Fight Night Round 3 came the closest of the target renders.
Target Render
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84fYoUQBrhU
Game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYGOzbDztJA
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VGLeaks: PlayStation 4 "Orbis" Roadmap
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Fight Night Round 3 came the closest of the target renders.
Target Render
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84fYoUQBrhU
Game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYGOzbDztJA
yeah,EA did great with FNR3 and was the only game I double dipped with.It's a shame that EA shutdown the servers
You can see that but ignore that kz3 surpasses the render in everything except fluidity? C'mon man.
Are you kidding? The polygon counts on the characters in game are still higher than KZ3, plus there's too much fidelity going on in one sequence.
KZ3 does have superior art direction and fire effects compared to the target render.
Yeah. I keep telling people imagine how this trailer would be like on a next gen console... I hope GG does a similar trailer for their game next gen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iCX9zLxY5s Still get goosebumps at the 18 sec...
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
Killzone with an actual narrative that actually takes advantage of its rich backstory and universe would be enough right there, coupled with some compelling characters with various motives and agendas then I think theres a hit right there.
Show war on a massive scale but still make the battles intimate while being organic. There should be limited scripting but something awe inspiring should always be able to occur even though it will be different for every player. Players should be free to approach a situation in creative ways and not be limited by anything less than their imagination
Or they could revamp KZ in such a way that it's still the KZ we know, love and are accustomed to but it'd be centered around freedom fighting. You'd play as a Helghast whose survived the petricite event at the end of KZ3. You would essentially be fighting a guerrilla war against the ISA who themselves have been twisted into the tyrants they sought to defeat. Essentially the better you performed in battle and allies you kept alive would increase the morale of the people. This would show in the world itself with Helghan being reestablished and the player being able to recruit more support/soldiers and have quicker access and discounted weapons sold by arms dealers who support neither side in the war. There could also being faction wars who vy for control of Helghan. The player would be caught in the crossfire since they are essentially being molded to fit thay role.
Idk what else could be done because we all know there will be a graphic update so we shouldn't concern ourselves with that, only gameplay can really be altered in such a way that KZ becomes more appealing
KZ4 will look much better than the KZ2 cgi reveal.
Guerilla has 2 teams. One team is likely working on Killzone 4 and the other team is making a game set in a fantasy world with RPG elements.
Wut.
Please tell me this is confirmed. I've wanted GG to do something of this genre forever.
Stig's team was formed in March 2010.
Was speaking about it with my cousins yesterday, and yea, that would be the best case, almost realistic scenario. The reality will probably be much worse though.
I definitely expect Gran Turismo 6 on the PS4's first year, as well as at least one Guerilla Games game (Killzone or fantasy IP), as well as Evolutions new racer IP and of course 1 new IP from Santa Monica and Sucker Punch. PS4 will have a crazy first year. I expect Naughty Dog, RaD and MediaMolecule in the 2nd year for PS4.
It's nothing more than conjecture at the moment, based on the phrasing of a job listing a couple of years ago.
Like GT6: Prologue a year after release.
Hydrargyrus
Member
Guerrilla has 3 teams now, with Guerrilla Cambridge, that is working in the Vita's Killzone
So for 4 years they'll be working on it?
Making it next gen won't be hard. They already said that when they re-did everything for GT5 they did so with the future in mind, i.e, poly models far more detailed than the PS3 could ever handle. In essence they had crazy next gen assets and features, scaled back to function on the PS3. I still believe GT6 could come out sooner than the debacle that was GT5.
4 years just for the prologue is just absurd,even more than 5 years for GT5.
The Killzone 2 trailer is interesting, because it has things that current gen lacks and that aren't pure resolution increases, better faces, frames per second or AA. The smoke is probably a pipe dream, but things like the swaying truck when it slides to a halt or fires its autocannon and the pure weight and innertia of the human character models should be high on all devs checklist for next gen. There must be a decent middle-ware solution existing or being made for better human body physics that can be used with increased power, right? Not talking about Euphoria, since that seems to be a rip-off.
Physics, deformation plus animation must take a giant leap next-gen or I'll be really disappointed.
The Samaritan/UE4 vids had sections about cloth physics and anti-clipping at least, so that might be part of UE4?
Physics, deformation plus animation must take a giant leap next-gen or I'll be really disappointed.
The Samaritan/UE4 vids had sections about cloth physics and anti-clipping at least, so that might be part of UE4?
I imagine Gaikai will be there in some form, I still don't see BC through them though for PS3 games, Cell development has stopped and I think Sony is the only who makes the chip anymore because of the PS3. So a server solution would be costly per person and I don't see them having the funds for something they probably won't make a return on.
PS1/PS2/PSP emulation would all be pretty easy, and I imagine compared to a set up for a PS3 to stream they could get a lot more out requiring far less intensive hardware to do it.
That is of course unless Sony have sorted out any sort of Cell emulation, at which point I imagine it would still be expensive to do server side per user but could happen on the PS4 itself.
Same here, I can't see it happening, next-gen games are going to require more space than now, and these games are going to have to run from at blu-ray speed which will be less than that of a typical HDD, an SSD is just more cost for less space for advantages they can't take full advantage of.
Sure let people put their own in, but I don't want to have to pay more for something I currently don't see the advantage of when I would rather a couple hundred gigabytes of space more.
Expecting Gran Turismo any year is a dangerous proposition. PD is probably under a lot of pressure from several directions with kaz seemingly spending more and more time doing actual racing / management rather then development and Sony being eager for AAA GT games for every platform as quick as possible.
iceatcs
Junior Member
I think it will be fine for next gen, especially Sony teams seem more care about fluid animation than most companies. Especially ND on Uncharted, the animation like nothing like else when the first one is out.
This could answer your question. And remember that in terms of architecture the cell is so much more complicated than the emotion engine of the PS2.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-ps2-classics-on-ps3
Lagspike_exe
Member
If Killzone 4 causes the half of the meltdowns KZ2 caused, it's going to be great. E3 2007 was glorious.
I have a feeling that KZ4 will get pretty close to the KZ2 target render and have a lot more going on. The CG trailer is pretty static if you look more than a few feet in front of the character. I hope they can match those first person animations though, they look excellent.
dr_rus
Member
Sony may provide some sort of "BC" for PS3 titles you have in your PSN account via Gaikai tech or recompiling / rebuilding their code or issuing a big discounts for PS4 "HD remasters" of such titles. I'd say that there is zero chance for any BC of disc based PS3 games though.
I've read some rumors that Sony will provide some dongle with a PS3 SoC for native BC. But to me this sounds BS.
There is code on the discs to identify them for the PS3/4, right? Then they could use those discs as a sort of DRM for Gaikai to stream them, meaning that you have to have them in the drive while playing. Not elegant, but hey, it might work.
I think it should be.
Only question is if they have a software emulator.
They have one for PS3 but it has only limited performance compatibility. Hence the selective PS2 Classics releases on PSN.
Hopefully they are porting it to PS4 and the performance allows, effectively, total compatibility. PSN will still only be able to sell you relicensed games, but discs ought to work, and they could start pursuing far more PSN releases.
I hope anyway!
Lagspike_exe
Member
If PS3 can, PS4 will certainly have no issues with it.
If PS2 emulation with PCSX2, written by a few hobbyists who need to reverse engineer a PS2, can be done on a decent PC, surely Sony can pull it off since they know the ins and outs of the hardware.
Going from the rumored specs, yes, it should be able to emulate PS2 games fine, especially since the people programming the thing have far better tools to make such an emulator. Hell, they could make it so the game render at 720p if they wanted going off of leaked specs. Question is, will they? Probably not. They'd make more money making the HD collections compatible and selling those, or selling some sort of BC dongle (which they have a patent on).
test_account
XP-39C²
What writing on the wall do you mean?
Unless fully motion captured as part of cut scene, I think CG trailer will still retain lead in animation. That said in terms of visual fidelity, I boldly propose that it'll look about 70-75% like the CG trailer.
darkistheway
Member
Would it really? Look at PS3 - a year later, significant price difference and no major difference in hardware units sold.
Arguably, going head to head with Microsoft's marketing dollars could be a more significant roadblock. A few months may give Sony the time and space to properly differentiate their efforts.
Psychotext
Member
That was coming off the success of all conquering PS2. I wouldn't be willing bet their brand is as strong this time around... especially thanks to Vita.
The brand is still pretty strong, especially in Europe, but of course it doesn´t come close to the PS2 days. For consoles that is, handhelds are another story.
thehypocrite
Member
So much fud. It's like if the PS3 isn't selling over 13+ millions every year.
statham
Member
they lost all their third party exclusives by being behind so much early on. Ms became the goto system with the COD crowd.
test_account
XP-39C²
I doubt that the Vita has affected the Playstation brand regarding consoles.