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[DieH@rd]

There won't be a huge graphical leap this gen.

 

[Baconsammy]

I'm loathe to publish misleading information. And I've said before I don't mind being wrong, but that's not totally true - I'm not afraid to be wrong, but I'd rather not look stupid. I do think there's a group of people out there that get their giggles giving out false information, so as much as I want to believe certain things, as much as my gut tells me they're accurate, I'm hesitant to conclusively state "this is what this thing is." And there are things that need to happen for me to know what Durango and Orbis really are that rely on talking to other people. So if I did have certain information, it would take time to do all of these things.

Also, I'm not going to spill something that juicy on GAF before it went live where I work. Come on guys. Not to say that stops me from adding a little bit to the conversation here and there (and correcting inaccurate statements I've made when my understanding changes).

And on top of that if you're wrong about the smallest of things, people childishly crucify you for it from that point on and then post drivel like "LOL Polygon".

 

[darkwing]

yosp is the man

 

[shinobi602]

And on top of that if you're wrong about the smallest of things, people childishly crucify you for it from that point on and then post drivel like "LOL Polygon".

Is it that hard to say "This is what we've heard."

Acting like something is fact will get you bashed, but just stating hearsay and mentioning that before going on is safe in everyone's book.

 

[FonkyByNature]

I'm probably getting a PS4 not because it's more powerful, if it ever is. But because i feel Sony will surprise us with some sick launch games. Especially if MS puts too much effort in Kinect games that do nothing for me. Don't care if it's more accurate than the actual Kinect, i think the concept is cool but boring for games, other than dancing games.

Will end up buying both anyway...

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Of course. And from what we've been hearing, a sizeable amount will be used for Kinect-related stuff on Xbox.

Remember Epic's push for 512MB on the 360...

with how everything turned out, sony making a crazy cpu and microsoft pushing for more ram and everything else that's different between these consoles, we still got pretty much the same thing from both consoles in most multiplatform games.
i doubt this time will be any different. one has more ram so i'm guessing you can store more stuff but the other has faster ram so it can access stuff faster. again, 3gb as a minimum of ram amount purely for games is great and will bring us even crazier stuff than what we've seen so far.
again, these are still all just rumors so i'm not taking a single piece of info as granted.

 

[Nirolak]

Is it that hard to say "This is what we've heard."

Acting like something is fact will get you bashed, but just stating hearsay and mentioning that before going on is safe in everyone's book.

Vox generally has a really solid rumor reputation, so I imagine they want to maintain that.

Once you start getting multiple incorrect rumors, many people start taking you less seriously.

 

[aegies]

Is it that hard to say "This is what we've heard."

Acting like something is fact will get you bashed, but just stating hearsay and mentioning that before going on is safe in everyone's book.

I watch sites getting bashed for "linkbait" and "trolling for clicks" for doing this all the time. Also, we don't want to publish hearsay. Hearsay becomes "fact" for some people forever.

 

[Baconsammy]

Is it that hard to say "This is what we've heard."

Acting like something is fact will get you bashed, but just stating hearsay and mentioning that before going on is safe in everyone's book.

He did that with the 2012 release date for the next Xbox and got all kinds of shit for it. Here at GAF. Personally I say ignore the people that can't discern an educated guess from a certainty.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Vox generally has a really solid rumor reputation, so I imagine they want to maintain that.

Once you start getting multiple incorrect rumors, many people start taking you less seriously.

it is funny though that the verge has almost completely stopped posting rumours of their own ever since they got the iphone 5 horribly wrong.

 

[Rösti]

And if these systems are expected to go until 2018/2019/2020... 1.8TF isn't going to cut it. Neither is 4GB of RAM... however fast it is. People are only looking at it from the perspective of what we have now. No one is looking forward and trying to plan accordingly.

From the leaked "92821757-XBox-720-9-24-Checkpoint-Draft-1" document (which may or may not represent Microsoft's current plans):

 

[waypoetic]

HAHA. I love Yoshida-san.

 

[gofreak]

I'm loathe to publish misleading information. And I've said before I don't mind being wrong, but that's not totally true - I'm not afraid to be wrong, but I'd rather not look stupid. I do think there's a group of people out there that get their giggles giving out false information, so as much as I want to believe certain things, as much as my gut tells me they're accurate, I'm hesitant to conclusively state "this is what this thing is." And there are things that need to happen for me to know what Durango and Orbis really are that rely on talking to other people. So if I did have certain information, it would take time to do all of these things.

Also, I'm not going to spill something that juicy on GAF before it went live where I work. Come on guys. Not to say that stops me from adding a little bit to the conversation here and there (and correcting inaccurate statements I've made when my understanding changes).

I get that, of course, and I don't mean to rag on you specifically. It's just a little frustrating to have noises without the information informing those noises. But I get the impression from your post that one very reason you can't share anything concrete is because it's still possible Polygon will run a story at some point if information firms up so...

 

[subversus]

ok, so consoles will be powerful. But how about relaxing rules to access their walled gardens? I don't want to be fed with the same juvenile shooters which just look better.

 

[Zutroy]

If the next Xbox comes packed with a new Kinect, I don't see how it would be possible for them to also have the more powerful console without costing too much.

 

[Proelite]

VG247 is close but off. NowGamer got trolled.

 

[Baconsammy]

ok, so consoles will be powerful. But how about relaxing rules to access their walled gardens? I don't want to be fed with the same juvenile shooters which just look better.

What makes one game more juvenile than another game?

 

[Can Crusher]

If the next Xbox comes packed with a new Kinect, I don't see how it would be possible for them to also have the more powerful console without costing too much.

Maybe kinect wont be bundled with every SKU.

 

[pcostabel]

Of course bandwidth is important, one just has to look at all PS3 games that suffered from low-res effects due to lower bandwidth for an example. But, especially regarding the visuals and realization of worlds that I expect from next-gen, if you don't have memory capacity, where are you going to put the data? What I really mean is, not only do I want fast RAM, I want as much as they can provide within the confines of their power/cost limitations.

It all depends on how well the system is balanced. Durango bandwidth is rumored to be ~68 GB/s, which means it will only be able to access 2 GB of data per frame at 30fps. This is shared between CPU and GPU, so the actual figure for textures and geometry will be significantly lower. All the memory above 2 GB is used as a cache and not actually used to render the individual frames.
Orbis will have 192 GB/s bandwidth, about 6 GB per frame at 30fps and 3 GB at 60fps, which means memory size will potentially be a bottleneck for 30fps games since the GPU could probably consume more data than it is available, while it would be perfectly balanced for 60fps games.

If the rumored specs are real, I expect developers to target 30fps on Durango and 60fps on Orbis.

 

[shinobi602]

VG247 is close but off. NowGamer got trolled.

It's the OS isn't it?

 

[goldenpp72]

If the next Xbox comes packed with a new Kinect, I don't see how it would be possible for them to also have the more powerful console without costing too much.

Kinect isn't that expensive of a device I imagine, especially if it's factored from the beginning with mass production on that scale I'm sure. I think it was estimated that constructing a Kinect day 1 was like 40 bucks, but I imagine they will have found ways to work that down a lot by being able to factor it being launched with every system.

Though if anyone had hard figures to work with that would be great, as I have been curious how kinect would increase the base price of the next Xbox.

 

[Psychotext]

ok, so consoles will be powerful. But how about relaxing rules to access their walled gardens?

XBLIG was about as open a platform as it's possible to have on a console... hardly anyone cared.

Microsoft can take a lot of the blame there too of course. It should have been far prominent and given better backing.

 

[Vol5]

It all depends on how well the system is balanced. Durango bandwidth is rumored to be ~68 GB/s, which means it will only be able to access 2 GB of data per frame at 30fps. This is shared between CPU and GPU, so the actual figure for textures and geometry will be significantly lower. All the memory above 2 GB is used as a cache and not actually used to render the individual frames.
Orbis will have 192 GB/s bandwidth, about 6 GB per frame at 30fps and 3 GB at 60fps, which means memory size will potentially be a bottleneck for 30fps games since the GPU could probably consume more data than it is available, while it would be perfectly balanced for 60fps games.

If the rumored specs are real, I expect developers to target 30fps on Durango and 60fps on Orbis.

Bolded for the bold statement.

 

[Reiko]

It all depends on how well the system is balanced. Durango bandwidth is rumored to be ~68 GB/s, which means it will only be able to access 2 GB of data per frame at 30fps. This is shared between CPU and GPU, so the actual figure for textures and geometry will be significantly lower. All the memory above 2 GB is used as a cache and not actually used to render the individual frames.
Orbis will have 192 GB/s bandwidth, about 6 GB per frame at 30fps and 3 GB at 60fps, which means memory size will potentially be a bottleneck for 30fps games since the GPU could probably consume more data than it is available, while it would be perfectly balanced for 60fps games.

If the rumored specs are real, I expect developers to target 30fps on Durango and 60fps on Orbis.

lol Nope.

 

[Can Crusher]

It all depends on how well the system is balanced. Durango bandwidth is rumored to be ~68 GB/s, which means it will only be able to access 2 GB of data per frame at 30fps. This is shared between CPU and GPU, so the actual figure for textures and geometry will be significantly lower. All the memory above 2 GB is used as a cache and not actually used to render the individual frames.
Orbis will have 192 GB/s bandwidth, about 6 GB per frame at 30fps and 3 GB at 60fps, which means memory size will potentially be a bottleneck for 30fps games since the GPU could probably consume more data than it is available, while it would be perfectly balanced for 60fps games.

If the rumored specs are real, I expect developers to target 30fps on Durango and 60fps on Orbis.

You are making assumptions based on two rumors. You aren't taking into account anything else, and you are forgetting that EPIC and Crytek want 8 GB as minimum on these systems. Crytek specially said that they would be able to do so much more with more ram.

I'm pretty sure they weren't talking about 8GB of GDDR5. Now that's when Orbis had like 2 GB of GDDR5 (rumor), and they did bumped it up (rumor).

We basically have no context.

 

[PapaJustify]

If I learned one thing from this gen than it is that it doesn't matter which console is better technically.

The console wars were a waste of time. And I hope we do not pick up on it again, guys.

 

[Violater]

I want my 1080p, 60fps 3D games. With the texture resolution and IQ exceeding what i can get with my PC right now.

If I learned one thing from this gen than it is that it doesn't matter which console is better technically.

The console wars were a waste of time. And I hope we do not pick up on it again, guys.

When did it ever stop?

 

[Raoh]

What's sold the PS3 is the same that's sold the 360. FIFA, Cod, BF, Guitar Hero. Have a look at the best selling games for each of the consoles, there are few exclusives in there.

Completely different for me.

On the PS2 side of things, while I played a lot of third party games, it was socom, eqoa and ffxi that kept me hooked even into the mid current gen.

Third party this gen between poor ps3 support and 360's pay wall, pushed me to the pc for third party. Exclusives is why I kept my ps3 and traded/sold my wii/360.

 

[btrboyev]

I don't expect much or any graphical or power difference between these systems. They both are expected to arrive at the same time and both machines have the same companies building the chipsets.

It's basically going to come down to exclusives, much like this gen.

 

[Monumental]

ITT people arguing dick length when it's all about girth.

 

[Wynnebeck]

If I learned one thing from this gen than it is that it doesn't matter which console is better technically.

The console wars were a waste of time. And I hope we do not pick up on it again, guys.

Sorry but the Console Warz of 2013 is getting ready to heat up and I honestly believe we'll have more casualties then we did with the unveiling of last gen.

 

[Sid]

I want my 1080p, 60fps 3D games. With the texture resolution and IQ exceeding what i can get with my PC right now.

You have a WIIU for that sir.

 

[Durante]

There won't be a huge graphical leap this gen.

I think people fail to appreciate the massive, gaping gap in power between a high-end PC and last-gen consoles.

It's perfectly possible for both these statements to be true (and I believe that both are):
- next gen consoles will be significantly weaker than high-end PCs
- next-gen consoles will provide a significant leap compared to PS360

Spoiler

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The recent DmC thread gives a nice indication of this gap: The game runs at 30 FPS, 720p on consoles and at 200 FPS, 1080p on a single GPU that isn't even top of the line. That's 15 times the amount of shaded pixels.

 

[FrankT]

lol Nope.

One would hope not. Because that would not be good on paper and PR.

 

[KAL2006]

- Windows 8
- Microsoft malware spying on you to gather information for Bing!
- Dat RAM for dem advertisements!
- Kinect OS RAMz
- XBox Live Gold Paid Feature : Free 512mb of RAM from OS

Crazy thing is some of that is likely true. Kinect, Windows 8, graphics and transition for ads, inrergrated store. Something as simple as the Vita OS is enough for me, all I need is a light OS that allows me to multitask and put the game on standby.

 

[quest]

I think people fail to appreciate the massive, gaping gap in power between a high-end PC and last-gen consoles.

It's perfectly possible for both these statements to be true (and I think both are):
- next gen consoles will be significantly weaker than high-end PCs
- next-gen consoles will provide a significant leap compared to PS360

Spoiler

U

The recent DmC thread gives a nice indication of this gap: The game runs at 30 FPS, 720p on consoles and at 200 FPS, 1080p on a single GPU that isn't even top of the line. That's 15 times the amount of shaded pixels.

Personally just high resolution textures and AF would make both machines a giant leap over the current generation. Then add in all the other little goodies we will see and even though on paper they are not beasts I expect a giant leap.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

Crazy thing is some of that is likely true. Kinect, Windows 8, graphics and transition for ads, inrergrated store. Something as simple as the Vita OS is enough for me, all I need is a light OS that allows me to multitask and put the game on standby.

This is my shocked face.

 

[quest]

Crazy thing is some of that is likely true. Kinect, Windows 8, graphics and transition for ads, inrergrated store. Something as simple as the Vita OS is enough for me, all I need is a light OS that allows me to multitask and put the game on standby.

I love the vita OS perfect for a hand held gaming system and we damn well better get instant stand by like the vita. I still think the OS will be much bigger just to keep up with current and potential set top boxes over the next 8 years. These won't be just gaming machines but a all-in one media center. Which will include more and more complex apps and new features they will need to add to keep up. The rumors or 3 gigs are just dumb but I expect sony to use 1 gig and MS to use 2 gigs.

 

[thuway]

If you are not impressed by Watch_Dogs, Agnis Philosophy, or Star Wars 1313- you will hate next-gen.

 

[aegies]

If you are not impressed by Watch_Dogs, Agnis Philosophy, or Star Wars 1313- you will hate next-gen.

My gut tells me two out of those three are launch window.

 

[shinobi602]

My gut tells me two out of those three are launch window.

I'm inclined to agree.

 

[Sid]

My gut tells me two out of those three are launch window.

Agnis is just a tech demo.

 

[Durante]

My gut tells me two out of those three are launch window.

That's good, because 2 out of the three aren't that graphically impressive.

 

[aegies]

That's good, because 2 out of the three aren't that graphically impressive.

That is seriously crazy talk. I also expect "next-gen" versions of BioShock Infinite and Crysis 3 this fall.

 

[DieH@rd]

All three are nextgen.

SW 1313 managed to showcase true jump to nextgen visuals that can not be easily replicated even on very high end PCs. Others showcase very high end graphics, but reachable on today's PC's.

 

[shinobi602]

That's good, because 2 out of the three aren't that graphically impressive.

Good for me. They blow anything this gen out of the water.

 

[PapaJustify]

When did it ever stop?

Probably never stopped but has been more like a Cold War the last few months.

Sorry but the Console Warz of 2013 is getting ready to heat up and I honestly believe we'll have more casualties then we did with the unveiling of last gen.

Some people just want to watch the world burn

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[ii Stryker]

That is seriously crazy talk. I also expect "next-gen" versions of BioShock Infinite and Crysis 3 this fall.

So Bioshock infinite instincts and Crysis 3 instincts predator confirmed...kewl. =p

 

[phosphor112]

ITT people arguing dick length when it's all about girth.

Nah, it's about how it's used. Nintendo has the smallest length and girth, but still impresses the ladies.

 

[Violater]

I wish there were some next gen type games on PC right now.