been able to make more time for.
- In October 2012, Retro Studios confirmed that it is moving into a bigger building. They also hired more staff from developers Naughty Dog and Vigil Games.
- Nintendo's publishing Wonderful 101, Lego City: Undercover , and Bayonetta 2.
- Capcom said it will be using Nintendo's servers for Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate. That likely means it will remain free to play online in Japan. With Monster Hunter Tri, Capcom had used its own servers and charged Japanese gamers to play online.
IMHO, the poor sales are very deserving. I have waxed and waned over the Wii U over these weeks but at the end, I am not investing into the console in the state it has been released in: poor gamepad battery life, hardware locks, e-shop locked to hardware, poorly optimized OS, and networking issues. After jumping blind into the 3DS launch, and regretting it -- ambassador program or none -- I am going to give this console one year or two to figure out its identity, price drop as it should, and get a more capable OS stack. On top of these personal reasons, I believe that the console is also suffering from an identity crisis as to which set of consumers it's designed for. IMO, the truly hardcore, non-Nintendo fans won't touch it for the reasons above + what seems like underpowered hardware; and the casual base doesn't yet see any value in the console (hardware or software-wise).
oh lord please let this happen
metalslimer
Member
I don't know, but if the next Wii Sports and Fit don't have online play outside of Miiverse integration Nintendo would have completely dropped the ball. Wii Sports popularity stemmed directly from motion controls, and the little we did see of Wii Sports U did not look very enticing. I think Nintendo should be commended on Nintendo Land though. Going from how bland the Wii ___ series looked to having Nintendo Land look pretty damn good for what it is was good of them. I kind of want a whole game in that Zelda minigames style.
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Something about having to use the touchscreen to control Murphy for like half the game.
That ended up being a mistake on the part of the rep.
Empyrean Heaven
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2.5 - 1 is still a pretty pathetic attach rate. Wasn't the 360 around a 4 -1 ?
ThatObviousUser
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pieatorium
Member
For release week(half week) it isn't bad although a large number of that would be the bundled games
WonkyPanda
Member
I would argue that the problem is that the Wii-U has all these 3rd party games for consoles that every harry, dick, and sally own. When the 360 launched, these were the first 'next-gen' games on the market. I think the PS3 faced a similar fate, but it may be compounded for the Wii-U based upon how established the market already is for these 3rd party titles.
TL;DR: No variety or uniqueness.
gingerbeardman
Member
Can we have a thread dedicated to tracking what each studio is working on?
Game & Wario is 2013, which studio made that?