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VGLeaks: PlayStation 4 "Orbis" Roadmap

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sangreal

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yurinka said:
If we count timed exclusives, DLC exclusives and Kinect exclusives maybe.
But if we talk about full games with a certain quality (let's say 85%+ Metacritic aprox.) that remain exclusive and did a good job in sales (let's say 4M+ aprox.) I doubt it. Even counting the ones that are in PC too.
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That's some bizarre criteria (and too much time to look up)
 
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BloodMoney

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Globox_82 said:
I would like to know who did concept art for that IP, it's amazing. Look at that game over screen art
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Roger Dean

I've been trying to track down his prints for years.
I remember my copy (or dads copy i should say) of Shadow of the Beast 2 came with a 24x36 poster of the cover art. Unfortunately it and the box vanished in a yard sale.
 
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Syphon Filter

Member
yurinka said:
If we count timed exclusives, DLC exclusives and Kinect exclusives maybe.
But if we talk about full games with a certain quality (let's say 85%+ Metacritic aprox.) that remain exclusive and did a good job in sales (let's say 3/4M+ aprox.) I doubt it. Even counting the games that are also in PC.
I think that Sony had more exclusive IPs during this gen that may be relevant for next gen, and even more if we count the ones that can go back from 2 or 3 gens ago.
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What do you mean full games? A game is a game...
 
yurinka

yurinka

Member
Syphon Filter said:
What do you mean full games? A game is a game...
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full exclusive game = not multi game with exclusive dlc
I was refering to a full retail or downloadable game as a exclusive product. Instead of a multi game with an exclusive DLC.
I mean I wouldn't count Batman's Joker DLC as an exclusive. I'd count Uncharted or Dead Rising 1 as exclusives.
sangreal said:
That's some bizarre criteria (and too much time to look up)
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Then feel free to define another criteria for an important exclusive game.
More than 1M sales? 70%+ in Metacritic? Exclusive maps count? Games released after some months in the other console? I wouldn't say that these cases would be important for next gen.
 
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quest

Not Banned from OT
statham said:
It was passed along to me that Xbox 3's current main GPU has 12 CUs and is clocked at 800 Mhz. Take that as you will.

from bsassassin



I'm saying it that way since there are supposedly other components to assist the GPU.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread...31379&page=741
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This raises more questions than answers IMO. What is the secret sause to assist the GPU and what will that do for potential ports ect. It would have to be some serious secret sause to make up 50% less CUs. Also wonder if they scaled back the TMUs and ROPs to match the lower CU number to have the same ratios as PC graphics card.
 
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Can Crusher

Banned
Globox_82 said:
5-10% difference is meh to me. Either way.

As for MS having more exclusives then Sony, lol. Sure if you count timed exclusives. I will give you that. But I don't see same strategy working this time. Release same year, PS4 having on par or lower price...Japan and Pal market in the pocket. Now only US remains and without 1 year head start and much lower price, they won't do as well as they did this gen.

EDIT: BTW maybe we have reached the point where we start to ignore Proelite comments. dude is all over the place and seem like he is trolling or misleding, in which case that is supposed to give you a ban if I am correct?
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Why would it be in your interest to either get him banned or have him shut up? We aren't even near the end of the line, seems a tad early to already demand heads.

Also I don't see how he has been misleading.
 
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Ashes

Banned
We keep going back to earlier and earlier designs... ;)

When I first heard 8 core I thought it was an AMD FX 8150 8-core . :p
Add in a 16 GB DDR133, and AMD FirePro™ W8000 Graphics cards (4 GB) and you've got a decent workstation...

ha ha...
 
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B.O.O.M

Member
MeBecomingI said:
Oh lighten up. I'm just having some fun and I've since clarified. Yes, they do sell. And I agree with you.



Yes, I know they do. They wouldn't continue making them if they didn't. With that said, you caught me before I clarified my point. They do sell, but not as much as I think they could (sans Gran Turismo, God of War and Uncharted, really) to drive the hardware they need to. Launch time changes things a bit, but over the long term we've seen Sony pump out so many that they can't seem to find a focus. Killzone certainly comes to mind when I think of big budget release not really lighting up the sales charts to a significant level. It obviously sells enough to warrant more, thanks to legs but I'm just making a point that first party stuff against a few big name third party stuff from Microsoft would be interesting.

I fully expect Sony to come out with some big name games, given the studios have been relatively quiet recently. Likewise with Microsoft.
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oh I definitely agree. They just spread out their focus on too many projects. I think they understand this issue since they closed some studios and just expanded the bigger ones.

Honestly one of the issues KZ as I see is the Name. I mean KillZone isn't exactly the most marketable name outside of core gamers. I mean can you imagine a teen going up to their parents and saying hey mom and dad I want Killzone for xmas! lol They really should have called it Helghan! such a cool name sigh

and the game lack a real good main character. Part of why Uncharted is so successful is cuz of Drake. He is a likable guy. In KZ I keep hoping I WAS the enemy of ISA lol..I hope they address it in the next game or just go for a reboot altogether

Dark_AnNiaLatOr said:
It's almost as if MS and Sony switched focuses. Sony started out touting a super media device and ended with all these great exclusives, while MS showed all the great exclusives first, and is now focusing more on a super media device.

I wonder how both of them will start off the coming gen.
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Indeed. I'm really interested in how they divide their focus up. MS needs to be careful this E3. The last few they focused a bit too much on Kinect. Depending on the price point the system will be mainly aimed at the core gamer crowd and they aren't exactly crazy about kinect or new media apps. They need to go to their roots..do what they did when 360 was unveiled, focus on games games and more games.
 
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Can Crusher

Banned
Mario007 said:
Cell 2.0: Everyone makes mistakes in their third generation.
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That's not Cell 2.0 (opposite meaning actually), and Cell wasn't a mistake. That's what people don't seem to get. Poor documentation, poor tools, and the GPU was an afterthought. RSX came in late and crippled.

But what could even justify having half the compute units in the GPU?
 
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shadowsdarknes

Member
B.O.O.M said:
oh I definitely agree. They just spread out their focus on too many projects. I think they understand this issue since they closed some studios and just expanded the bigger ones.

Honestly one of the issues KZ as I see is the Name. I mean KillZone isn't exactly the most marketable name outside of core gamers. I mean can you imagine a teen going up to their parents and saying hey mom and dad I was Killzone for xmas! lol They really should have called it Helghan! such a cool name sigh

and the game lack a real good main character. Part of why Uncharted is so successful is cuz of Drake. He is a likable guy. In KZ I keep hoping I WAS the enemy of ISA lol..I hope they address it in the next game or just go for a reboot altogether



Indeed. I'm really interested in how they divide their focus up. MS needs to be careful this E3. The last few they focused a bit too much on Kinect. Depending on the price point the system will be mainly aimed at the core gamer crowd and they aren't exactly crazy about kinect or new media apps. They need to go to their roots..do what they did when 360 was unveiled, focus on games games and more games.
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It is hardly marketable to core gamers either. I am a huge Killzone fan, played the 1st for years, loved the stuffing out of Killzone 2, and beat 3. I'm a believer in the Killzone universe and aesthetic. It desperately needs a name change though because Killzone is a laughable title, lol worth.
 
yurinka

yurinka

Member
B.O.O.M said:
Indeed. I'm really interested in how they divide their focus up. MS needs to be careful this E3. The last few they focused a bit too much on Kinect. Depending on the price point the system will be mainly aimed at the core gamer crowd and they aren't exactly crazy about kinect or new media apps. They need to go to their roots..do what they did when 360 was unveiled, focus on games games and more games.
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Yep, and Sony announced very few games for Vita. So they should try to announce a good amount of PS4 and Vita games. But since they have the other divisions also will want to talk about 4K and digital services with other devices, which if doesn't take too much time of the conference would be ok for me. And due to the 10 years cycle stuff they'll announce at least a couple of PS3 games which I don't see how are they going to fit it there due to timing (let's say they have a 2 hours conference).
 
Karak

Karak

Member
Can Crusher said:
That's not Cell 2.0 (opposite meaning actually), and Cell wasn't a mistake. That's what people don't seem to get. Poor documentation, poor tools, and the GPU was an afterthought. RSX came in late and crippled.

But what could even justify having half the compute units in the GPU?
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As I have said before neither company knows 100% exactly what the other will do. They may get hints and "go on them" but they aren't all meeting at a table.

Then you take into account that a 50% difference doesn't need to be 100% made up by custom hardware. Even if 30-40% is made up you are going to be seeing a great deal of parity. And you then have the additional cores in the MS machine, the higher speed of the cores in the PS machine the memory knowledge gaps that currently exist.

All still rumors but efficiency and differences in overall setup can eat up %'s pretty fast and that also is on Sony's side with faster but less cores. It swings both ways and helps Sony in some %'s as well.

We will need to remember that if something else comes out and seems solid that changes all this again. Right up until the final specs are known.

Companies don't spend millions on custom hardware for no reason and very little improvement. They were and are shooting for something.

Back to Sony games. I would love to see them branch out with some more. Love to see Uncharted 4 but would like to see them do new stuff even moreso.
 
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B.O.O.M

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shadowsdarknes said:
It is hardly marketable to core gamers either. I am a huge Killzone fan, played the 1st for years, loved the stuffing out of Killzone 2, and beat 3. I'm a believer in the Killzone universe and aesthetic. It desperately needs a name change though because Killzone is a laughable title, lol worth.
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haha good to know I'm not along in thinking this

yurinka said:
Yep, and Sony announced very few games for Vita. So they should try to announce a good amount of PS4 and Vita games. But since they have the other divisions also will want to talk about 4K and digital services with other devices, which if doesn't take too much time of the conference would be ok for me.
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Yeah they should start off with vita, show a few titles. Move on to ps3 and show Beyond Two Souls clip and maybe some future bundle or something. Then go absolute nuts on PS4.
 
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Mario007

Member
Can Crusher said:
That's not Cell 2.0 (opposite meaning actually), and Cell wasn't a mistake. That's what people don't seem to get. Poor documentation, poor tools, and the GPU was an afterthought. RSX came in late and crippled.

But what could even justify having half the compute units in the GPU?
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Well I really meant it as a metaphor, didn't want to be too technical about it.
 
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i-Lo

Member
shadowsdarknes said:
It is hardly marketable to core gamers either. I am a huge Killzone fan, played the 1st for years, loved the stuffing out of Killzone 2, and beat 3. I'm a believer in the Killzone universe and aesthetic. It desperately needs a name change though because Killzone is a laughable title, lol worth.
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I don't know about the name but over KZ2 and 3 I felt they had wasted such a great opportunity for weaving a tale worthy of setting of the universe. Such a waste...
 
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SweetTeddie

Member
Can Crusher said:
Some I.Ps just need to be left behind.

IMO

Resistance
Killzone
Infamous
Socom

Just let them go Sony. Make new, better shit because those franchises are just over for now.

I believe it would be much more interesting to bring back Syphon Filter in some new re imagined form. The Getaway, Legend of Dragoon, you know bring back stuff instead of developing yet another sequel to these franchises that are dying a slow death.

Of course, new Ips are always the best part of new generations.
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Amen.
 
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GarthVaderUK

Banned
i-Lo said:
Talking about that, if PS2 can be transformed into a launch title because it has been made somewhat official that it'll come to PS4, then Sony should ensure that ALL PS4's come pre-installed with that F2P game.
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That would make a lot of sense! Edit: age rating might get in the way though.
 
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Ashes

Banned
i-Lo said:
Talking about that, if PS2 can be transformed into a launch title because it has been made somewhat official that it'll come to PS4, then Sony should ensure that ALL PS4's come pre-installed with that F2P game.
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This sounds like a great idea. Makes too much sense.

If however, they go with a hard-drive less sku [flash only], this would be harder to do.
 
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Gorillaz

Member
They wont let go of killzone. Its the trojan horse of tech. It needs a new makeover tho

Infamous is a good open world title.

Socom is basically dead. Reboot is the only thing that could save it.

Resistance has been dead since R2.

Edit: didnt they hint planetside 2 for ps4 possibly? It would make sense to have it be a ps + deal for ps4 launch.
 
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Can Crusher

Banned
Gorillaz said:
They wont let go of killzone. Its the trojan horse of tech. It needs a new makeover tho
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Trojan horse of what? Man it's a game. A franchise that reached its peak with Killzone 2 and now, Ps4 doesn't need it.

Any game now can be the showcase of the system. New IP, old IP, who knows.

Karak said:
As I have said before neither company knows 100% exactly what the other will do. They may get hints and "go on them" but they aren't all meeting at a table.

Then you take into account that a 50% difference doesn't need to be 100% made up by custom hardware. Even if 30-40% is made up you are going to be seeing a great deal of parity. And you then have the additional cores in the MS machine, the higher speed of the cores in the PS machine the memory knowledge gaps that currently exist.

(..)

Back to Sony games. I would love to see them branch out with some more. Love to see Uncharted 4 but would like to see them do new stuff even moreso.
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Honestly?

Like talking for real here?

I don't know what the fuck these compute units are even for man...
 
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BloodMoney

Banned
Can Crusher said:
Trojan horse of what? Man it's a game. A franchise that reached its peak with Killzone 2 and now, Ps4 doesn't need it.

Any game now can be the showcase of the system. New IP, old IP, who knows.
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I get what your saying, but i personally enjoy the Killzone games and look forward to another that serves as a techdemo for the power of Sony's next console.
 
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NinjaFridge

Unconfirmed Member
Psychotext said:
If they do Killzone again they need to get some semi competent writers and actors in. Graphically it was excellent, the gameplay was mostly solid... but god, the single player story (and all that surrounds it) was awful.

...and for the the love of god no more Rico.
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They really went into detail with the back story on the website. Shame the games didn't really use it.

Gorillaz said:
They wont let go of killzone. Its the trojan horse of tech. It needs a new makeover tho

Infamous is a good open world title.

Socom is basically dead. Reboot is the only thing that could save it.

Resistance has been dead since R2.

Edit: didnt they hint planetside 2 for ps4 possibly? It would make sense to have it be a ps + deal for ps4 launch.
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R3 was great. Lots of fun.

Also InFamous is awesome, need more of that shit.
 
NoLootBoxDev

NoLootBoxDev

Member
Breaking News:

SuperDaE as found dead,his boby has clear signs of turture, a few ninja stars where found near the boby. J/K

I hope we get info soon on both consoles.
 
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Kazuma Kiryu

Member
Can Crusher said:
Some I.Ps just need to be left behind.

IMO

Resistance
Killzone
Infamous
Socom
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killzone has potential. kz2 was pretty cool, the graphics were awesome, the mp was a blast, i actually liked the weight of the weapons, call it lag or whatever but i enjoyed the controls, the story and the characters were crap however. then kz3 came and screwed everything up, that game is a disaster. well, i did like the variation in locations and it had some nice setpieces. they need to forget the COD crowd and make their own thing, they were on a good path with kz2. i think they should try a kz4 before calling it quits.

infamous is a weird situation, it also has some potential as far as open world games go. infamous 1 ended with a sequel in mind but infamous 2 just ends. should they try to make another infamous game or come up with a new IP? i don't know, infamous is pretty fun to play, the traversal in the game is great (even if it could be faster) but they need to work on a few things. personally i think they should put the franchise on hold and make something new.

resistance and socom are basically dead, they've had so many bad entries lately that the names no longer matter.
 
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ALBOFIGHTER

Member
I want jak and dexter. Love that franchise. Mgs5 is also coming but I doubt it will be an exclusive this time. A good gundam game would be nice. Can't wait for next gen ninja gaiden.

If Sony builds a powerful console, then a good strategy would be to revive some popular ps2 franchises to remind people that they have always had the best ip.

Next strategy would be to show trailers of games that will probably not come out in years like versus 13. It would sell systems with people thinking they would play those games soon.
 
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Can Crusher

Banned
Amvient said:
Breaking News:

SuperDaE was found dead in his apartment. Police are now investigating a suicide, a letter of intent and a gun were found near the body. Dae died of gunshot to the head. Neighboors say they saw a man in a suit leaving the house, but the Police states the front door was locked from inside and there are no visible signs of forced entry.
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fixed
 
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Gorillaz

Member
Can Crusher said:
Trojan horse of what? Man it's a game. A franchise that reached its peak with Killzone 2 and now, Ps4 doesn't need it.

Any game now can be the showcase of the system. New IP, old IP, who knows.
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It didn't peak, Killzone 3 was just bad.


Maybe you didn't realize but they put in all of there eggs in the killzone basket. You really think they will put that much money BLINDLY like that again? lol
 
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DieH@rd

Banned
El_Chino said:
I'm sure he'll figure out to pull it off somehow, what time zone is he in anyway?
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MS suits managed to extract him from his apartment before Sony ninjas came, and deliver him to unlisted supersonic plane that must remain airborne AT ALL TIMES to maintain secrecy. Who knows in what timezone is he now.
 
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Can Crusher

Banned
Gorillaz said:
It didn't peak, Killzone 3 was just bad.


Maybe you didn't realize but they put in all of there eggs in the killzone basket. You really think they will put that much money BLINDLY like that again? lol
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Killzone was one big piece of trash man. Everything was wrong with it, even the graphics sucked. Hell even the sound.

I dreamed man, when I saw those pics and articles in magazines I BELIEVED. So 2 shit games, and 1 good(not great) game.

I don't, feels like a franchise that isn't really all it was cracked to be. Time to move on to much greener pastures.
 
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Gorillaz

Member
DieH@rd said:
MS suits managed to extract him from his apartment before Sony ninjas came, and deliver him to unlisted supersonic plane that must remain airborne AT ALL TIMES to maintain secrecy. Who knows in what timezone is he now.
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Holy shit....

Can Crusher said:
Killzone was one big piece of trash man. Everything was wrong with it, even the graphics sucked. Hell even the sound.

I dreamed man, when I saw those pics and articles in magazines I BELIEVED. So 2 shit games, and 1 good(not great) game.

I don't, feels like a franchise that isn't really all it was cracked to be. Time to move on to much greener pastures.
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