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[mneuro]

That happens all the fucking time. Taking something for reference isn't that big a deal. They are a small studio in Russia, who cares if they referenced a screengrab from a zombie show?

This is just blatant click bait

You do realize that there is a difference between reference and theft right?

For example: It is understandable that the dwarves in my game will all have beards because all dwarves in all games have beards....it would not be understandable for the dwarf in my game to look exactly like Gimli from Lord of the Rings.

 

[CrunchyFrog]

That happens all the fucking time. Taking something for reference isn't that big a deal. They are a small studio in Russia, who cares if they referenced a screengrab from a zombie show?

This is just blatant click bait

They didn't reference it, they straight up lifted it and pasted some effects on top in photoshop. At best, it's an amateurish lack of citation of source material. At worst it's possible copyright infringement.

 

[WedgeX]

That happens all the fucking time. Taking something for reference isn't that big a deal. They are a small studio in Russia, who cares if they referenced a screengrab from a zombie show?

This is just blatant click bait

If you're selling a product, images and other works have to be paid for or licensed.

 

[universalmind]

That happens all the fucking time. Taking something for reference isn't that big a deal. They are a small studio in Russia, who cares if they referenced a screengrab from a zombie show?

This is just blatant click bait

This whole thing has really brought out the stupids

 

[JABEE]

That happens all the fucking time. Taking something for reference isn't that big a deal. They are a small studio in Russia, who cares if they referenced a screengrab from a zombie show?

This is just blatant click bait

Stealing someone's copyrighted art and passing off that work as your own is a big deal. That Russian studio didn't have to pay to get those pictures taken or the actors that would have posed for those pictures.

 

[Chairmanchuck]

Its not like just this studio does it.

I have a friend, who likes to do some graphics in Photoshop. He was kinda surprised, that suddenly the Cover of an EA-Game features the exact "Silhouette" of one work he did. I told him he should at least write them an email about it, but sadly he did not...

 

[Aaron]

Stealing someone's copyrighted art and passing off that work as your own is a big deal. That Russian studio didn't have to pay to get those pictures taken or the actors that would have posed for those pictures.

Nah, it's not. Otherwise, Greg Land would never get work.

 

[pants]

www.pcgamesn.com/article/how-big-war-zs-map

9.7417 square kilometres to be exact.

They didnt lie, they duct taped 10 maps together

 

[Castor Krieg]

Erm, some of those images are exactly the same. EXACTLY the same. Why is Kotaku stupid?

Because it's Kotaku. Waiting for Totilo to arrive with Defense Force.

 

[Polk]

Frankly I think removing WarZ off the store is an overreaction. Just correct the information, make sure it's accurate and give people their refunds.

I think they will be back when both sides agree what will be on the store page.

 

[J-Rock]

Nah, it's not. Otherwise, Greg Land would never get work.

Well played.

 

[Mavromatis]

As I expected I am saved of WarZ with a day or so. My gaming buddies nearly got the game from Steam and by chance they didn't get the game and gifted to me with holiday spirits.
Luckily there was no 4 pack provoking this kind of behavior.

 

[Eusis]

I think they will be back when both sides agree what will be on the store page.

Given the amazing shit I'm seeing I honestly wouldn't be surprised WarZ's devs not wanting to put the truth up is enough to get it pulled until further notice rather than simply quickly fixed and everyone moving on.

 

[JambiBum]

According to the PC Gamer interview and what's been posted in their forums the game will be back up on steam shortly. We will see what happens.

 

[Kade]

They didn't reference it, they straight up lifted it and pasted some effects on top in photoshop. At best, it's an amateurish lack of citation of source material. At worst it's possible copyright infringement.

It's not a big deal. If so, sue Bungie and countless other studios for their concept art. None of this stuff makes it into the commercial product and is only used as reference or inspiration.

 

[Herbspiceguy]

I'm trying to understand what drives Titov. Is it just make a quick buck, and then let the game/company fall to pieces?
It just seems a bit dumb, considering the popularity of this kind of game. He has a game in early stages that could do well in the long run. Why ruin it?

 

[blitzcloud]

It's not a big deal. If so, sue Bungie and countless other studios for their concept art. None of this stuff makes it into the commercial product and is only used as reference or inspiration.

Exactly. but people apparently think they just made photoshop filters over the picture. Then, as an artist, I can do anything but frown upon them. it's not a method I like, but it gets things done quickly. Specially for anatomy/posing.

I'm trying to understand what drives Titov. Is it just make a quick buck, and then let the game/company fall to pieces?
It just seems a bit dumb, considering the popularity of this kind of game. He has a game in early stages that could do well in the long run. Why ruin it?

The thing he is doing completely wrong is having this sense of pride where he cant, fucking, accept that he made a mistake by placing a false description of what they want the game to be in the long run. Saying that people are misreading it and essentially being an asshole along with it. But I don't think the intentions are to leave the game unfinished for the quick buck. I think they genuinely want to finish the product. They have already done more than what most kickstarters have done after getting equal amounts of money as a pledge. the problem could come if they have to refund everyone or something like that and people just back out because they're scared the game will be doomed either way, seeing all the gloom that surrounds the game nowadays.


Mass effect stock photo for tali lol.
Contains Mass effect series spoiler picture


Not to mention that a spanish online store took the picture created by bruceleeroy for advertising uncharted 3

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=449735

 

[Jackpot]

Saw it on the BBC frontpage.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20796455

 

[Patryn]

It's not a big deal. If so, sue Bungie and countless other studios for their concept art. None of this stuff makes it into the commercial product and is only used as reference or inspiration.

http://i.imgur.com/qwdQD.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

Wasn't that particular picture not actually Bungie concept art? If you recall, some of the stuff on that supposed USB drive was actually just DeviantArt stuff and not Bungie stuff.

[quote="blitzcloud, post: 45611651"]Mass effect stock photo for tali lol.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9ZWLo.jpg[IMG]


Not to mention that a spanish online store took the picture created by bruceleeroy for advertising uncharted 3

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oMofy.jpg[IMG]

[url]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=449735[/url][/QUOTE]

Mass Effect stock photo was properly licensed. The difference is that all indication is that this art never was.

As for the other one, yeah, that's blatant theft, but just because one business does it doesn't suddenly make it legal for everyone else to do it. We need to call it out when we see it.

 

[Bedlam]

It's not a big deal. If so, sue Bungie and countless other studios for their concept art. None of this stuff makes it into the commercial product and is only used as reference or inspiration.

1. This was done by the same artist (he used his own work)
2. This was done as some rough and quick reference work to determine the look of the game (Destiny).

A guest on Weekend Confirmed talked about these two artworks and the artist behind them a few weeks ago.

If someone else used that artwork and put it in a commercial product, It'd be borderline plagiarism. See the recent Borderlands 2 poster art plagiarism case, for example.

And @ME3 stock photo: they paid for the license. It's still kinda lame but completely legal.

 

[gutabo]

As for the other one, yeah, that's blatant theft, but just because one business does it doesn't suddenly make it legal for everyone else to do it. We need to call it out when we see it.

This.

 

[Rubius]

It's not a big deal. If so, sue Bungie and countless other studios for their concept art. None of this stuff makes it into the commercial product and is only used as reference or inspiration.

Remind me of the great shitstorm after the Buckley used this girl in ctrl alt del.

 

[blitzcloud]

Wasn't that particular picture not actually Bungie concept art? If you recall, some of the stuff on that supposed USB drive was actually just DeviantArt stuff and not Bungie stuff.



Mass Effect stock photo was properly licensed. The difference is that all indication is that this art never was.

As for the other one, yeah, that's blatant theft, but just because one business does it doesn't suddenly make it legal for everyone else to do it. We need to call it out when we see it.

Well, the mass effect photo was a stock photo, and this art is based on freely distributed photos. What they did is cheap and could lead to a legal problem... if they were selling the art itself. People saying they just added filters are doing some heavy hyperbole, too.

 

[dosh]

They didn't reference it, they straight up lifted it and pasted some effects on top in photoshop. At best, it's an amateurish lack of citation of source material. At worst it's possible copyright infringement.

You know, even big studios such as Ubi or Valve do that all the time. Granted, it's mostly used for in-house concept art never shown to the public, but still.

It's not a big deal. If so, sue Bungie and countless other studios for their concept art. None of this stuff makes it into the commercial product and is only used as reference or inspiration.

Exactly.

Remember the characters portraits for Baldur's Gate?

 

[Takuan]

Mass effect stock photo for tali lol.

THANKS FOR RUINING MASS EFFECT FOR ME, YOU BASTURD

Spoiler

Which game reveals her face? 2? 3?

 

[blitzcloud]

THANKS FOR RUINING MASS EFFECT FOR ME, YOU BASTURD

Spoiler

Which game reveals her face? 2? 3?

I'm terribly sorry, I dont know much about mass effect. I didn't expect that picture posted everywhere to be a deep spoiler.

 

[Patryn]

Well, the mass effect photo was a stock photo, and this art is based on freely distributed photos. What they did is cheap and could lead to a legal problem... if they were selling the art itself. People saying they just added filters are doing some heavy hyperbole, too.

Just because the photos are around on the internet does not make them "freely distributed." I'm willing to bet that the rights to them definitely belong to AMC, and this commercial use almost certainly violates their rights.

 

[ittoryu]

Do we really need to have a defense force for something that doesn't deserve it at all?
Do we really need to have a defense force for a title that tried to rip-off users and refused to admit any fault at all?

Wow.

 

[blitzcloud]

Just because the photos are around on the internet does not make them "freely distributed." I'm willing to bet that the rights to them definitely belong to AMC, and this commercial use almost certainly violates their rights.

They would have to prove that it wasn't just reference material

And that it commercially meant something that benefitted TWZ.

That is, depending under what license these photos were distributed.

They would not bother, probably.

Do we really need to have a defense force for something that doesn't deserve it at all?
Do we really need to have a defense force for a title that tried to rip-off users and refused to admit any fault at all?

Wow.

I'm sorry for people who can only see in head or tails magnitudes. Like you, apparently.


Funnily enough, the ressemblance of the artwork to TWZ photos was already posted back in July, and no one seemed to care that much. But now...

 

[ittoryu]

I'm sorry for people who can only see in head or tails magnitudes. Like you, apparently.

Wow.
Did I mention you? I'm not aware of that.
I was talking in general as I saw many trying to defend what in my opinion cannot really be defended.

Chill out man, if you want to spend your time trying to defend people that publish an alpha, trying to grab money and then refuse to admit any fault feel free to do so, but don't jump on my throat.

 

[Throwaway123456789]

As far as I know this is the reaction from someone who just asked where HL3 is.

It's from here: http://www.pressfire.no/spesialer/e3-2012/5345/Hva-er-det-Half-Life-sjefen-ler-av

It's just Gaben saying bye after a quick interview at E3, where he talked about meeting devs for their upcoming Linux stuff.

 

[blitzcloud]

Wow.
Did I mention you? I'm not aware of that.
I was talking in general as I saw many trying to defend what in my opinion cannot really be defended.

Chill out man, if you want to spend your time trying to defend people that publish an alpha, trying to grab money and then refuse to admit any fault feel free to do so, but don't jump on my throat.

I'm pretty sensitive as apparently people let it go subtly when i post, or even tell me i must be from the staff lol

 

[Chairmanchuck]

Is that real?

 

[RionaaM]

That happens all the fucking time. Taking something for reference isn't that big a deal. They are a small studio in Russia, who cares if they referenced a screengrab from a zombie show?

This is just blatant click bait

I care, that's theft of copyrighted material. I can't take Abbey Road's cover, print the words "Rionaam's Super Cool Mega Music Album Z" and release it as my own creation. They would sue the shit out of me.

Which definitely needs to happen in this case.

 

[blitzcloud]

I care, that's theft of copyrighted material. I can't take Abbey Road's cover, print the words "Rionaam's Super Cool Mega Music Album Z" and release it as my own creation. They would sue the shit out of me.

Which definitely needs to happen in this case.

No, because it isn't the same case at all. they painted over the posing/wounds and changed facial features/expressions, and it was never the cover for anything (we could consider a cover VERY important in the sale of a CD). I don't like it as a concept art practice, but it exists more than you may think.

To place this example, posted on July.

Different Nose shape, different hairstyle, frowny look (wrinkles on nose and eyes are looking in a meaner way), added a sleeveless t-shirt. If that art was a key thing for the war Z, then AMC could have a case against them. But the changes, and the fact it's there just as a theme... pretty much would only work as derivate work copyright... and it would be hard to prove

 

[EVIL]

Remember the characters portraits for Baldur's Gate?

no, tell me about it.

 

[dosh]

Do we really need to have a defense force for something that doesn't deserve it at all?
Do we really need to have a defense force for a title that tried to rip-off users and refused to admit any fault at all?

Wow.

In that case, the expression "defense force" is stretching it a bit. Tons of respected studios use pics from google image or flickr on a daily basis and are never called out. That's all. No defense force involved.

 

[epmode]

Is that real?

There's no way to tell from that picture. It's too easy to fake a screen like that.

 

[Rapstah]

There's no way to tell from that picture. It's too easy to fake a screen like that.

His post history implies he deserves a ban, at least from their forums (click Audio Rejectz's Activity).

 

[gutabo]

Holy crap, the game is 1.1 now on MC(user score, no reviews yet) and there's more than 2.5K people asking for a full refund.

EDIT:

 

[Wickerbasket]

His post history implies he deserves a ban, at least from their forums (click Audio Rejectz's Activity).

Looks like he deserved the ban, but he also deserves his refund.

'haha you bought our game, sucker. your own fault'

 

[VibratingDonkey]

The only redeemable aspects of all this is that underneath all the lies, exploitation, F2P rubbish, other cynical ripoff-like things and jerky behavior, there is an actual game with some degree of potential, that at some point might be considered ready to be released, and the people working to make it so probably aren't too happy about the current situation. No one wants to be responsible for making a game remembered for being an outstanding piece of shit to the point of being the only game (AFAIK) to ever get pulled from Steam. Except for apparently the people calling the shots at Hammerpoint.

Maybe, just maybe they'll be able to turn this around by releasing a good, inoffensive game at the end of this. After this shitshow I have little faith though.

 

[Rapstah]

Looks like he deserved the ban, but he also deserves his refund.

Obviously.

 

[Wickerbasket]

The only redeemable aspects of all this is that underneath all the lies, exploitation, F2P rubbish, other cynical ripoff-like things and jerky behavior, there is an actual game with some degree of potential, that at some point might be considered ready to be released, and the people working to make it so probably aren't too happy about the current situation. No one wants to be responsible for making a game remembered for being an outstanding piece of shit to the point of being the only game (AFAIK) to ever get pulled from Steam. Except for apparently the people calling the shots at Hammerpoint.

Maybe, just maybe they'll be able to turn this around by releasing a good, inoffensive game at the end of this. After this shitshow I have little faith though.

Maybe they shouldn't have lied about their game's features, charged for it and then introduced micro transactions for spawning concurrently with longer spawn times. Everything the company does just screams sleazy.

I don't really have much sympathy for them at all.

He can put the game on his resume along with Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing.

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

This is what people are getting mad at? The pitchfork and torch wielding gamer is a scary creature.

The poor DayZ fellows are getting caught in their cross fire now too.

 

[Grimm Fandango]

He can put the game on his resume along with Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing.

Which makes me wonder why anyone gave this guy the benefit of the doubt with this game.

 

[VibratingDonkey]

Holy crap, the game is 1.1 now on MC(user score, no reviews yet) and there's more than 2.5K people asking for a full refund.

EDIT:

Was going to say that there probably won't be any reviews until the thing is re-released, but I remember reading in the Gamespy interview that they were in the process of reviewing it, so I guess they did send out codes before the shit hit the fan.

And Hammerpoint is still selling the game at the official site, so press ought to not hold off on publishing reviews either. They deserve no lenience on this.

 

[Wickerbasket]

This is what people are getting mad at? The pitchfork and torch wielding gamer is a scary creature.

The poor DayZ fellows are getting caught in their cross fire now too.

I believe it was actually this one that people were laughing about.

I think people shouldn't take attention away from the real issue though; which is the game and their treatment of paying customers. There's enough material to warn people about concerning the game without having to resort to attacks on their plagiarism.

 

[Castun]

This thread really needs some Good Guy Gabe and Scumbag Sergey memes. *popcorn*

 

[gutabo]

This is what people are getting mad at? The pitchfork and torch wielding gamer is a scary creature.

I'm sure the pitchfork and torch were already on most people's hands long before this was known. The picture's plagiarism is only another stripe on the tiger(and a minor one at that) but the negative momentum is already there so it's hard to keep it down.

The poor DayZ fellows are getting caught in their cross fire now too.

How so?