Valve gave them everything they needed to scam people down to control of the forums, they are just as liable. There shouldn't have been a need to offer refunds in the first place and now they are even letting on that this game could go on sale once again after the mythical features have been added. A lot of finished games don't even get approved by Steam and to have this happen and to give them another chance is just ridiculous.
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WarZ pulled from Steam (for now)
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Valve gave them everything they needed to scam people down to control of the forums, they are just as liable. There shouldn't have been a need to offer refunds in the first place and now they are even letting on that this game could go on sale once again after the mythical features have been added. A lot of finished games don't even get approved by Steam and to have this happen and to give them another chance is just ridiculous.
So what exactly should Valve have done to prevent that? Or what is the punishment that they deserve?
GODDAMN IT, WHERE'S MY GODDAMN PITCHFORK AND TORCH!?! I'M GONNA RIP GABEN A NEW ONE FOR GIVING SOMEONE THE CHANCE TO SCREW ME OVER!
The man leading them is responsible for Big Rigs, soooo good luck with that.
jediyoshi
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No refunds? We've spotted the mole.
Sentenza
Member
Oh, please, stop saying stupid shit.
They give "control of the forums" to every single developer willing to offer employees for the task (relatively to the boards of their games, of course).
Beside, it still needs to be proven that we are actually talking about "scammers" here.
If exaggerated advertising and overpromises would automatically label someone as a scammer Peter Molyneux would be in jail since the century started.
Which is another ridiculous statement.
Because that's how it works in business: they reacted to people complaints but they aren't overreacting like 12 years old and callign the developers "fucking assholes" and swearing "they will never put a foot on their lawn again", if that's what you were expecting.
Which is irrelevant. Beside being most likely more appropriate than unfair more often than indie developers are willing to admit.
And in a month or two it'll be back on Steam. The devs need to be sued or the guy in charge needs to be in jail for fraud or whatever they can come up with. Anything to find a semi-permanent solution.
About 72-75 square km. 50 players max for servers.
To be fair, with the only map being smaller, over 50 would be too much. I believe they tried 75 person servers for a short time but it turned in all out death match. Some of that has to do with their horrendous player spawn locations. People end up literally spawning on top of each other. Also sometimes you spawn in and just get shot to death immediately
Matches up with the rest of their handy work.
Uh, pretty sure it's not 10?
Treemonkeys
Member
They were flat out lies, and there is a different between what is said in an interview while a game is still in development and what is shown on a store front, with numbers and facts that are flat out incorrect, right next to a buy it now link.
KojiKnight
Member
From the post....
Last I checked... a kilometer was 1,000 meters, not 1,000,000 meters... That means 83 meters per square.
116 x 84 = 9,744.... wait what?
Either way, his math is very very wrong... I don't have the game so I can't measure things out myself... but I wouldn't trust his 10k assessment.
(edit) oh wait... It's that damnable european comma instead of a decimal.
116 x .0083984 = 9.7~. That makes more sense.
LOL. I think all of our brains are fried.
Square kilometres scale ten times slower. A square with sides of 10 metres contains 100 square metres. A square with sides of 1000 metres contains a million square metres.
To provide some further mathematical insight, you need to distinguish between square kilometers and kilo square meters. In numbers thats:
one square kilometer = 1 (km)² = 1 * (k)² * (m)² = 1 * 1000² * (m)² = 1000000 (m)² = one million square meters
vs.
one kilo square meter = 1 k(m)² = 1 * k * (m)² = 1 * 1000 * (m)² = 1000 (m)² = one thousand square meters
one square kilometer = 1 (km)² = 1 * (k)² * (m)² = 1 * 1000² * (m)² = 1000000 (m)² = one million square meters
vs.
one kilo square meter = 1 k(m)² = 1 * k * (m)² = 1 * 1000 * (m)² = 1000 (m)² = one thousand square meters
I'm conviced they made the movement slow to give the impression the map is bigger than it is.
Forgive my rudeness, but if those types of calculations fried your brain I hope you never try a STEM course.
famousmortimer
Banned
In Garry we trust.
I am curious what the other unannounced game is that they're working on. Big Rigs MMO?
Honestly I might instantly love them for that.
On the bright side, DayZ standalone is looking like it will be way more fleshed out than initially planned according Rocket's most recent update. Pushing past the December release target was smart. That was an unrealistic goal.
TemplaerDude
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I'm not surprised at all by the controversy and bullshit that is now surrounding this title, though I am a little shocked at how many people bought into this game without a second thought. You should always be wary of the games that show up quickly to stake a claim on new ground being tread by a previous title (in this case, DayZ), and this title especially has had a nasty stink to it from the very beginning. Perhaps I am just overly cautious from my years of watching this industry grow and seeing trends rise and fall, but the War Z struck the "cash grab" bell in my head right away. After the comments I read in the Gamespy interview I would stay very far away from this title until they start making some serious apologies.
Wickerbasket
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I always assumed that was their end game plan once they'd taken enough sucker's money. I don't think they care about the bad PR.
They do have some semblance of a community. I don't think they're quite that careless and uncaring. I'd imagine servers will keep going for some time.
plagiarize
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and I didn't criticize them for pulling it. I criticized them for giving the devs a second chance when critically acclaimed games already released on other systems haven't been given a *first* chance, and I criticized them for not pulling the store page. Which is still up with the same claims that got them in trouble in the first place.
Why the hell is that page still there? Why haven't Valve taken it down?
PrematureQuiche
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Sergey Titov has done another interview since the game has been pulled.
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/20/the-war-z-interview-sergey-titov-backlash/
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/20/the-war-z-interview-sergey-titov-backlash/
funkystudent
Member
Good to see Valve do the right thing here.
Hope the developer gets there shit in order because JESUS even EA isnt this underhanded about doing business
Hope the developer gets there shit in order because JESUS even EA isnt this underhanded about doing business
Judging by the people who were still buying this when all of this shit was happening it'd be something like "huh I didn't see that coming".
CrunchyFrog
Member
War Z art identical to walking dead...
via from Kotaku
Holy shit, first glance I thought this was a joke on the previously mentioned WarInc/WarZ spot the similarities image, but then I realized they really did practically lift those shots wholesale. The Zynga comparison is extraordinarily valid.
It is their money. Valve should give to them.
KojiKnight
Member
I very much doubt that Valve gives the developers the profit from a game instantly. I could be wrong, anyone who has a game on steam feel free to correct me... but I always assumed it was a transfer of funds every X amount of time. If so, WarZ was only up a couple of days and thus may not have received ANY payments from steam yet. Thus, since the games had to be refunded there really wouldn't be any issue like that.
Valve hasn't given them their money yet. However any money that is left over from refunds should be given to Hammerpoint. if you aren't asking for a refund than it's likely you enjoy the game. Frankly I think removing WarZ off the store is an overreaction. Just correct the information, make sure it's accurate and give people their refunds.
Really Kotaku? How stupid can you be.War Z art identical to walking dead...
via from Kotaku
"IT IS DONE."
What is this gif from? Thanks.
Erm, some of those images are exactly the same. EXACTLY the same. Why is Kotaku stupid?
Are they wrong?
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